TS: Lewis vs Morse

his love of music -- which is deep and very genuine, and which i find extremely irritating

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lol omar

The music thing is interesting. A lot of intellectual snobbery tics are cheap and reflexive - he's the scholarship boy desperate to prove his worth to social betters who will never give a shit and he can't/won't see this, and it's curdled him something rotten - but irrespective of what he affects not to like you're right mark, his love for what he does like is genuine and unaffected

he surrounds himself in it like an impenetrable armour

kinda wish ppl called me "pagan" tbh

Yeah it's quite a cool nickname if you're not poor self-conscious Endeavour

Is that the cricket team ep?

yes

I do like in morse how p much every villain is completely unremarkable and banal. one of the early ones about a missing schoolgirl has a terrifically whiny head teacher basically killing someone because it was "intolerable" that she would try to tell him what to do with HIS school.

think the only culprit I've been genuinely scared/creeped out by was the driving instructor one. and morse completely loses it during the entire episode persecuting the wrong guy.

When I was first watching them at the original broadcast date I used to argue that they nod to politics and conspiracy but the motives almost always end up being tawdry and personal. Don't know if I think that's good or bad now, but it's kind of good I guess. Law and Order often does a similar trick, the big motives are always supplanted by the small, sad motives

i'm only at no.10 right now but yes, so far i feel the Big Issues™️ have always been red herrings and it's actually at its best when everything is v small and crappy beer and ppl being dumb weasely shits

"his love of music -- which is deep and very genuine, and which i find extremely irritating"

Wonder how much it maps to someone like Scruton (not someone I am ever likely to read on music).

that definitely falls under "background research i will NOT be undertaking as an adjunct to this rewatch"*

my kneejerk impression is that morse uses it as kind of full sensualist wash which can be relied on to protect him from an ugly stupid world: where scruton actually wheels out the analytic and structural dimensions of classical composition as proof of (and key prizes in) the Western Civilisational Achievement etc

however this is second- or even third-hand apprehension of content so i may be quite wrong

*i just rewatched the cricket episode and was mildly amused to note that the two paperbacks abt zen buddhism which briefly feature as plot points are two books i myself own -- welcome to the first items you could grab off the shelves in a bookshop in the 80s

(adding: i found the cricket one p tiresome but it's probably the ep i've seen most often so the judgment isn't really fair maybe -- such comedy as it involves has become a little stale)

there's some especially toe-curling Morse lechery iirc

haha yes he makes a move of his dead friend's wife a wee bit quick, and then she and a quite different lady-of-interest seem strangely into him for some reason -- and then we find their reasons and lewis has to kindly help him escape some of the toe-curling going public

he doesn't disgrace himself but i think he does humiliate himself

s3 e4: The Secret of Bay 5B

in which grayling R sends signals (= pathologising in a scarlet evening dress! and for someone so um PERMANENTLY LORN, yr man almost entirely fails to recognise this lol

the tale itself is pleasingly low key and sad and grubby

the next one stars one of my favourite extremely dislikeable (hence very busy) actors = george costigan

Costigan is great, yeah, especially at playing sleazebags

funny given the tom wilkinson crossover that this ep has more or less the same plot as MICHAEL CLAYTON (2007)

different emphasis on different elements maybe :|

and then this next one's abt death by beer lol

plot is a dorothy sayers knock-off (apart from the beer)

(i generally find the rich-family-has-issues stories p hard going to be honest)

those story lines tend to play up the "Morse as embittered outsider" angle and they didn't need to keep doing it

tbf the stories with more lower middle/working class characters at the centre tend to highlight how bad the writers and actors often were at covering that territory, but i enjoy seeing their version of the machinery hidden behind the Byzantine world of dons and poshos

i've only read the first of the Morse books and it's probably enough for me - there's some grim stuff in Lewis's inner monologue especially - but it's interesting how much worse the book Morse is at passing as U and how much rougher around the edges he is

meanwhile:

FOR GOD'S SAKE MORSE RUN, SHE'LL EAT YOUR WHOLE HEAD LIKE A PRAYING MANTIS pic.twitter.com/adYjsBpYZg

— Je téléphone à la police (@je_police) May 27, 2023

i'd let her tbh

but it's interesting how much worse the book Morse is at passing as U and how much rougher around the edges he is

Wonder if this is down to Thaw not wanting to play it as Jack Regan in Oxford

those story lines tend to play up the "Morse as embittered outsider" angle and they didn't need to keep doing it

― you're a sick man, Buddy Rich (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 August 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Don't think it needs those stories. What I like is the level of bitterness that John Thaw is pretty good at playing up (I've never seen him in anything else so I don't know what his range is) throughout. You've got this cultured, wannabe academic playing an inspector but I don't know if I could imagine him as lower ranked officer. It's like he is a civil servant, just 'fast tracked' into this role.

Morse is a very odd confection, Oxford is full of reminders of this other life he could've led and did not. But he never left.

that range in full:

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Let's not forget...

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Angry, embittered and indignant was definitely what John Thaw was best at.

He has a small role in The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner (1962) - twenty years old, but already looking older:

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driven to distraction is abt misogyny in the motortrade and catching a serial killer: patrick malahide delivers a strongly nasty performance and they encounter several lesser creeps beside the killer, but the main team are just not themselves at all -- morse breaking regs all over the shop, lewis throwing strops abt this, strange, well ok strange is his normal self lol. prime suspect wasn't till the following year so i guess the relevant stakes weren't really been raised yet in terms of quotidian sexism on the force hobbling this kind of investigiation (inc.bringing in mary jo randle as a copper seconded precisely to deal with such matters, a role she took to the bill a couple of years later) -- but acknowledging that just leaves you thinking how much this ep doesn't get it. so it ends up an ugly oddity somehow -- tho apparently a popular one…

the masons-mozart ep is extremely goofy; lewis's joy at being asked to use a computer is excellent stuff

appreciate Morse having a nemesis who would've been used to death in post-HBO tv but not here thankfully

that's probably one of the reasons i got so into these shows, they're mercifully low on story arcs

great reveal when we see who it actually is lol

morse: imperial phase

another character actor i enjoy tho without googling i remember him from late period Dennis Potter and i think he might have been the lad that ended up playing the Star Wars emperor?

my nemesis is none other than darth Icky

hey, if Alec Guinness had no regrets then no wait

haha sam kelly unsurprisingly terrific as the ghostwriter-hack in "second time around"

if you'd told me that 1962 John Thaw was a 52 year old man i wouldn't have disbelieved it for a second.

oddly enough he really reminds me in that photo of a close friend i had at college who died young: i never knew what he looked like at 30 let along 52 :|

not a connection i ever made before, it's the curly hair framing the forehead

Are there any actual "good" episodes of Morse with a solid mystery, or at least solid narrative momentum, not just thesps yelling and crying and two-minute, single-camera shots of a Jaguar parking on a gravel path for atmos?

That might be an unfair remeberance, I speak as someone who remembers Morse as a ten-year-old who wished ITV still showed Magnum PI instead

ive just reached halfway in the rewatch (season five of eight) so im hesitant to be all grand-gesture "in conclusion" yet but i'd say that the stories so far are always solid-mystery-shaped without ever quite being classic solid mysteries, and that's bcz everyone involved is seizing on the opportunity to cram in other stuff: including settings and cute shots, opera joeks, being jampacked with off-the-ball hints for rewatch nerds with a pause button, stunt performances and cameos, topical social commentary, ageless wisdom™️, and the relentless comedy stylings of the morse&lewis duo…

result is that it swerves around a great deal tonally between eps and every ep is a bit of a mess one way and another. it can certainly be diverting -- more so than poirot, say, at least for me, which i always lose interest in, tho less than geraldine mcewan in goblin-mode -- but it is as often just exasperating: its ambitious notions flubbed and its many bids for bleak relevance outmanoevred (e.g. by frost, which is in some ways its smarter twin)

watched: the one with child murder, sam kelly, that fellow darth vader chokes as a fiery copper morse dislikes
watching: the one with women vicars and a miracle slimming product