Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

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Yeah well think of the feelings of the electoral collegians for once why doncha

toenail fungus (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 12:04 (two years ago)

idk 63% unfavorable is really really bad for a presidential candidate, IIRC he was at something like 57% in 2020 and still lost pretty badly. can't imagine new sets of criminal charges and having this guy constantly back on TV again is gonna make anyone like him *more*

frogbs, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 13:13 (two years ago)

Andy, the GW Bush campaign was expecting to win the popular vote but lose in the EC, they had a legal strategy lined up already to challenge the results, and had a PR strategy to discredit the EC.

Moritz von Oswald von Wolkenstein (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:23 (two years ago)

what's really going to doom DeSantis now is that, like Trump, he was faring well in head to head election polls with Biden, but his numbers have slipped significantly, with three of the last five polls having Biden with a margin of 4 points or better.

Trump himself has slid in the same head to head polls, though not quite as much, and considering the lack of enthusiasm for DeSantis, you'd look to some other factor to make his case.

Most of the poll shifting seems to be undecideds deciding, and obviously polls this far out with the Republican party not having an official nominee are meant to be taken with a grain of salt, but the negativity amongst both candidates seems to have a tangible impact now.

linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:28 (two years ago)

Polls this far out are gross indicators at best.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:36 (two years ago)

Trump is pretty gross

linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:38 (two years ago)

Here we go again

BREAKING: Two sources with direct knowledge of the situation tells NBC News that Trump attorneys Todd Blanche and John Lauro are meeting with prosecutors in the Special Counsel's office in Washington and have been told to expect an indictment against Donald Trump. @MSNBC

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) July 27, 2023

hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 27 July 2023 15:26 (two years ago)

Here's why it looks bad for President Biden.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 July 2023 15:27 (two years ago)

lol Alfred

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 27 July 2023 15:55 (two years ago)

lol xp

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 27 July 2023 15:55 (two years ago)

guy is piling up a lot of charges

lag∞n, Thursday, 27 July 2023 17:34 (two years ago)

a double header?

Barricades erected outside the Fulton County courthouse now. Looks like preparation for some big legal news… pic.twitter.com/3QOccQOMnf

— Charles Bethea (@charlesbethea) July 27, 2023

hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 27 July 2023 17:43 (two years ago)

Build the wall! Build the wall!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 July 2023 17:56 (two years ago)

It's just a shame that a full two years after Jan 6, we only have 1,734 indictments.

linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Thursday, 27 July 2023 18:30 (two years ago)

we need hundreds of millions of indictments

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 27 July 2023 18:58 (two years ago)

I could have sworn I heard am interview with prosecutors that said, after a very brief lull several months ago, that there could be another thousand on the way.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 July 2023 19:46 (two years ago)

I wonder if anyone from a small town will come to Atlanta to Try That

c u (crüt), Thursday, 27 July 2023 20:18 (two years ago)

It would be cool if a small town indicted Trump too.

hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 27 July 2023 20:20 (two years ago)

I was indicted in a small town

linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Thursday, 27 July 2023 20:31 (two years ago)

son take a good look around

Some people call me Maurice Chevalier (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 27 July 2023 20:46 (two years ago)

Met an N.Y. Don and brought him to this small town
Now he's small town just like me

hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 27 July 2023 20:57 (two years ago)

just a small town girl
livin' in a racist world

Some people call me Maurice Chevalier (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 27 July 2023 21:07 (two years ago)

I guess the long-term play for DeSantis right now is to hope that all this stuff does make Trump look less and less electable, so that if the Trump fever ever breaks Dr. Ron is right there. It's just so hard to imagine that really happening.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 27 July 2023 21:44 (two years ago)

And of course DeSantis can't be too brazen about trying to capitalize on any of it. Like, you would think that your opponent facing multiple criminal indictments in multiple jurisdictions would be the most obvious attack point. But apart from Asa Hutchison none of them want to do that. What an insane time.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 27 July 2023 21:46 (two years ago)

BREAKING: A superseding indictment has been filed with new charges against Donald Trump.

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) July 27, 2023

Justice Department: The superseding indictment also charges Trump, De Oliveira and Nauta with two new obstruction counts based on allegations that the defendants attempted to delete surveillance video footage at The Mar-a-Lago Club in summer 2022.

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) July 27, 2023

are we led to believe that they tried and failed to delete the footage

lag∞n, Thursday, 27 July 2023 22:35 (two years ago)

Indicted on charges of bumbling

epistantophus, Thursday, 27 July 2023 22:37 (two years ago)

Well the good news is Byron Donalds is Donald's Byron.

What's crazy to me is I expressed support for the vast majority of the new African American history standards and happened to oppose one sentence that seemed to dignify the skills gained by slaves as a result of their enslavement.

Anyone who can't accurately interpret what I… https://t.co/b6hqaSJtlp

— Byron Donalds (@ByronDonalds) July 27, 2023

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 27 July 2023 22:42 (two years ago)

yeah thats crazy man who wouldve thought that the scorpions would react that way

lag∞n, Thursday, 27 July 2023 22:46 (two years ago)

Shocked to find racists under these hoods

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 27 July 2023 22:48 (two years ago)

Waiting for Trump to be indicted again for trying to delete his demand that the security footage be deleted.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 July 2023 22:50 (two years ago)

Go to hell, you cowardly turd

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 July 2023 22:50 (two years ago)

Indictment Days Are The New Infrastructure Weeks

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 27 July 2023 23:24 (two years ago)

I’m so indicted! And I jus

did we already do that at some point? probably

epistantophus, Thursday, 27 July 2023 23:56 (two years ago)

One of the new charges against Trump is that he willfully retained a top-secret document about Iran attack plans, which he discussed with biographers during a taped meeting at Bedminster. The charging document doesn't name the country, but Trump allies, and Trump himself even,…

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) July 27, 2023

lag∞n, Friday, 28 July 2023 00:28 (two years ago)

Tipsy, Desantis is relatively young and has time. He can wait for another cycle or two (as Biden did).

Some people call me Maurice Chevalier (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 28 July 2023 00:38 (two years ago)

Or he can die in a fire

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 July 2023 00:59 (two years ago)

Alfred: yes, preferable.

Some people call me Maurice Chevalier (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 28 July 2023 01:01 (two years ago)

I can't imagine him getting any less repellent than he is now.

nickn, Friday, 28 July 2023 01:01 (two years ago)

Maybe he will catch Woke

hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Friday, 28 July 2023 01:26 (two years ago)

From a Woketopus Teacher

Some people call me Maurice Chevalier (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 28 July 2023 01:52 (two years ago)

This also suggests that, as in other legal matters, Trump is making his attorneys take absurd positions that will just make them look bad in the front of the judge. It's one thing to do that in a civil case, but in a criminal case, you might want to listen to your attorneys. https://t.co/MTKGP0wxfg

— Secrets and Laws (@secretsandlaws) July 27, 2023

imho this is him testing Cannon

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) July 27, 2023

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 July 2023 03:01 (two years ago)

DOJ: "There is no basis for the defendant’s request ... and it is particularly striking that he seeks permission to do so in the very location at which he is charged with willfully retaining the documents charged in this case"

Trump response due 8/9. https://t.co/OP0CTK4nGn

— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) July 28, 2023

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 July 2023 03:01 (two years ago)

whoa it’s like he dngaf!

me: he cannot afford to do. and… it might work, i guess. not that i can imagine that.

toenail fungus (Hunt3r), Friday, 28 July 2023 03:24 (two years ago)

Discovery of deleted Mar-a-Lago surveillance video casts a shadow over the Biden White House.

— New York Times Pitchbot (@DougJBalloon) July 28, 2023

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 July 2023 14:17 (two years ago)

lmao

linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 28 July 2023 14:21 (two years ago)

the video was of Hunter spilling coke on the documents

hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Friday, 28 July 2023 14:25 (two years ago)

The expanded indictment against Trump includes a detailed and incredibly damning articulation of how his team allegedly tried to bury security footage. I walked through it. https://t.co/E2GA0ZMm7B

— Philip Bump (@pbump) July 28, 2023

We now come to one of the most intriguing new parts of the indictment.

“Between 1:31 p.m. and 1:50 p.m., DE OLIVEIRA walked through the bushes on the northern edge of The Mar-a-Lago Club property to meet with NAUTA on the adjacent property,” the indictment alleges, “then walked back to the IT office that he had visited that morning; and then walked again through the bushes on the northern edge of The Mar-a-Lago Club property to meet with NAUTA on the adjacent property.”

There are a few possible reasons for this weird (alleged) interaction. One is that Nauta was engaged in some activity off the Mar-a-Lago grounds and simply couldn’t come closer to De Oliveira. Another is that Nauta didn’t want to been recorded as having visited Mar-a-Lago that day, either by Secret Service or other employees. Another is that Nauta and De Oliveira — by now very aware that the federal government was interested in movements at the facility — were eager not to be observed. Remember that De Oliveira’s conversation with the IT staffer took place not in the staffer’s office or a hallway but, instead, in a small nearby room.

That people can gain access to Mar-a-Lago by slipping through the bushes is, of course, a subject that probably deserves more consideration, too.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 July 2023 15:02 (two years ago)

why did Hunter spill coke on the docs?
No one can read with coke on the docs
After a while, we learn from our talks
He did it
Cos we said "no"

linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 28 July 2023 15:07 (two years ago)

In October of last year, the room were the surveillance footage was stored on a server was flooded as the nearby pool was being drained. This was likely after the subpoenaed footage had been turned over to investigators and it doesn’t appear that the server was damaged...the staffer responsible for draining the pool and accidentally flooding the room was none other than Carlos De Oliveira.

This part reminds me of that commercial where the woman tries to trash her ex's beloved SUV by having it pushed off a cliff, but of course the thing rolls over and over and emerges from a cloud of dust unscathed, to the woman's anguished chagrin.

henry s, Friday, 28 July 2023 15:22 (two years ago)

by the way, "the room were the surveillance footage was stored", "didn't want to been recorded"...does WaPo even read these things before they post them?

henry s, Friday, 28 July 2023 15:25 (two years ago)


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