Anyway it's 2001
I haven't seen the first two but Kubrick goes 11 for 11 on the backend fuiud
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 18:26 (nine months ago) link
Pretty great that ol' Kubey is partially responsible for one of the most consequential songs in rap history
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 18:27 (nine months ago) link
Yes-tier
2001: A Space Odyssey - perfect movie in every wayThe Killing - amazing genre movie
No-tier
Dr. Strangelove - I don’t appreciate Sellers in thisA Clockwork Orange - not transgressive enoughThe Shining - don’t like the King storyBarry Lyndon - don’t like Ryan O’NealLolita - missed opportunityFull Metal Jacket - first half outshines the secondEyes Wide Shut - I like Tom Cruise but he’s miscast
Haven't seen
Fear and Desire Killer's KissThe Spy Who Loved MePaths of GlorySpartacus
― Snoopy is a cat, who lives in a cage (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 18:32 (nine months ago) link
It is strange to me that A Clockwork Orange is considered a classic while Myra Breckinridge is considered a dud. I watched both under circumstances of “not knowing their reputation” (that Orange was a classic, that Myra was considered “the worst”) and was ambivalent to the former and adored the latter
― Snoopy is a cat, who lives in a cage (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 18:36 (nine months ago) link
Myra Breckenridge is very clearly a better movie than A Clockwork Orange, yes
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 18:47 (nine months ago) link
Glad we agree!
― Snoopy is a cat, who lives in a cage (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 18:56 (nine months ago) link
"don’t like Ryan O’Neal"
I'm not fond of him either, he's the worst in this movie in the young naive period of the character and loads of the other actors in this totally eclipse him, although his performance get's better towards the end when he's in the hollowed out, morally bankrupt period death period of the character.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 19:17 (nine months ago) link
The point of casting O’Neal is that he is a complete simp who falls backwards into a position of wealth and influence despite a total lack of merit or character. He then fails to use the opportunity for anything other than self gratification and pisses it away. The film clearly regards him as a chimp in a stately home, surrounded by the highest culture and oblivious to any of it. “The failure of culture to civilise” is close to the top of the thematic list for any Kubrick film.
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 21:19 (nine months ago) link
i. e. you are supposed to hate O’Neal in the same way that the film sneers at him.
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 21:20 (nine months ago) link
I guess it’s weird how often K’s films actively loathe their protagonists, presumably another source of the “cold” reputation since we’re not used to that mode.
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 21:23 (nine months ago) link
O'Neal is perfectly cast wtf
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 21:23 (nine months ago) link
^^You have to actually see the movie to realize that.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 22:24 (nine months ago) link
Why would you want to do that?
― The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 22:35 (nine months ago) link
you are supposed to hate O’Neal in the same way that the film sneers at him
Fair, that’s the same defense I use re Anna Paquin in Margaret
― Snoopy is a cat, who lives in a cage (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 22:50 (nine months ago) link
the film does not sneer at O'Neal. Kubrick did not consider Barry Lyndon a comedy.
Nonetheless my friend, it is, however unintentionally, very funny.
― Pierre Delecto, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 23:14 (nine months ago) link
Just speculation, but I'm guessing O'Neal was intimidated working with Kubrick, a bit unsure of himself as an actor (his big success to that point was still Love Story), and that that added to his performance. Barry knows he's essentially a fraud.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 23:39 (nine months ago) link
didn't think of that, but it seems right to me
― Dan S, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 23:43 (nine months ago) link
xxp thanks for sharing your wisdom, but I didn’t say it was a comedy, the film is a vicious satire. Which sneers at its protagonist in the process; Hordern’s voiceover is positively mocking at times. It’s very pretty though, in a way which also mocks the artforms of the time.
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 31 August 2023 05:00 (nine months ago) link
interesting comparison. idk the narrator dunks on barry a few times and he is repeatedly shown to be a fool & in over his head but imho both films clearly have deep sympathy for their main characters? its weird to me that movies like Lyndon or Margaret show their main characters as flawed humans making poor choices, being shortsighted, selfish, sometimes cowardly, etc, and people take that as evidence that the filmmaker is inviting us to loathe & laugh at them.
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Thursday, 31 August 2023 12:29 (nine months ago) link
Ditto Elizabeth Berkeley in Showgirls
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Thursday, 31 August 2023 13:39 (nine months ago) link
Barry Lyndon is classified as a "classic adventure movie" on Kanopy--reminding me that Kubrick's original choice for the Chevalier was Charles Bronson.
― clemenza, Monday, 4 September 2023 02:19 (nine months ago) link
https://t.co/O6jCB0HORZ pic.twitter.com/AMMNOtuQFo— Jacob Oller (@JacobOller) September 5, 2023
― mark s, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 10:55 (eight months ago) link
Hmm.
― The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 10:59 (eight months ago) link
Right, so parsed that wrong at first, thinking it was saying Mambo No.5 was a big culture war issue. Which, my first reaction was surprise that I hadn't heard about that, but not really surprise at the idea.
Which says a lot abaot society imo
― van der gragt generator (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 12:56 (eight months ago) link
That was my thought too. And, yeah, that is a totally plausible scenario circa 2023
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 12:57 (eight months ago) link
Need to hear King’s thoughts on “It Wasn’t Me” post haste
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 12:58 (eight months ago) link
Also, I suspect Orange is getting harshed on this thread a bit cos ppl are embarrassed at being into it as edgy youths. I do understand the implulse but imo it stands up better than most things I was into at 16
― van der gragt generator (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 12:58 (eight months ago) link
enjoyers of mambo no.5 welcoming ilxors eric h. and bananaman begins into the only fandom that counts:
https://the-take.com/images/uploads/screenprism/_constrain-1080w/178763.jpg
― mark s, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 12:59 (eight months ago) link
Ha!
― van der gragt generator (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 13:03 (eight months ago) link
We all mambo down here
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 13:41 (eight months ago) link
Apparently the question prior to that one in the tweet was about "Rich Men North of Richmond," about which King only said: "I haven’t heard the song yet, but I’ve seen pictures of him. He’s got a beard and he’s got a cool guitar."
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 13:43 (eight months ago) link
there's a definitive "my life before and after seeing 2001" - so that.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 14:48 (eight months ago) link
orange is p good, mid-pack, prison section fairly dull, non-mcdowell performances certainly a choice (one choice, by one guy), when i was an edgy teen i thought it was an act of criminal irresponsibility (the worst kind of edgy teen)
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 14:57 (eight months ago) link
i don't know why i said mid-pack; it's still down there actually.
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 14:58 (eight months ago) link
I finally watched The Killing and loved how tight and ugly it was. I've already mentally paired it with Pick-Up on South Street and I'm not entirely sure why as yet.
Also, there is a guy who goes in my local who is so clearly Timothy Carey's doppelganger I'm going to have to ask him if he has seen this film.
― Slays two. Found gassed. Thinks of cat. (Chinaski), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:36 (eight months ago) link
Michael Fassbinder was a pretty good robot David, but I feel like he would have been better as David Bowman, mostly because he has a good laconic teeth-grinding expression to wear for most of the movie. Frank Poole: for some reason I'm thinking John C. Reilly.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 21:09 (eight months ago) link
God, the scene where Timothy Carey tells off the parking lot attendant in THE KILLING is so brutal and heartbreaking
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 21:24 (eight months ago) link
Wait the culture war part wasn’t about “Mambo No. 5”?
― The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 7 September 2023 11:05 (eight months ago) link
Re A Clockwork Orange, the book not the movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-yk2el2b8k
― The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 7 September 2023 11:10 (eight months ago) link
rewatched The Killing and as much as I enjoyed the film it's hamstrung by one of my pet hates - the voiceover
― or something, Thursday, 7 September 2023 11:16 (eight months ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Thursday, 14 September 2023 00:01 (eight months ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 15 September 2023 00:01 (eight months ago) link
Suspicions more or less confirmed, held against the prior poll. Also, good job ILX
― 50 Best Fellas (Eric H.), Friday, 15 September 2023 00:47 (eight months ago) link
not sure what you mean about suspicions confirmed, or "held against the prior poll", but there were a lot of votes
― Dan S, Friday, 15 September 2023 00:59 (eight months ago) link
my eyes wide shut-heads are once again the most correct
― ivy., Friday, 15 September 2023 02:18 (eight months ago) link
Glad Clockwork got nothing. The Killing and Paths of Glory are, I think, on the short-list of greatest American films of the '50s, but that's just the nature of click-polls that they'd sink to the bottom.
― clemenza, Friday, 15 September 2023 03:42 (eight months ago) link
agreed, i grew up in a TCM household and rarely anything caught my attention - it wasn't until seeing films like those that i wanted to go back and revist the era.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 15 September 2023 03:57 (eight months ago) link
I don’t think Paths or Glory or The Killing’s positions would necessarily be that much higher in a ballot-style poll, fwiw. The only sig change would probably be Strangelove moving up a spot or two
― 50 Best Fellas (Eric H.), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:18 (eight months ago) link
Agree on Paths of Glory; it seems to have fallen away over the years. But I think The Killing would finish ahead of Full Metal Jacket, and possibly even ahead of Strangelove in a weighted poll.
― clemenza, Friday, 15 September 2023 14:59 (eight months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8_tJ6rVPyM
― ivy., Monday, 22 January 2024 16:36 (four months ago) link