The John Zorn album Six Litanies for Heliogabalus has one of the single most upsetting pieces of vocal music I've ever heard on it (Mike Patton literally sounds like he's gagging and choking to death).
― read-only (unperson), Saturday, 16 September 2023 19:04 (eight months ago) link
The John Zorn albumšø _Six Litanies for Heliogabalus_ has one of the single most upsetting pieces of vocal music I've ever heard on it (Mike Patton literally sounds like he's gagging and choking to death).
― deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 16 September 2023 19:20 (eight months ago) link
The John Zorn album Six Litanies for Heliogabalus has one of the single most upsetting pieces of vocal music I've ever heard on it (Mike Patton literally sounds like he's gagging and choking to death).ā read-only (unperson)
ā read-only (unperson)
that's the intent, right? the rose petals on the cover are, i assume, a reference to the story of elagabalus having a party and smothering the guests in rose petals (it's the thumbnail of the video above).
anyway. clearly elagabalus means a lot of things to a lot of people, and one of them is "dude this emperor was totally extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeme". which by all accounts they were!
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 17 September 2023 00:13 (eight months ago) link
I never think about Romea number of my european-descended peers in this part of the americas have very nebulous ties to an ancestry thatās many generations removed and the homogenization of culture means the closest many get to ethnic historical roots is in rediscoverywhen people from that milieu get really into rome it tends to mean something different compared to people who could be digging around in their garden and discover some roman tiles. not always in either case, but often
― É„ÉÆ ļøµ (Ā°ā”Ā°) (mh), Sunday, 17 September 2023 15:51 (eight months ago) link
that mary beard lecture has been a very enjoyable watch this afternoon
― ź® (map), Sunday, 17 September 2023 22:41 (eight months ago) link
It has been entertaining to me how many people have been like "Well, actually ..."
I almost never think of Rome but maybe I should. I will say that visiting Rome had a lot more impact than I expected.
My main rhetorical use of Rome is reminding Christian nationalist types that there is no Senate in the Bible but there was one in Rome, and our governmental/philosophical roots are classical and Renaissance as well as Anglo-Saxon/Christian.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 18 September 2023 02:28 (eight months ago) link
How widespread is this mindset the Dilbert guy attributes to men?
Women donāt understand that the civil war already started. Men live in a continuous state of violence. We size up every threat and have a tentative plan to kill it first. We live that war and it never stops. The battle to defend Texas and the homeland is already in fullā¦— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) January 25, 2024
― Alba, Friday, 26 January 2024 07:27 (four months ago) link
idk how many incels and fash are there?
― wang mang band (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 January 2024 07:33 (four months ago) link
Is there non-Twitter evidence that men and women react differently to threats ? In a fundamental way ? For example if someone physically assaults you, you're likely to fall in either of three broad categories (fight off, fold over, run away). If you're insulted, I assume the internal emotional experience is similar. Etc. Then obviously we have different resources that may or may not align with sex (confidence, strength, education), the threats will be different, the circumstances, the type and level of violence etc. But the way we react ?
― Nabozo, Friday, 26 January 2024 08:29 (four months ago) link
Anybody trying to evidence "innate" difference is already barking up the worst possible tree
― wang mang band (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 January 2024 08:43 (four months ago) link
Women donāt understand that the civil war already started. Men live in a continuous state of violence. We size up every threat and have a tentative plan to kill it first. We live that war and it never stops.
Men live in a continuous state of violence. We size up every threat and have a tentative plan to kill it first. We live that war and it never stops.
it's funny how much this sounds like dialogue that an intentionally ridiculous character in a 90s Dilbert strip would say, seems like a lot of comedians/humourists are people aware of their own absurdity to some extent, but also unable to transcend or accept it
― soref, Friday, 26 January 2024 09:00 (four months ago) link
one can only speak to ones own very narrow experience but in mine what women don't understand is that there is a right way and a wrong way to fill a dishwasher and when i say women i mean i have one specific one in mind really
will it lead to civil war? am i walking around thinking up plans to kill over it? hm
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 26 January 2024 10:15 (four months ago) link
iirc there was a study done where the "wrong" way got the dishes cleaner because they hadn't been packed in together like the result of some kind of maniacal mensa tetris experiment
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 26 January 2024 10:47 (four months ago) link
Rolling dilbert and dogbert thread
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 26 January 2024 11:04 (four months ago) link
xxp didnāt realise you married my mother good LordI wash my dishes by hand and they are spotless
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 26 January 2024 11:07 (four months ago) link
im sure your mother is a fine lady but im not going back to manual shift
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 26 January 2024 11:11 (four months ago) link
how else would you shift bro
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 26 January 2024 11:14 (four months ago) link
If anyone is vigilant about violence 24/7 itās more likely to be women, not men. We are very very aware of potential threats of violence. Nabozo, you left off the fawning response - trying to placate a potential threat. Women smile, laugh, nod their head in agreement, because men we donāt know are unpredictable. A man says something creepy or weird and weād love to tell him to go fuck himself but what if he responds violently?
― just1n3, Friday, 26 January 2024 12:18 (four months ago) link
only time I've used a dishwasher was when I was a kitchen porter. You still had to hand wash them after a cycle, but it had a point in an industrial kitchen catering to hundred people some nights. In a household I just don't see the point of them.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 26 January 2024 12:23 (four months ago) link
I used to be that way with violent thoughts; thinking "what do I do if someone comes at me? What do I do if someone tries to hurt my girl?" For me, I think it comes from watching way too many violent movies as a kid, where the response to a situation is almost always violence. I'm sure dude hormones play well with that? I don't know. There's also the social thing of how a tough guy is supposed to act.
As I've gotten older and recognized it I've moved past it for the most part. But it's different than being vigilant about violence; it's more like looking for an excuse to be violent.
I thought dishwashers were stupid until we had a kid and we started cooking more and the scale of the dishes changed drastically. I've had to periodically go back to doing them by hand when the washer is having problems and it takes forever, I will never go back.
― Cow_Art, Friday, 26 January 2024 12:33 (four months ago) link
i find handwashing to be an ideal headspace in which to meditate on which threat to eliminate next
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 26 January 2024 12:35 (four months ago) link
How widespread is this mindset the Dilbert guy attributes to men?š¦[Women donāt understand that the civil war already started. Men live in a continuous state of violence. We size up every threat and have a tentative plan to kill it first. We live that war and it never stops. The battle to defend Texas and the homeland is already in fullā¦ā Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) January 25, 2024šø]š¦
― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Friday, 26 January 2024 12:42 (four months ago) link
I eliminate the washing up, it's a better feeling than having violent homicidal thoughts when the job is done. Could probably turn that into a tea towel slogan with some work.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 26 January 2024 12:46 (four months ago) link
a good steeping regime is what is needed, let the hot soapy water do the work for you.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 26 January 2024 12:48 (four months ago) link
here come the hotsteeper
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 26 January 2024 12:49 (four months ago) link
murderer!
*eliminates threat*
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 26 January 2024 12:51 (four months ago) link
if I'm making some bechamel sauce I have a bottle of hot soapy water ready to pour straight into the pot after it is poured out, being a hotsteeper means always getting ahead of stuff that is going to cake up and be an absolute shit to wash off.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 26 January 2024 12:55 (four months ago) link
reading dilbert dude as an esoteric radfem laying out their case for male abolition. if men are anything like their supporters say they are they're just monsters who we'd best be rid of
― Left, Friday, 26 January 2024 13:05 (four months ago) link
In a household I just don't see the point of them.
ā vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, January 26, 2024 7:23 AM (forty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
The point is that washing dishes is the worst household chore and dishwashers are pure magic. Couldn't be without that or a dryer tbh.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 26 January 2024 13:06 (four months ago) link
I don't have a dryer either, and that is a problem in the winter. I find housecleaning, mopping the floor, vaccing up dog hairs - that's the stuff that grinds me down.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 26 January 2024 13:10 (four months ago) link
because I have an autistic in the house who annihilates the bathroom I have to clean the toilet at least twice a day. If there was a toilet cleaning droid on the market.... fuck yeah!
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 26 January 2024 13:13 (four months ago) link
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 26 January 2024 13:18 (four months ago) link
it's about time dudes abjured the vacuum cleaner and returned to beating their rugs in the yard
― fetter, Friday, 26 January 2024 13:23 (four months ago) link
if men are anything like their supporters say they are they're just monsters who we'd best be rid of
Men Are Not Cost-Effective : Male Crime in America (1991)
(Disclaimer: I have not read this; I don't know if it is any good or if the title claim has been challenged.)
If there was a toilet cleaning droid on the market.... fuck yeah!
I vaguely remember proposals for public restrooms that supposedly clean themselves after each use. Could this technology be adapted for residential bathrooms?
Try pitching this as the new Crossfit?
― Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Friday, 26 January 2024 13:26 (four months ago) link
ā fetter
you can get arrested for this
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 January 2024 13:28 (four months ago) link
Many xps but I am a man who has lived 53 years in seven cities. The only time I've encountered even potential violence was in an elementary school in 1980something, when somebody decided it was very important to be shoved into lockers (and, once, a trashcan).
The open-carry tactical-gear camo weirdos who think their trip to Dunkin Donuts might suddenly become a bloodbath are very, very, very broken.
― Wine not? (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 26 January 2024 13:31 (four months ago) link
Thereās been a lot written about that point from The Gift of Fear to Schroedingerās rapist etc. I find these writings useful to illuminate the thinking behind female behaviour in public, but neither really address the main problem with male-on-female violence: you are far more likely to be assaulted by someone you know, most likely a family member or a partner. I know numerous people, including me, who have experienced violence from loved ones.The question then, to treat that crackhead tweet with semi-seriousness, is how women should respond. Sure we are vigilant about strange men who might be violent in public if we donāt respond correctly, but how to go through life when 1 in 3 of us will experience violence from a partner? Which isnāt to say stalkers or stranger violence donāt matter, but itās the tip of the iceberg ito lived experience.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 26 January 2024 13:33 (four months ago) link
xp to j.luās first point
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 26 January 2024 13:34 (four months ago) link
Yeah the incel talking point that women sail through life with no responsibilities, while men are engaged in battles for survival, is just that: an incel talking point. And gets it exactly backwards. As one would expect from people who live in a parallel world of their own creation.
― Wine not? (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 26 January 2024 13:40 (four months ago) link
is how far along the molyneux trajectory is adams now?
I'm glad these men don't seem to be enjoying themselves much - they've made their own hell - but I wish they'd just go their own way already instead of trying to bring everyone else down with them. why don't they start a fight club or something
― Left, Friday, 26 January 2024 13:45 (four months ago) link
Certainly my behaviour has been conditioned through my entire life by both external and internal forces.Donāt tell the taxi driver exactly where you live.Carry your keys in your hand.Make sure someone knows where you are if youāre going home by yourself.Check in with people regularly.Text your friend when she gets home to make sure she got in ok.If someone is following you or menacing you on public transport, get off and wait for the next one.And some specific to just me:Keep proof of everything.Are you sure? Are you really really sure? No really, are you sure?Qualify your statements so thereās nothing objectionable. - obviously I have long ago decided I donāt feel like doing this anymore.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 26 January 2024 13:46 (four months ago) link
Is there non-Twitter evidence that men and women react differently to threats ? In a fundamental way ? For example if someone physically assaults you, you're likely to fall in either of three broad categories (fight off, fold over, run away). If you're insulted, I assume the internal emotional experience is similar. Etc. Then obviously we have different resources that may or may not align with sex (confidence, strength, education), the threats will be different, the circumstances, the type and level of violence etc. But the way we react ?ā Nabozo
ā Nabozo
I mean not _biologically_, there's no fucking biological difference. Gender isn't binary, it's not "men are like this and women are like this". People face perceived threats and based on what resources we have available to us, that determines how we respond to perceived threats. Hell, maybe there is... I hate to bring this up, but I do think "male socialization" does affect how I respond to perceived threats. Like, for the past five years I've been pretty continuously getting the message cis women (any AFABs, really) get all their lives, that they're inferior to men, that men are smarter than them, more competent than them, _know_ more than them, that women need to shut up and know their place or they're a bitch. It's not true, but tell somebody that enough and it has an effect. Not three times, or thirty, but just... always and forever. Justine is completely on the mark here:
If anyone is vigilant about violence 24/7 itās more likely to be women, not men. We are very very aware of potential threats of violence. Nabozo, you left off the fawning response - trying to placate a potential threat. Women smile, laugh, nod their head in agreement, because men we donāt know are unpredictable. A man says something creepy or weird and weād love to tell him to go fuck himself but what if he responds violently?ā just1n3
ā just1n3
I actually agree with a lot of what Scott Adams says here, just from a slightly different perspective. When I look at Scott Adams, I see someone who legitimately believes that I am a threat to his existence. That I want to eradicate him and everyone like him. It's kind of an old story. The "Clash of Civilizations" theory. People who subscribe to that theory, you know... people don't tend to think of themselves as the aggressors. It's just _pre-emptive self-defense_.
Does Adams himself live in a continual state of violence? Is he continually hypervigilant against threats real and perceived? Yes. I also get the impression that he isn't necessarily great on the fact-checking part of it. And the thing is, because of, like, systemic power imbalance, he doesn't _have_ to be. Cis white men don't have to be. If they make mistakes, if they get it wrong, if they perceive women as a threat when we aren't, we're the ones who suffer. That's where the "fawning" comes in. If men hurt us, we're the ones who are held responsible, we're the ones who are blamed.
When Scott Adams says this:
We size up every threat and have a tentative plan to kill it first.
I mean, that's literal actual genocide, is what that is. To me, he makes that pretty clear:
The battle to defend Texas and the homeland is already in fullā¦
Like I said, I do agree with Scott Adams that... like, I personally do live in a state of war. What Adams and people who agree with him are doing, to my mind, that falls under the umbrella of "pre-emptive self-defense". We're a threat to Texas, to the homeland, and the only way to keep Texas and the homeland is to kill us first. Where I disagree with Adams is in his statement that the plan is "tentative". Every week more trans refugees arrive here in Portland from Texas. A lot of the people I know are people in Texas or Florida or Indiana who are trying to find some way out while they still can.
It's not just about trans people, of course. We're just one of the more visible targets right now. I believe just1n3 is just as much a target as I am. It could be any woman everywhere. It's pretty obvious, honestly, to a lot of women, and what surprises me is how much men don't see it. But also not really? Because I didn't see it, before I transitioned. So I don't think it's necessarily a man thing, because I didn't see it, and I wasn't ever really a man.
I don't think that's necessarily a _man_ thing, what Scott Adams says, but I do think a lot of people genuinely believe what he says, and those are the people who are trying to kill us. I would urge anybody reading this thread to take what Scott Adams says very seriously. I don't see those words as being silly or ridiculous or empty. Those words are being put into practice right now by people with the power to do so.
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 26 January 2024 14:30 (four months ago) link
why don't they start a fight club or somethingā Left
ā Left
IDK, fight club is pretty gay.
I'm not being sarcastic on that. Chuck Palahniuk's homosexuality very much informs Fight Club.
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 26 January 2024 14:32 (four months ago) link
OK, I know I'm being very talky here, blame "male socialization" lol, but re: gyac's post... again, to me the difference for me isn't between "male" and "female" but my life pre-transition and post-transition. I'm just genuinely shocked sometimes at how ignorant I was about women's lived experiences. The sorts of precautions women typically take, I absolutely take them _now_. Pre-transition? I wasn't even aware of them. I didn't notice all of the little things women do to keep ourselves safe. Partly that's on purpose, I guess, because if men notice we're doing that kind of stuff, they get defensive and uncomfortable and like #notallmen, and if a man is uncomfortable, we're the ones responsible for that.
There's this difference between perceived fear, perceived threat, and actual threat. I had a lot of anxieties and worries and fear pre-transition and they were mostly, like, not reality-based. (The ones about being trans tended to be the more reality-based anxieties.) You ever look up the lifetime likelihood a trans woman will be sexually assaulted? OK, now take that and factor into that the extent to which sexual assault is underreported. SA went from being something I literally did not think about or worry about at all, like I would absolutely walk down a dark alley at night alone, to something I look at from a standpoint of, well, this is something I want to happen to me as _seldom_ as possible.
The fucked thing is, it's _not_ just something that happens to women. The fucked thing is, men often _genuinely don't know what abuse looks like_. It's not a man thing, not even an AMAB thing, but my gut is that it disproportionately affects AMABs. I've literally had to explain to other trans women that the reason they feel bad is because they were sexually assaulted. At the same time, I'm still really resistent to the idea that I, personally, was sexually assaulted. It's absolutely a double standard. Anybody else told me about the experience I had, I'd tell them unambiguously that they'd been sexually assaulted, but it just... I have this idea in my head of what sexual assault is supposed to _feel_ like, and it doesn't feel like that. And what does it matter, anyway? When women get sexually assaulted, everyone says it's our fault. Why be a victim if you can choose to say you're not, no matter what actually happened?
Now, the people I know are trans women and not men, but I don't believe for a second that this doesn't happen to cis men. I think cis men just are in less of a position to recognize and acknowledge abuse and assault when it happens. I'd say that this is a way in which patriarchy hurts men, like we all keep saying. There are a lot of people, _particularly_ men, who suffer from abuse and are unable or unwilling to recognize that, in ways that put them at risk of perpetuating the cycle of abuse.
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 26 January 2024 15:03 (four months ago) link
trying to placate a potential threat. Women smile, laugh, nod their head in agreement, because men we donāt know are unpredictable. A man says something creepy or weird and weād love to tell him to go fuck himself but what if he responds violently?
Donāt tell the taxi driver exactly where you live.Carry your keys in your hand.Make sure someone knows where you are if youāre going home by yourself.Check in with people regularly.Text your friend when she gets home to make sure she got in ok.If someone is following you or menacing you on public transport, get off and wait for the next one.And some specific to just me:Keep proof of everything.Are you sure? Are you really really sure? No really, are you sure?Qualify your statements so thereās nothing objectionable.
And some specific to just me:
Keep proof of everything.Are you sure? Are you really really sure? No really, are you sure?Qualify your statements so thereās nothing objectionable.
wow i relate to this so muchi'm a biological male but this is 100% how i think and act.
― Deflatormouse, Friday, 26 January 2024 18:48 (four months ago) link
itās just like, another dude who isnāt interested in learning anything and thinks he already knows all the answers, great, awesome
― brimstead, Friday, 26 January 2024 18:54 (four months ago) link
ā vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, January 26, 2024 6:55 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
cal passed the bechamel test
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 January 2024 19:04 (four months ago) link
When Scott Adams says incredibly stupid things that demonstrate his complete social ineptitude with a dose of misbegotten machismo he is hardly worth refuting. He has been wandering in a world of delusions for more than a decade now and his cartoon strip has been widely dropped by the dwindling remnant of the major daily newspapers. Even Ben Garrison's cartoons are funnier than Dilbert these days.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 26 January 2024 19:06 (four months ago) link
Even Ben Garrison's cartoons are funnier than Dilbert these days.
Ow, draw back a nub.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 26 January 2024 19:39 (four months ago) link
Fuck you Scott Adams.
My best friend still sends me the address she's at when she goes places with people she doesn't know (i.e. apartment/house rental hunting), in case she goes silent so I can know her last location and call the cops.
Gee Dilbert I wonder why she feels like she has to do that. Maybe I'll text her and let her know only men are really impacted and governed by violence
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2024 20:44 (four months ago) link