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England Squad
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/england/3714245.stm

Phil Neville is in - Why !
also ...
Gareth Southgate
Wes Brown
Ledley King
Jamie Carragher

Gareth Barry is better, versatile, and physically fit - than all of the above

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:07 (twenty years ago) link

bbc have updated their website......ahhhhhhh !

GOALKEEPERS
David James
Paul Robinson
Ian Walker

DEFENDERS
John Terry
Sol Campbell
Gary Neville
Ashley Cole
Wayne Bridge
Phil Neville
Gareth Southgate
Wes Brown
Ledley King
Jamie Carragher

MIDFIELDERS
David Beckham
Nicky Butt
Steven Gerrard
Paul Scholes
Scott Parker
Owen Hargreaves
Kieron Dyer
Frank Lampard

STRIKERS
Michael Owen
Emile Heskey
Wayne Rooney
Darius Vassell
Jermain Defoe

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:09 (twenty years ago) link

curses bbc website

ENGLAND PROFILES

GOALKEEPERS
David James
Paul Robinson
Ian Walker

DEFENDERS
Wayne Bridge
Sol Campbell
Jamie Carragher
Ashley Cole
Ledley King
Gary Neville
Phil Neville
John Terry

MIDFIELDERS
David Beckham
Nicky Butt
Joe Cole
Kieron Dyer
Steven Gerrard
Owen Hargreaves
Frank Lampard
Paul Scholes

STRIKERS
Emile Heskey
Michael Owen
Wayne Rooney
Darius Vassell

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:10 (twenty years ago) link

Midfielders haven't been named yet, and Barry could be in there. I doubt it though, even if I think he should be.

Phil Neville is in because he can play in three different positions on the pitch, even if he's only really any good in central midfield. I'm surprised to see Southgate in there, but Matthew Upson, how your stock has plummeted.

Yay Scotty Parker! Go there! Now someone break Owen Hargreaves' leg so Parker can go to Portugal.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:12 (twenty years ago) link

I forgot to delete that first para.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:12 (twenty years ago) link

Danny Mills must be proper fucked off.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:13 (twenty years ago) link

Standby:

Jermain Defoe (Tottenham), Richard Wright (Everton), Matthew Upson (Birmingham), Gareth Southgate (Middlesbrough), Scott Parker (Chelsea), Alan Smith (Leeds).

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:13 (twenty years ago) link

Does "fucked off" mean "disappeared" in that sentence?

(what a dull, dull line-up. England are never going to win anything.)

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:14 (twenty years ago) link

Heskey seems to be on his way to Birmingham.

: (

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:16 (twenty years ago) link

to be fair to the bbc webmonkeys they updated/ changed things very fast, but they had the wrong details up for a few minutes.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:16 (twenty years ago) link

happier times

http://www.soccernetwork.org.uk/premiership/liverpool/heskey/heskey_lfc5.jpg

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:18 (twenty years ago) link

Barry you big tart what do you mean dull?!?! ;)

shame Defoe couldn't make it but Vassell really earned his place i feel

considering Owen didn't score in the group matches at the World Cup I think he actually will score against France. the biggest best strikers usually net in their first tournament game tho there is always the odd exception and hopefully Owen's got that out of the way and will start brightly in Portugal.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:24 (twenty years ago) link

glad Carragher is in (i would play him!), would not have taken Mills

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:25 (twenty years ago) link

How many goals has Vassell scored this season?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:25 (twenty years ago) link

I'm starting to get as defensive about the Nevilles as other people do about Heskey. NEVILLE-BASHING IS K-LAME THERE IS NO WAY JAMIE CARRAGHER IS BETTER THAN GARY NEVILLE.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:26 (twenty years ago) link

how many England goals has Vassell scored is arguably more pertinent

where was Steve Stone?? :( ;)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:27 (twenty years ago) link

Mattchester United DC.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:27 (twenty years ago) link

Not as catchy as Mannionited

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:29 (twenty years ago) link

defoe unluck not to get in imho

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:29 (twenty years ago) link

Darius Vassell is better than Alan Smith is he?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:29 (twenty years ago) link

yes Defoe was unlucky, as Vassell would've been

Dadaismus it's not about who's better, it's about who can best be used and how

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

anyone with the name Darius can't be bad anyway

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:33 (twenty years ago) link

The worrying thing about that squad is the continued reliance on Michael Owen to be getting goals. If he's not getting goals then Heskey, Rooney and Vassell aren't exactly goal machines, which is why Defoe should've been in the squad. The midfield looks like a better source of goals that the attack.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:35 (twenty years ago) link

i very much doubt Defoe would be more effective than Owen up front for England. my faith remains, except with the penalties...

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:37 (twenty years ago) link

anyway thank jeebus nobody got crocked on the last day of the season - i was terrfied Gerrard would end up out again

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:37 (twenty years ago) link

Gerrard will make the difference between this team and the one that petered out against Brazil, mark my words - or put them in a pie when it's all over

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:38 (twenty years ago) link

Has La Liga finished yet? There's still time for Beckham to break his leg in two places.

Ferdinand aside, is this *gasp* the first time England have gone to a major tournament with all their key players fit and available? On the current form of Gerrard, Lampard, Terry and Campbell England should be pretty difficult to beat if not exactly scoring a boatload.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:40 (twenty years ago) link

well if the midfielders concentrate more on supplying the strikers then it shouldn't be a problem

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:42 (twenty years ago) link

We will be spared the sight of Danny Mills - that's something to be grateful to Sven for.

My changes would have been Wes Brown or Gareth Barry for P.Neville, Wright-Phillips for Dyer (SWP is really on a roll now and could have been an interesting sub to bring on - doesn't lack confidence, also does anyone else think that Dyer is really fairly ordinary),Parker for Hargreaves and Defoe for Heskey (surely the idea of Emile as an effective international striker is well and truly dead by now - why is he going?)

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:44 (twenty years ago) link

Dyer has been Dire this season has he not?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:45 (twenty years ago) link

if Phil Neville gets injured in the FA Cup final, then Portsmouth's Matthew Taylor should be considered.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:47 (twenty years ago) link

Dyer shone on his debut against the mighty Luxembourg - i hope he can recapture that power

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:47 (twenty years ago) link

When Gareth Barry was 18 he was in the England Squad, under Sven he has been overlooked/ untried why?

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:50 (twenty years ago) link

He tried it on with Nancy.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:58 (twenty years ago) link

perhaps Lee Hendrie will re-enter the fray next season

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 13:00 (twenty years ago) link

dear interweb, can someone pls photoshop michael owen attempting to hit a cow's arse with a banjo, thnx, bye.

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 17 May 2004 13:12 (twenty years ago) link

At the moment, England's hopes rest largely on whether Steven Gerrard will be as fucking shit hot as he has been lately. I think he could win it on his own. I mean, look at the top of the Premiership:

1. Arsenal
2. Chelsea
3. Man Utd
4. Gerrard
5. Newcastle

See?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 17 May 2004 13:14 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...

any tips for sven?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Stay away from Ulrika Jonsson in future

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

replace Trezeguet by Saha and get Rothen in the starting XI at the expense of one of the DMs.

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Am I right in thinking a Sylvestre blunder led to the Swiss goal? Why is Santini still playing him?!?!??!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I know. Resp for two penalties and last night's goal. Only Boumsong could replace him though (Desailly being obv not an option).

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link

You still think so?!

― ___ (___), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Matt's not doing too well on these threads!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/3996895.stm

i have seen toshack's punditry on irish tv, so i can confirm that he is a moron

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 12 November 2004 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...

andy reid, you are a delightful young man.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 23:58 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Zat Knight, Fulham's central defender
-- DJ Martian (altmartinu...) (webmail), May 11th, 2004

May 17th 2005 Sven calls Zat Knight into the England squad

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4548587.stm

ha who needs Sven to spot players !

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Why is he called Zat? Is it a misprint?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

short for Zataday, as in 'alright for fighting'.

― $V£N! (blueski), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

No, but seriously, what is Zat name all about?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

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