The Mike Leigh Poll

It's brilliant, though.

Thewlis' performance...

Somewhere up there with Brando in Streetcar, it's that good. No, I'm serious!

leigh is a miserable old bastard, no doubt but i would have to say Naked is amazing. Happy Go Lucky is really worth a watch too, almost 'feelgood' dare i say it. he's gotten some incredible performances from some actors/actresses.....jane horrocks in 'life is sweet'.

Have to say Secrets & Lies, though I'm not quite sure why.

It doesn't seem to be available on DVD, wonder why.

Naked

It doesn't seem to be available on DVD, wonder why.

I just watched it tonight.

i've seen the run from high hopes through topsy-turvy, i think naked had the biggest impact on me, but all of them are worthwhile except for career girls

Seen Meantime and then High Hopes on. Lots of good stuff here, but I think I'd need to re-watch some of these to confirm any sort of order (Life is Sweet I've not seen since it came for example--but I recall really liking it then.) Instinct says it's probably between Topsy-Turvy and Naked (which really couldn't be more different, could they?)

Secrets & Lies without question.

I can't think of a performance in recent memory that could so easily have been as awful as Brenda Blethyn's in Secrets & Lies.

I think the same could be said of Thewlis' role in Naked.

Leigh has lots of a good stuff (and a very consistent basic level of quality)
it's between Naked and the crazy-funny Life is Sweet for me. gonna vote for the latter, Naked will win anyway :)
High Hopes is one of his most depressing. Secrets & Lies has a couple of amazing magical moments.

"I can't think of a performance in recent memory that could so easily have been as awful as Brenda Blethyn's in Secrets & Lies."

Awfully realistic. I've met that woman.

One more reason to hate the iMdB! It made my favorite of his TV films, the hysterically funny Home Sweet Home, invisible to Alfred... because it's an "episode" (95 mins.) of an anthology series!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084082/

Anyway, Naked of course. Followed by HSH and Topsy-Turvy.

I got it from Wikipedia!

Naked was made for you, Morbs. What's HSH?

Voted Meantime, just ahead of Nuts in May. Much underated - in a perfect world it'd be quoted as much as Withnail & I ('have we got ants?', 'and one for Ron - later 'on' etc etc).

And, proof that for all his faults Leigh has an eye for the coming actor - Gary Oldman, Phil Daniels and Tim Roth all in their first big roles...

HSH = Home Sweet Home. Tim Spall plays a stupendously dense mailman. obv Wiki took it from iMdb.

yes, Johnny wd've been SB'd.

xxp uh pretty sure Phil Daniels had big roles prior to 1983 or 1981 (whichever Meantime actually came out in.)

I'm voting for the excruciating Grown-Ups though the first two are iconic bits of British TV. Blethyn is awful (almost but not quite)beyond belief in this (compliment).

Oh, and you're missing Bleak Moments too - his first feature from 1971 and with much richer photography than his later BBC productions. Apt title, mind. Filmed round where I live in SE London.

yes, Wiki sucks.

Happy-Go-Lucky was one of the most daring, moving films I've seen in ages, and it has an incredible lead performance by Sally Hawkins, so I gotta got for that. I'm probably exactly the kind of viewer it was targeted for, though, because the whole movie is a big anti-cynicist manifesto, and I'm a big anti-cynic.

I voted Nuts in May because it's funny as fuck and I never get tired of doing Candice Marie impressions and because it's the single best thing Leigh ever did so BOOM.

I do love

Oops. I do love Naked and it's probably his "best" film but Topsy-Turvy is just so much fun, so i voted for that.

You've also missed Hard Labour, another early 70s piece of Play for Today grimness. It was shown on BBC4 recently as past of a Liz Smith night.

Happy-Go-Lucky was one of the most daring, moving films I've seen in ages, and it has an incredible lead performance by Sally Hawkins, so I gotta got for that. I'm probably exactly the kind of viewer it was targeted for, though, because the whole movie is a big anti-cynicist manifesto, and I'm a big anti-cynic.

I wonder about this...There is a reading of this film that Sally Hawkins's 'happy go luckyness' is just as manic in its own way as David Thewlis in Naked. So in a sense it's a mirror image of Naked - the flip manic side to Naked's depressive side.

I am cynical about its alleged anti-cynicism manifesto - and don't think you should necessarily take what Mike Leigh says at face value. But then I'm a big cynic.

On another Mike Leigh thread, I'm still waiting for more views on this film - not enough people commented on it.

I posted a few herehere.

i vote for nuts in may! finally just saw it last month and i loved it. omg, the scene where they make that poor guy sing along to their song...words fail me.

Just thought of two more that are missing: Four Days In July (set in the Falls Road area of Belfast) and The Permissive Society. Neither of which were likely to garner any votes anyway.

re-poll

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/bobbysixer/cheerupmate.jpg

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Super hard to choose. Voted Life Is Sweet for partly sentimental reasons (it was my first Mike Leigh).

Also, RIP Katrin Cartlidge ;_;

Lots of good choices here, but I can think of few theatrical experiences equal to the first time I saw "Topsy-Turvy." Utterly enthralled.

little-known fact: I own a Career Girls t shirt

Soft spot for Abigail's Party. Would love to see it again... is there a quality difference between the us or uk dvd?

Haven't seen the last two yet for some reason.

"Life is Sweet" is the King of Mike Leigh movies. Next I would go for "Naked" and then for "Career Girls" as a distant third.
The only one that doesn't really fit into his works for me is Topsy-Turvy. It's sort of like his "Gosford Park," for me--the exception that proves the work.

Abigail's Party

everyone, just say what you think

Life is Sweet was the first Mike Leigh movie I saw, and I have more affection for it than his other movies even though some of them are technically "better" for one reason or another.

Don't know much Leigh but for me, 'Topsy Turvy' just beats out 'Naked', as fond as I am of that film.

Err... Nut in May I guess. Don't like this guy's output tbh. Naked is such a stupid, stupid film.

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yay bitter nihilist antihero!

topsy turvy is amazing. missed this poll.

Tsk emos.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x55y5q_nuts-in-may-part-1-of-5_shortfilms

I wonder about this...There is a reading of this film that Sally Hawkins's 'happy go luckyness' is just as manic in its own way as David Thewlis in Naked. So in a sense it's a mirror image of Naked - the flip manic side to Naked's depressive side.

Well yeah, it's pretty clear Hawkins's character isn't quite normal, a point which is brought up by the driving instructor (even though he's pretty fucked up himself). But I thought Leigh's point was, that despite her (often manic) perkyness and optimism she can still manage in the world, and she doesn't need to be "brought down" (which is something a cynical viewer would expect to happen). Even if she's not quite normal, her quirks are mostly benevolent, and there's no reason to think something is "wrong" with her.

Finally saw 'Happy-Go-Lucky'. Amazing performances. Still trying to figure out what I thought of it.

I think it's more nuanced than some of the critics have made it to be; certainly the scenes between Poppy and the taxi driver (especially the last one) make it into something more complex than just a optimist manifesto. But I think it still is anti-cynical in the way it suggests Poppy (no matter how manic or mental she is) and her views have no less validity in the world than any other viewpoints, even if her is not quite as popular as some of the more cynical alternatives.

Be sure to report back when you've figured it out.

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Topsy Turvy was playing on Criterion 247. First time I've seen it since 2000. I forgot how good it is on a scene by scene basis. I need to rewatch some other favorites as it was my best movie experience in months.

haven't seen Career Girls since it was in theaters, still sticks out in my mind as the one real misfire in his filmography( i haven't seen them all) but might be worth a ~rescreen. i adore Katrin Cartlidge so the fail seems even more out of character, maybe i missed something first time around?

i've seen the run from high hopes through topsy-turvy, i think naked had the biggest impact on me, but all of them are worthwhile except for career girls

one of my favorite things about my 20+ year history on this board is i very often will dip into a long running thread to drop a random thought and then i'll scroll back and see me saying a very similar but completely forgotten take 15 years ago.

Career Girls is one of my favourites, think it was the first Mike Leigh film I saw and it has really stuck with me. I can appreciate that it's more cartoonish than his other films but it really captures something about student life in 80s London and how the adult world flattens out your emotions.

yeah i can see if you were in that moment that it depicts it hits harder, to me it just seemed like he worked up a lot of the scenarios with the 2 main actresses and at the end it just wasn't that compelling but i will take another look

I haven't seen CG since I saw it in the theatre the summer it came out but I really liked it. Of course that could be because of the Cure soundtrack but I remember it fondly.

Wonder what it'd be like watching Career Girls and The Souvenir back to back.

Topsy-Turvy felt so very not 1999 when it came out that its warm reception felt a little counterintuitive to the overwhelming "1999: the year that changed movies" hype out there at the time. Glad to see time has more than vindicated it (and Eyes Wide Shut, to cite another example).

Speak for yerself.

At the time of their release, I loved Career Girls and struggled to connect with Topsy Turvy, but I think the period setting of the latter may have been a barrier for college-aged me. The fact that I adored Mr. Turner 15 years later has made me want to revisit TT.

I wish more people had watched Peterloo. If it's his last film, what a bow.

I keep putting it off. Need to rectify that.

xp he's already finished another (though a few years ago he admitted he was having a lot of difficulty finding funding for another project):

https://variety.com/2024/film/global/mike-leigh-hard-truths-marianne-jean-baptiste-first-look-1235910527/

Just saw Nuts in May on Criterion or somewhere, and really enjoyed it... you could see he was already on his path

Mr. Turner has been added to the canon since the poll, what say ye?

Y'all should listen to this This Had Oscar Buzz episode on PETERLOO, a movie I was 100% correct about in 2019:

https://fightinginthewarroom.com/THOB/2024/08/19/305-peterloo-with-fran-hoepfner/

one of his best imo

I thought it was riveting. His period movies are all great imo, but Peterloo has added heft.

I was thinking of starting a thread for misleading trailers but I've got a feeling this is not a genuine trailer and is some kind of spoof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llcgzs1jNOM

I'd never seen Meantime before but it was on Talking Pictures, of all channels, on Saturday (straight after Budgie, which seemed appropriate). Tim Roth's entire career has basically been all downhill since and Phil Daniels is absolutely incredible in this film.

A career with The Hit, Vincent & Theo, Reservoir Dogs, Rob Roy, and Bergman Island?

Roth was also ok in Altman's Van Gogh movie, but definitely the most mediocre actor of that generation.

When young people see the dole office scenes in Meantime and Boys From Black Stuff, where the characters are giving backchat and hurling wisecracks + insults at the dhss staff it will seem like another world. Especially now as you can get sanctioned for being a few minutes late for a job centre interview.

sorry, you did mention the Altman one.

unfortunately you also mentioned Reservoir Dogs!

(xxp) OTM tbf though everyone was on the dole in the 80s if they'd sanctioned everyone the whole thing would have ground to halt.

Anyone seen Hard Truths yet?

seeing it on Thursday!

RIP Dick Pope, his cinematographer on every film from Life Is Sweet to Hard Truths

https://variety.com/2024/film/obituaries-people-news/dick-pope-dead-mike-leigh-mr-turner-1236186620/

I saw a production of Abigail’s Party a couple of weeks ago - it was great!

Hard Truths apparently fantastic according to work colleague who saw a preview

Jonathan Rosenbaum sitting a few rows in front of me at this screening (starts in 15 min)

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Last time I crossed paths with him he was introducing an obscure Rivette short.

Also always find it interesting that his family owned a movie theater the premises of which were instrumental in the formation of the Muscle Shoals Sound.

It's good. A dynamite performance from Marianne Jean Baptiste, but Michele Austin as her sister is just as strong. Feel like it loses some steam toward the end after a climactic emotional scene, but I was happy with it overall.

Reunion!

I love how they just snaffle away about twice as much as everyone else does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1RJNZak2Dw

A Sense Of History (short film) is really funny, Broadbent written it and it's nearly a solo performance.

Oh, nice. Didn't know about that and it's on archive.org

I watched about half of Topsy-Turvy for the first time in years. Enchanting as ever,

A household favorite here, we rewatch it now and again. I think it's brilliant, and I love so many of the characters. Just great performances, great filmmaking.

It's one of my very favorite Leigh films too, maybe even my favorite. I only know one person who hates it, and it's for a whole list of inaccuracies...that this person got completely wrong. Especially bizarre because he was a theater major (even though he never actually made it in theater).

Liked Happy Go Lucky a lot but was kind of shocked by how old it looks, feels like a bygone era, which 2008 is but much moreso than I expected.

Kinda curious what made it look old to you?
(I rewatched it recently and can't think of anything that looked off about it. But maybe I'm less observant of such things...)

Hard to say exactly but it hit me as looking several years older than it is