Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

the ex-sparkie in me is troubled that particular tautology, electrocution already implies death - you orange numpt

But would he rather be a vampire or a werewolf?

I got shocked as a young ‘un and it did me no harm.

(Makes cat meowing sounds in front of co-worker)

I've had hundreds of belts. It corrected me .. a bit.

is it new news that Scott Hall has flipped in the Georgia trial?

Yeah, that's awesome. I bet he won't be the last.

Meanwhile:

Trump isn’t getting a jury trial in his $250m civil fraud suit brought against him by New York AG James because one of his lawyers overlooked submitting the routine request/checking boxes on the form, per two people familiar https://t.co/7zvUfytiEr

— Hugo Lowell (@hugolowell) October 2, 2023

http://images.generallyawesome2.com/photos/funny/photos/justin-bieber-lawyer.jpg

Lol, apparently the prosecution leads with an Eric deposition, where he refuses to take responsibility. Then DJTJ, who does the same. Then Donald, who throws Weisselberg under the bus. It's a shame this isn't on TV, because I have a hunch there are going to be lots of awesome deposition clips of Trump and his two squirming scions.

Missing a request for a jury trial is pretty much per se malpractice.

forgetting who the defendant is in this case, is a jury trial usually advantageous for the defence in a civil case?

I am not a lawyer, but in this case the judge gets to decide punishment (right?), and he's kind of tipped his hand a little by already establishing guilt. Also, there's no way to get, say, a deadlocked judge.

could swing either way I'd think--a jury sometimes hands down a huge $$ judgement that a judge probably wouldn't, but also a judge is less likely to be swayed by your bullshit if you're obviously guilty.

I am just presuming Trump would like a shot at getting some of his ppl on a jury. Judge apparently isn't one.

i guess it makes sense that the verdict of a judge would be more ... moderate?

when you are having a bench trial, best thing you can do is slag off the judge and call the AG "racist" outside the court - every little bit helps!

xpost You mean the same judge that already ordered the entire organization potentially dissolved?

Missing a request for a jury trial is pretty much per se malpractice.

If I had to vaguely guess, besides being that's the only way he thinks, some part of him/the lawyers might be hoping for a 'see if we rile them up they'll act badly in response and then we can claim they really are biased.' But this does not strike me as very sound.

i guess it makes sense that the verdict of a judge would be more ... moderate?

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, October 2, 2023 1:11 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

You mean the same judge that already ordered the entire organization potentially dissolved?

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, October 2, 2023 1:18 PM (five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

So delicious.

I appreciate this photo of someone is kinda realizing 'wait...I allowed this to happen and now I'm stuck here.'

https://themessenger.com/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcms.themessenger.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F10%2FDonald-Trump-1701883837-1024x573.jpg&w=1920&q=75

Also, no red tie?

Feelin' blue.

Missing a request for a jury trial is pretty much per se malpractice.

Does that mean a likely appeal or retrial?

Neither. It's a civil trial, not criminal, so it has no effect on the outcome (no right to effective counsel in a civil trial). But theoretically Trump might have a civil cause of action against the attorney for malpractice.

This is like when Alex Jones’ lawyers sent his phone over as discovery

xpost You mean the same judge that already ordered the entire organization potentially dissolved?

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, October 2, 2023 1:18 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

"forgetting who the defendant is in this case"

Reportedly Trump and his kids are supposed to take the stand, but I don't see that happening.

do we actually know that the lawyer forgot to do this and that they wanted a jury trial?

I'm honestly surprised Trump isn't representing himself.

maybe the lawyer did it on purpose

I heard that he definitely wouldn't have wanted a bench trial in this case, or wouldn't have been advised to get one if was getting proper legal advise, so I guess it must have been a fuckup.

Knowing you're never gonna see a dime for it can have a real impact on the quality of one's work.

Maybe they're getting paid in room service credit.

so how does the strategy work exactly, where you call the judge deranged and the case a scam?

I'm guessing it's the "I've got rubes sending me millions of dollars and a decent shot of being President again, and anyway I'll probably die in a few years so fuck it" strategy

Maybe they're getting paid in room service credit

Hamberders

One hundredth of a Trump NFT per billing hour

“This is a judge that should be disbarred. This is a judge that should be out of office. This is a judge that some people say could be charged criminally for what he’s doing. He’s interfering with an election and it’s a disgrace.”

— Donald Trump, upon leaving his civil fraud trial in New York City.

This is Mike Judge
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTCf8sjG9BnhLPUca0ICaRbgzcho0Pl6rEg8ztE51L52VeIa9zg

This is Judge Reinhold
https://www.themoviedb.org/t/p/w500/oPdJz2hSIkrj1wvOpupGoIej6IO.jpg

so I guess contempt of court isn't a thing anymore?

his rants about the judge devaluing his properties are irrelevant, the figure isn't a selling price it's what the tax appraisers decide it's value is for their purposes. I don't know fuck all about law but I know a pointless, completely null defense argument when I see one.

Applause to JiC

the figures they used were absurd but there are a lot of reasons for a gulf between taxable value and likely sale value of a property

most of which, if not nebulous and legally questionable, would mean a swift increase at reassessment

he's basically being marcel duchamp and saying, no, since I signed this urinal it's now a work of art and not the same as a toilet you buy from the supplier

do we actually know that the lawyer forgot to do this and that they wanted a jury trial?

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, October 2, 2023 1:34 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

in the article it said that youre supposed to submit a form saying whether you want a jury trial or not and they did not submit the form, however the prosecution did submit the form and asked for a bench trial, so yea seems like a oopsie

he's basically being marcel duchamp and saying, no, since I signed this urinal it's now a work of art and not the same as a toilet you buy from the supplier

Yeah, but it doesn't work retroactively. His argument was, iirc, even if it wasn't worth a lot *then* it is *now*, but whatever value was added came *after* it was overvalued. And then there's flat-out fuckery like saying Trump Tower had three times as much space as was assessed. I believe there was some reporting that as soon as the overestimation of square footage came out, Trump Inc. stopped lying about it.

always a good strategy at a bench trial - insulting the presiding judge lol

Throughout the day, defense attorneys also took aim at the judge, making testy assertions such as “I don’t think you’re an expert on accounting standards” and “you owe it to the defendants to listen to this evidence.”

but you see, I signed next to the statement that the square footage magically tripled so I made it so

do we actually know that the lawyer forgot to do this and that they wanted a jury trial?

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, October 2, 2023 1:34 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

in the article it said that youre supposed to submit a form saying whether you want a jury trial or not and they did not submit the form, however the prosecution did submit the form and asked for a bench trial, so yea seems like a oopsie

lol... I've heard it's not even a dedicated form - It's literally a "jury trial" box that wasn't checked on another form!

A dozen innocent people plus alternates have been spared by this witless gaff

EXCLUSIVE: Arizona prosecutors are probing Trumpworld efforts to reverse the results of the 2020 presidential election — years into Joe Biden’s presidencyhttps://t.co/v8en5nUO8b

— Rolling Stone (@RollingStone) October 3, 2023