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i played online poker while watching louis theroux in las vegas the other night. it was tops. i pwn3d a bunch of losers on the money table for like $30 and then battled my way through one of those cheapo $5 buy in 10player tournaments and won another $25.

small fish though really. but it made me feel better esp seeing all the addicts on l.t. losing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$s.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 February 2007 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

I watched that too - bizarrely I was just about to start a thread on it (to talk less about the programme and more about the much-noticed similarity between Louis and ILX's very own Jel) but I didn't know where to put it.

I also played poker during it but, after 600 grinding, tedious, painful hands I finished down £35 (though rb and bonus makes it about breakeven). Man I've seldom enjoyed poker so little - but in comparison to all these astonishingly self-deluded idiots (the Roberto Baggio/Toadfish out of Neighbours fellow in particular) I felt like I had a money-printing machine in front of me.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Serendipitous juxtaposition on me table tonight (I am SRSLY):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/biondino/orlysrsly.jpg

Mark C, Thursday, 29 March 2007 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

How's everyone getting on? I am in the biggest (in terms of number of hands played) downswing of my career - 9 buyins down, approximately, though fingers crossed, I seem to be levelling off. I have also moved up, for the most part, to 6max $100NL as my main game, which is tricky and swingy but I feel I am actually progressing - a good session tonight, in terms of gameplay if not profit.

Mark C, Friday, 30 March 2007 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

have you guys been on PKR.COM yet????? looks well good from the adverts..

ken c, Friday, 30 March 2007 07:34 (nineteen years ago)

I signed up for it when it was in beta but it was SO slow I gave up. Also, it's all very well you can laugh, stretch, scratch your balls etc. but isn't all that a bit of a distraction from the game? Maybe if it distracts your opponents then it's all good.

Tell us more, anyway, Ken - it might be unrecognisable from when I last had a go.

Mark C, Friday, 30 March 2007 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

i haven't had a go yet - i saw the flashy advert and downloaded it but haven't yet signed up.

it might be good as an added extra to play mind games with opponents like be cocky and that. and also, perhaps because it's so fancy pansy that the kind of people it will attract are gonna be gullible n00bs i.e. easy money!

ken c, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

I playing a proper person table game tommorow, which will be nice i gave up for a few months got sick of coming fourth in tournaments

secondhandnews, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

David and I went back to Foxwoods a few weeks ago. There was a ton of easy money at our table for the first three or four hours (inc. one tweaky guy between me and Dave who was absolutely bleeding money - straddled every single time R4posa was BB, claimed to have been up for 48 hours, and I believed him), but I was running so card-dead that I couldn't get at any of it; I played well, didn't chase with any of a million mediocre drawing hands, and managed to bluff my way +$80 or so when we broke to eat dinner.

Afterwards, it got a little disastrous - I limped in with pocket threes from UTG+1, three other callers. For some reason, after the 7h7c2h flop, I decided to sell a bluff flush draw the entire way. Turn card was a low heart, I bet big, everybody folded but UTG (super loose/passive, and a little drunk), who called. River was another low heart, UTG checked, I made a pot-sized bet (by now knowing he might have had the flush, but no way he had the nut), UTG called and turned over 8h7s for the eight-high flush. I ran into the guy later, and he said he was "pissed off" that his flopped trip sevens would have lost to a flush draw. 8-7 offsuit from UTG?!

Of course I didn't have anything, but I have no idea what he could have possibly put me on. I asked him afterwards what I could have bet on the river to make him lay it down, and he said he was prepared to go all-in. He didn't seem to be kidding. Calling a $150 river bet with four hearts on the board and eight-high?

I managed to make up what I lost there and a little more playing a bunch of Omaha on Full Tilt; I'm sinking most of <i>that</i> into bracelet races and WSOP super-satellites as we speak. Running about even for the year, but planning on driving back down to Foxwoods on April 15. Are we ever going to get an ilxor game together? I'm not sure exactly how to set up a private SnG on Full Tilt, but I'm totally up for playing in one. (Possible cash game option: figure out how many players are in, agree upon a limit and variation, find an empty table, and all sit down at an agreed-upon time?)

govern yourself accordingly, Saturday, 31 March 2007 04:34 (nineteen years ago)

Hey govern, what was your old-ilx name? I am having real problems keeping up with who's who now.

I was off work yesterday and played 1,500 hands of $100NL. OMG swingy - I was down $300 before I could breath, but managed to calw my way back to +$110. Man that felt good :)

Here's a linky for y'all - I am charting my progress, throwing in a few stats and hands, on this thread on Flopturnriver.com (which srsly you should all join, it's ace), so go have a look and make a comment :)

Mark C, Saturday, 31 March 2007 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.lolrider.com/shutupanddeal.jpg

ken c, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 10:12 (nineteen years ago)

Brilliant poker book = Positively 5th Street by James McManus. Beautifully written, fascinating and involving.

Mark C, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think any book can be more beautiful than one written by Jesse May

ken c, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

What do you know, $25NL donk >:[

Mark C, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

the mcmanus book is awful! he is such a dolt. the much better mcmanus piece was the original harpers one that p5s takes off of. seriously, so so so so so much better.

i could conceivably be down for foxwoods on the 15th. i haven't played in at least two months.

YGS, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

also, us poker peoples, what can i use to deposit money now online? and which sites allow us players?

YGS, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

I doubt y'all watch much WSOP on ESPN, but I think there was some kerfuffle a few years back involving McManus and some dude that looked like the dad of Bubbles from The Wire, w/ McM taking serious umbrage @ Bubs Sr. doing something gauche (checking in the dark or something), & not shutting up about it because That's Not How You Play Poker.

FullTilt still allows US folks, & they have a list of places you can use to transfer money. However, from what I gather, most of these places hit you up w/ serious fees.

David R., Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

It's not awful! It really isn't! Each to his own, mind :)

Yancey (it is Yancey right?) - here's a handy link to US-friendly sites. As for depositing, EPassporte seems to be the best option (though unlike Neteller, it's not free to make transfers), though you can also use things like pre-paid visa cards, some debit cards and then there's workaround methods like having foreigners transfer the money to you (works on sites like FT and Stars, not sure about others).

Remember to either get rakeback sorted (through sites like Rake the Rake or [url=[Removed Illegal Link], both of which I use), or confirm that rakeback isn't possible, before signing up for new sites. Stars doesn't offer rb but Full Tilt does and I think Absolute and UB (which I hear may be merging) do too, and several of the smaller sites still open to US players definitely do. Email me if you want more info etc.

If you have Neteller, then I'd be happy to do a transfer to you direct on a site if you Neteller me the cash. Again, email if you'd be interested.

Mark C, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Second rb site was http://www.rakerebate.net

Mark C, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Update time please! How was April for you? Here's muh graph:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/biondino/April2007.jpg

$100nl is hard. Not impossible hard, but you really need to keep your wits about you. One tilting session can decimate a month's profits; scared play will just see you bleed chips. God knows how higher stakes players don't go crazy.

Mark C, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

what are the blinds for $100nl?

i lost $75 in one bet the other day.. it was great.

ken c, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

$0.50/$1.00, max buyin $100. It's hardly high stakes but it's plenty high enough for me!

The best thing about $100nl is that you clear bonuses, and earn rakeback, relatively quickly. I made about $1,000 last month, and almost two thirds of that was bonus/rb.

Mark C, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

US Online Poker RIP ;_;

(well, not really, but since Neteller went pussmo, I'll be fucked if I'm paying a "handling fee" to have the pleasure of getting donked online.)

David R., Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

oh that'll be why then. i was on what must be $200NL haha when i lost that $75.

ken c, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

If you wanna play in the US, use 10veth4tp0k3r.com -- de-1337ed of course. i'm scrambling the name cos I don't want to get googled because I actually work for this site (full disclosure for the win) and I don't wnat my bosses know where I waste all my time even though they already know because they must be able to see logs or something.

anyway the business model is a subscription-based thing so you don't "add" money so much as you get a daily allowance for a monthly fee. and you cna win money and such. except we're brand new and since we have more investors than sense, it's free for the next couple of months. i know it sounds like a scam, but seriously, there are dudes playing who have just... taken 1000 bux. and not paid anything. plus there are only like... i dunno, let's say 20 to 30 regulars now, so your chances are pretty good.

fyi, i am not trying to advertise. i took a really long time to even decide if i wanted to post this due to the fact that i don't have a neutral point of view (employee and all). but if you'rei n the US and wanna win money... there's that. I guess to be more neutral, i can mention another site that doing it (our competition): b3tz1p.com (de-1337 as well). Believe me if I were trying to advertise I would have posted a real link with a source ID or something... ugh I feel like a heel now.

Will M., Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Shit, I just remembered... are there such things as, like, online poker blogs? Where people talk about the sites and stuff, and not just post the transcripts of hands they won? (There are a fucking lot of the latter and I don't see how they're interesting in ANY way)

Will M., Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

ask mark ;)

ken c, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

(just kidding ;))

ken c, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

Ken wtf are you doing playing $200nl? You know you need at least $5k in your bankroll to justifiably play those stakes, right?

Will, can I drop you an email to discuss your post further?

Online poker blogs - yes, there are. I like Rizen's - he's a high-stakes cash player and MTT genius who came deep in the money in the last WSOP main event, but he's also a really bright, decent guy who writes well.

Or, he says blushing, you can look at my blog and my operation thread over at my favourite poker forum, Flopturnriver.com. I haven't updated the blog while I've been doing my operation thread, but it's got some okay content, I hope. I'd love to know what you think!

Mark C, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah Mark, please hit me with an e-mail :) magacid at gmail, I can give you more info.

Will M., Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Don't let this wonderful thread disappear just yet, you guys

Mark C, Thursday, 3 May 2007 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

I am loving PKR.com! haha, like, i was sceptical at first, but, after the first time you make CHICKEN NOISES at people, you fall in love with it.

oh my god.

the only thing is you need a pretty decent computer for it to work.. my laptop can just about run it on the min spec settings.

ken c, Monday, 28 May 2007 06:32 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I tried it and it was just ridiculously slow. Haven't played it for a while, so they may have ironed out the issues. Have you actually played real money there?

Having a pretty crappy May - am only in the black thanks to bonus and rakeback. $100NL isn't kicking my arse as such, but it's not letting me get a foothold either. Still trying though...

Mark C, Monday, 28 May 2007 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

i've just played STTs there so far!

ken c, Monday, 28 May 2007 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

but with real money

ken c, Monday, 28 May 2007 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

Finished May $100 down on the tables, but $450 up in rakeback and bonus terms. Oh! Just checked my stats and actually I finished UP about $45. Not sure how that happened. Played less than 10,000 hands for the first time this year, but that's okay.

Here's May's graph. Enjoy the mid-month downswing...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/biondino/May2007.jpg

Mark C, Sunday, 3 June 2007 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

I think Ken might have an update for us?

Mark C, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 00:15 (eighteen years ago)

My update (after I started playing again, just in time for the anti-poker legislation to kick in):

- I suck
- I get angry way too easily, and I start sucking as a result
- I should not play when I'm tired, because I get angry
- people suck, and should not be allowed to play poker against me
- STOP CATCHING ACES

David R., Tuesday, 3 July 2007 00:22 (eighteen years ago)

i just won £1000 at some crazy rebuy tournament thing! omg, dudes on TV were there! and they all got pwn3d!

played pretty damn tight at the rebuy stage.. probably strange tactics, but it somehow worked, and won a bunch of chips when i had a hand and guys were playing loose. and with that money somehow survived the endgame and was in the money. amazing.

then it was mental, everyone were on the brink of going out, but doubles through when they go all in, and it went on til like half past midnight and then we got to the end of the highest blinds and we were going to play 3 last hands, with 4 of us left, but when we played the first hand one player went out we were all pretty much even with 2 hands to play, so we just split the money.

amazing. i didn't rebuy at all (but bought an add-on)!

ken c, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 00:36 (eighteen years ago)

Hi Dave!

My update: $1000 profit in June, mainly thanks to bonus/rakeback. Not sure what to do in July, what targets to aim for.

Nice work, Ken :)

Mark C, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 00:38 (eighteen years ago)

did you know all of those people there mark? some of them looked famous

ken c, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 00:45 (eighteen years ago)

I've eaten through $600+ this month, of my money & of bonus deposit money (just like I did the first few months of my online back a few years ago), and it's all I can do to slap myself. Most of that was @ ring tables, tho, which I'm avoiding like the plague (just like I did when hit rock bottom after starting off) - sticking to sit-n-gos of the $10 / $20 persuasion, & some regular old tourneys, until I get back on my feet. Then I will move to Monte Carlo, oil my chest hair, and get buck wild.

That is, until the preznit decides to cap my ass.

Congrats, BTW, Ken! Winning in a rebuy w/out rebuying is the best feeling ever.

David R., Tuesday, 3 July 2007 00:47 (eighteen years ago)

BTW, how awesome is it that foreign countries are pitching a fit @ the US online poker ban!

David R., Tuesday, 3 July 2007 00:48 (eighteen years ago)

it's harsh cos online poker is harder without america :((

ken c, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

Ken, no, I didn't know many of them, and the ones I did know were producers rather than actors/presenters etc (apart from the gregarious H4rd33p K0hl1 who I know a bit). Glad you had fun :)

Mark C, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

I joined a Sunday night game. Tonight will be my 3rd night with this group. Went home broke both previous nights.

But still I'm SO EXCITED about tonight. I love it. There is the bothersome issue of why did I lose all my money the past 2 times, but still I think it's just a matter of time before rise to the top of this field.

These dudes just play it straight. Period. It's funny, but this is actually a bit of a predicament. When you're on a table where you know everyone's playing straight (weak hands are folded, good hands stay in) what's the best strategy? I almost find it easier to play against more daring/colorful players b/c if you're good with reads/tells you can sniff out a bluff... With these guys there's nothing to read, a check is a check and a raise is a raise... hmmph.

wanko ergo sum, Sunday, 22 July 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)

Wanko, if they are playing it straight and tight, then you bet and raise more, both pre- and post-flop, with position being almost more important than cards. Bear in mind that most of their hands WON'T hit on the flop, so you can take down a lot of pots by betting, especially with position.

Equally, you know that when they do bet, or call your bets, you're going to need a good hand to showdown. So play very cautiously in these situations when you have draws or marginal hands, and make decent raises when you have strong hands, especially if they'll call down almost anything with top pair etc.

Play drawing hands in position, make regular semi-bluffs when they show weakness, and if they don't bet enough to take away your odds, you should win a few big pots.

Mark C, Sunday, 22 July 2007 21:10 (eighteen years ago)

Since this thread's back, here's a proposal for you. I am 14 FPPs away from being able to set up private tournaments at Pokerstars, and I want to do an ILX invitational for all the people who post on this thread or would like to play.

I have a list of 30 or so players who have posted to this thread, so I know there's plenty of possibles. The idea would be to have a nice cheap tourney - $5.50 or $11 I imagine - and just have a laugh.

I chose Stars because it's open to anyone in the world, and is the biggest site currently operating, so if you don't already have an account you can quickly and easily make one.

I was thinking of emailing people rather than posting on this thread, but I'll do that too :)

So, what do you think? Let me know if you'd be up for it!

Mark C, Sunday, 22 July 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

Wanko, if you fancy chatting on messenger about poekr I'm always up for that - drop me an email.

Mark C, Sunday, 22 July 2007 21:26 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks, Mark. I haven't studied Hold 'em formally to any degree yet, and I really don't know about positions and those dynamics (I guess it's sort of apparent, but I haven't given much thought to it). I'm going to start reading up. ESPN doesn't go into much strategy.

Count me in for ILX tourney.

wanko ergo sum, Sunday, 22 July 2007 21:34 (eighteen years ago)


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