self-clowning here shows how many times I've watched 2001!
fair enough james redd, it's still a million times better than any Nolan movie, just mentioning this because Kubrick sometimes get's the blame!
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 21 August 2023 19:31 (nine months ago) link
Ground control to Major Kong.
― Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 19:31 (nine months ago) link
I'm voting "The Killing" btw.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Monday, 21 August 2023 19:33 (nine months ago) link
^good choice!
― Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 19:34 (nine months ago) link
I've only seen it once or twice and it's stuck in my memory as a really top notch gritty noir
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 21 August 2023 19:36 (nine months ago) link
If you really want insufferable Peter Sellers, he sets the bar pretty high here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUZCXaStvnc
― Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 19:37 (nine months ago) link
xpostI'm guessing at least some of that grit comes from Jim Thompson (and another plus point for Kubrick - he often picked v interesting writing collaborators).
Sellers' Strangelove is a Goon Show skit, but I think he's genuinely funny in the other two roles ("It's the strings in my legs" - Terry Southern!). Tho yes, Scott is funnier.
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 21 August 2023 19:38 (nine months ago) link
He's insufferable in so many movies tbh.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Monday, 21 August 2023 19:40 (nine months ago) link
The Killing also has a super-complicated flashback time-scheme which really works well, iirc.
― Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 19:41 (nine months ago) link
Or maybe it just goes backwards, speaking of Nolan, been awhile.
― Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 19:46 (nine months ago) link
Lolita is sort of interesting in its own right but as an adaptation always seems to me to be completely miscast, except for maybe Shelley Winters who is almost typecast in that type of role but still.
― Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 19:53 (nine months ago) link
I’d agree that Sellers isn’t at the top of the pack in terms of laugh-getters for me in Strangelove but I still don’t mind him in it, i can forgive him for being predictable (or w/e) in it because after all its not hard to see the machinery at work with the other performances either tbh, the fact that everyones recklessly mugging is most of the fun.
The only thing that bugs me about Sellers in Strangelove is that he's clearly riffing on Bob Newhart as the president and I cant help but imagine Newhart doing it & being funnier
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 21 August 2023 19:55 (nine months ago) link
I can just tolerate James Mason as Humbert Humbert if I somehow think of that performance as a piece with some of his other roles such as in Bigger Than Life or North By Northwest but I’d much prefer somebody else who could play a louche Continental like, say, George Sanders pretending to speak German in Man Hunt.
― Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 19:58 (nine months ago) link
Ah, interesting point about Bob Newhart.
by the time I saw Strangelove I was already familiar with Python and the Goons and despite having also seen 2001 and Clockwork Orange, I was still expecting to see something with much broader humor in the satire, so I was initially a bit disappointed. These days I find the movie more unsettling than funny which I think was the intention. Sellars is goofy as the title character, but his other two characters are very good I think.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:02 (nine months ago) link
I think if Bush/Cheney and Trump had never happened, Dr. Strangelove would seem more dated than it does
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:03 (nine months ago) link
ICYMI, Jemaine Clement's imitation of David Bowie here is actually 2/3 James Mason.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8f_XCH3zmM
― Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:09 (nine months ago) link
I've noticed Sellers doing this in other films, he was obviously a brilliant mimic.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:11 (nine months ago) link
I also love Mason and (esp) Wilson in Lolita.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:12 (nine months ago) link
Wilson? From Castaway?
― Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:14 (nine months ago) link
*Winters
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:18 (nine months ago) link
Peter Bull gives Strangelove's funniest performance imo
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:21 (nine months ago) link
Yeah he’s good
― Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:21 (nine months ago) link
it sticks out to me in Strangelove especially bc its literally paired with Newhart's trademark routine, the extended onesided straight-man phone call, at a time when Newhart had released half a dozen hugely successful albums of that gag over the previous few years so obviously no accident. always struck me as bizarre that no one ever seemed to remark on that, its a pretty brazen choice.
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:36 (nine months ago) link
had to look up Bull was the portly soviet union guy, yes brilliant as well.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:39 (nine months ago) link
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41xs2QnoalL._SX389_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 21 August 2023 20:40 (nine months ago) link
#onethread!
― Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:47 (nine months ago) link
(xp) First ever Pozzo in "Waiting for Godot" - in English that is.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:47 (nine months ago) link
I mean #onefilm maybe, although A.I. doesn’t quite count as Kubrick.
― Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:48 (nine months ago) link
https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/41626354_1889212937825022_8817086693501829120_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=TkYnFAi5-hkAX8z5yJK&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&oh=00_AfCiyMtSuT4GTnamB7a_IR7qqiKITqz0jIgjydWpFX_iTA&oe=650B2B4B
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:49 (nine months ago) link
I’ve expressed my opinion many times and have argued with multiple people here, and am reminded that ilx is the only place I want to discuss films.
Barry Lyndon and The Shining are really great, but I still think 2001: A Space Odyssey is the greatest film of all time
― Dan S, Monday, 21 August 2023 22:18 (nine months ago) link
i could def be argued towards that trio in that order
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 21 August 2023 22:28 (nine months ago) link
Sometimes I feel like SK is kind of My First Auteur in that he makes highly entertaining films with such overt tropes and signature flourishes that you can’t help but be drawn into his cult. I say this as acknowledgment of my own basic taste rather than sneering at others. Some days it’s Barry Lyndon, some days it’s The Killing, some days it’s 2001: A Space Odyssey for me.
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 21 August 2023 22:30 (nine months ago) link
I get that it's beautiful to look at on the big screen (and the soundtrack is the best thing about it for me; I couldn't not see it after looking at the music choices). But I don't see anything very profound in HAL, and what engages your intellect in this? ― xyzzzz__, Monday, January 9, 2023
I'm probably not going to express my ideas here very well, but:besides the overwhelming visual impact of viewing it on a big screen and the soundtrack, what engages me most is its story about leaps in evolution that seem almost impossible, its vision of the past, and its stunning imagination of the future. HAL's dysfunction is focused on a moment in the middle of the film - possibly predicting something we as humans are going to be facing in the not too distant future - but the span of time in the movie is so vast
― Dan S, Monday, January 9, 2023
I think all of it as amazing, the visuals, grandiosity, the metaphysical quality, the disconnected narrative in three parts that could be pieced together through closely watching, the sense of becoming, the weirdness of so many scenes especially those with the monolith, the stargate sequence, the old man in the classical bedroom which anticipated AI by 55 years at least, and the strangeness of the last scene
― Dan S, Monday, 21 August 2023 22:47 (nine months ago) link
Feel like reading that Ian Watson article on the other thread(s) about working with Kubrick is now starting to sink in: all that OCD energy that goes into the preproduction process can only be reined into something useful by the discipline of actually making the thing.
― Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 22:57 (nine months ago) link
"The Killing" has one of my favorite endings of all time.
Sacrilege or no, I've come to really like the Soderbergh cut of "2001."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 01:54 (nine months ago) link
THE KILLING is on youtube for free with ads and i'll probbaly watch it tonight.
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 04:16 (nine months ago) link
my vote is for BARRY LYNDON but i do really like most of his films
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 04:17 (nine months ago) link
I tend to confuse The Killing with Huston's The Asphalt Jungle, heist films co-starring Sterling Hayden.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 10:12 (nine months ago) link
Repolling is a little disingenuous on my part because my take remains, as it did some 15 years back, that Barry Lyndon, The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut are the collective apex, with 2001 a reasonably distant fourth-place
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 12:05 (nine months ago) link
Top Kubrick for me is The Shining, Clockwork Orange, Full Metal Jacket. Art meets pop-corn entertainment in a show of garish sound and color. Total cinema.
Eyes Wide Shut is up there. I've seen the remake of Lolita before the original and I still think first about Adrian Lyne's version. I'll take 2001 the book over Kubrick's adaptation, I found that the satire worked less well in a sci-fi setting, a few iconic scenes but not a great film. Dr Strangelove and Barry Lyndon were not memorable and dated. I'd be happy to rewatch BL and get corrected though. Haven't seen the rest.
― Nabozo, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 13:01 (nine months ago) link
Kubrick didn’t adapt 2001; he and Clarke wrote the screenplay together (using an idea from Clarke’s short story “The Sentinel”) and Clarke adapted it as a book.
― assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 13:40 (nine months ago) link
Didn't Kubrick rewrite on set (there's footage from his daughter's behind-the-scenes documentary of him typing new script pages on the set of The Shining for example). He certainly junked, at quite a late stage, all the voiceover narration written by Clarke. So in some ways it's an adaptation, as much as a collaboration, I guess.
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 13:52 (nine months ago) link
I can't remember where I read recently that the solo Kubrick screenplay credits, specifically for ACO and BL, are bogus -- that he wasn't much of a writer at all, etc. I don't know if that's true.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 13:54 (nine months ago) link
I am slightly surprised, Eric, by the unchanging nature of your top three because I do think part of the strength of these films is the way that they become more or less relevant, or interesting, over time. So actually the 'urgent, timely' bomb fear of Strangelove is now a period piece, like Oppenheimer (and to mention them in the same sentence is to highlight how impoverished the Nolan film is), whereas The Shining is makes total sense as the ultimate lockdown movie.
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 13:57 (nine months ago) link
I did indeed watch The Shining again in 2020 and almost died. I thought after ten minutes, "Have I forgotten how much longer I have to endure Jack Nicholson's acting?"
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 14:00 (nine months ago) link
Kubrick movies that I've watched for the first time in the past year:
The Killing - Fun, but a little disjointed/stiff. Great ending as mentioned above. Barry Lyndon - Can't believe I kept kicking this down the road. Very funny. Voted for it in this poll. Eyes Wide Shut - Loved it, and need to watch it again.
Revisited recently:
The Shining - Still absolutely amazingA Clockwork Orange - Hadn't seen this since I was an edgy teenager. It's a tough watch, but I was able to appreciate more about it this time around. Dr. Strangelove - Used to love this one. When I rewatched it a few years ago, I was less amused, I guess? I dunno, maybe I was having a bad day.
Haven't seen:
Fear and DesireKillers KissSpartacusLolita
― peace, man, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 14:24 (nine months ago) link
I am slightly surprised, Eric, by the unchanging nature of your top three because I do think part of the strength of these films is the way that they become more or less relevant, or interesting, over time.
I'm sure it didn't hurt either Eyes Wide Shut or The Shining's cases that, in the last few years, I got married.
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 14:33 (nine months ago) link
the two types of marriage
― mark s, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 14:36 (nine months ago) link
all these films (except barry lyndon) suck btw
― mark s, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 14:37 (nine months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8_tJ6rVPyM
― ivy., Monday, 22 January 2024 16:36 (four months ago) link