Definitely question some bits of that Stanayova tweet like the certainty of Wagner being eliminated quickly had they actually reached Moscow and engaged in battle with Russian forces routinely described as inferior to them, given also the support for Wagner in Rostov. But yeah can't otherwise explain the about turn.
― nashwan, Sunday, 25 June 2023 20:27 (ten months ago) link
i mean wagner did not have very many guys, idk how long it wouldve taken russia to get their act together to take them out but one would think they couldve done it, however did russia want to have a russian on russian battle in moscow no of course not
― lag∞n, Sunday, 25 June 2023 20:30 (ten months ago) link
Probably just annoyed that her credence regarding Putin's supposed shrewdness in all this is accurate tbh
― nashwan, Sunday, 25 June 2023 20:30 (ten months ago) link
putin is def shrewd you dont get to be putin if youre not shrewd
― lag∞n, Sunday, 25 June 2023 20:31 (ten months ago) link
It's overstated tho, as we can readonably surmise from... *gestures at most things*
― nashwan, Sunday, 25 June 2023 20:35 (ten months ago) link
Dude may be cunning/shrewd but let’s not go overboard saying he’s even smart. Dude got the country into an unwinnable unpopular war.
― Crabber B. Munson (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 25 June 2023 20:38 (ten months ago) link
sure hes human he makes mistakes but as far as working your way up from nothing to a 25 year run as the dictator of a major country you can only tip your cap
― lag∞n, Sunday, 25 June 2023 20:40 (ten months ago) link
tragic that he fucked up so bad trying to put the feather in his cap
― lag∞n, Sunday, 25 June 2023 20:44 (ten months ago) link
broadly some possibilities
1 weak desperate move that prigoz barely got out of alive
2 plan coordinated with sympathetic elites to weaken putin
3 solo attack via which he extracted major future concessions
― lag∞n, Sunday, 25 June 2023 bookmarkflaglink
Logical set of possibilities. Powerful.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 25 June 2023 21:07 (ten months ago) link
I’m seeing so many dumb theories on Twitter about this. It’s watching the first season of True Detective again.
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Sunday, 25 June 2023 21:18 (ten months ago) link
i personally wouldnt get mad if someone didnt like a tweet i posted, thats their choice if they dont like a tweet
― lag∞n, Sunday, 25 June 2023 21:20 (ten months ago) link
I am a logic enjoyer now. It's the truth.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 25 June 2023 21:24 (ten months ago) link
you can't logic here it's the noosphere room
― nashwan, Sunday, 25 June 2023 21:29 (ten months ago) link
important statements incoming
The Kremlin said Putin will “make a series of important statements” tonight— Pjotr Sauer (@PjotrSauer) June 26, 2023
― lag∞n, Monday, 26 June 2023 18:30 (ten months ago) link
"Success. I goaded the Pigman, drew him out of his lair, now he is in the pen, awaiting further instruction. I have folded his troops into mine, and I only have to pay them regular pay, with 0 trouble about what was 'owed' Pigman. I have also noted the generals who were so very easy to use as goads. All For Holy MotherFatherland Russia!"
― dow, Monday, 26 June 2023 18:47 (ten months ago) link
xpost Finally telling us his favorite Steely Dan songs.
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Monday, 26 June 2023 18:47 (ten months ago) link
BREAKING: “Putin will emit a series of sounds through his talk-hole tonight”.
― Crabber B. Munson (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 26 June 2023 18:53 (ten months ago) link
He's going to take credit for Havana Syndrome
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Monday, 26 June 2023 18:56 (ten months ago) link
Also looking for a new kremlin catering director
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 26 June 2023 18:57 (ten months ago) link
confirms spurs are ready to consider making an "important bid" for james maddison
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Monday, 26 June 2023 19:07 (ten months ago) link
BREAKING: Belarusian President Aleksandr Lukashenko will also deliver a statement tonight, after Putin announced one as well— BNO News (@BNONews) June 26, 2023
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 26 June 2023 19:09 (ten months ago) link
which one will be holding Progozhin's head?
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Monday, 26 June 2023 19:11 (ten months ago) link
seriously, I bet Putin's statement will just be about how he's still in charge, and there's nothing to worry about, and full speed ahead with the war!
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Monday, 26 June 2023 19:13 (ten months ago) link
and also full mobilization of military aged men
He said the organizers of the rebellion will be brought to justice but, other than that, a whole lot of nothing.
― Renaissance of the Celtic Trumpet (Tom D.), Monday, 26 June 2023 19:16 (ten months ago) link
Maybe he meant they'll be brought to this chap, for, I dunno, rapping classes?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/p74ToBQnIis/sddefault.jpg
― shite hawk down (Matt #2), Monday, 26 June 2023 19:24 (ten months ago) link
No justice, no мир
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Monday, 26 June 2023 19:29 (ten months ago) link
lol Lukashenko statement already nixed
― nashwan, Monday, 26 June 2023 19:44 (ten months ago) link
Prigozhin was rumoured to have been spotted at the Green City hotel in Minsk on Monday, according to the Russian news channel Brief. A receptionist at the hotel contacted by the Guardian said she “could not share any information” about guests.
Brillant investigation tactics
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 26 June 2023 20:33 (ten months ago) link
I’m going to call reception and asks them for a list of guests.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 26 June 2023 20:34 (ten months ago) link
I have a friend in Minskwho has a friend in Pinks
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Monday, 26 June 2023 21:00 (ten months ago) link
dammit PINSK
rochelle, rochelle
― scanner darkly, Monday, 26 June 2023 21:36 (ten months ago) link
maybe he's back in the hotel's kitchen, starting all over again
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 26 June 2023 22:03 (ten months ago) link
gonna put him in a hot dog costume in a hot dog car
― nashwan, Monday, 26 June 2023 22:15 (ten months ago) link
I was just hearing that Prigozhin was cheered in the streets, en route to Moscow as well as during his expulsion to Belarus
That has to be sort troubling for Putin
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 26 June 2023 22:18 (ten months ago) link
you don't have to putin the red light
― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 26 June 2023 22:19 (ten months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/UJOuqff.jpgJust 5 guys and some portable gates , nbd
― calstars, Monday, 26 June 2023 22:35 (ten months ago) link
rochelle, rochelleyou don't have to putin the red light
― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 26 June 2023 22:19 (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
nice
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Monday, 26 June 2023 22:52 (ten months ago) link
wagner fights for moneyyou don’t care if it’s wrong or if it’s right
― slugbuggy, life has new meaning to me (breastcrawl), Monday, 26 June 2023 23:33 (ten months ago) link
less thinktank CYA from startled people making like it was obvious all along; more stories like this
Among the greatest quotes in @Reuters' long history:'"Everyone shat themselves badly," said one source with knowledge of the thinking at the top levels of the Russian business and political elites..."Anyone with anything to lose was extremely tense" https://t.co/SiNOTZcKfr https://t.co/eE5Gy6lgsw— Shashank Joshi (@shashj) June 28, 2023
― mark s, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 16:39 (ten months ago) link
guess it was a coup
Two sources tell the Moscow Times that Army General Surovikin was placed under arrest. https://t.co/VlZCBm4qVP— Rob Lee (@RALee85) June 28, 2023
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 19:59 (ten months ago) link
I heard he was a bit of a big-head
― calzino, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 20:34 (ten months ago) link
Johnny Too Bald
― calstars, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 20:55 (ten months ago) link
You’re gonna run to the Rostov for rescue, there will be no Rostov
― Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 23:54 (ten months ago) link
Not sure if this has already been shared, but I didn't realise until yesterday it was outside the paywall. The maps are very helpful and it's updated regularly:
Ukraine’s counteroffensive against Russia in maps — latest updates
Also a minor point from way upthread on a question calz asked about troop recognition during Prigozhin's thunder run. Apparently the only thing that separated troop ID was that Wagner Group had put duck tape around their armband insignia's identifying them as Russian troops. It was very difficult to tell the difference in other words. One critical area of uncertainty was whether troops were letting WG troops through because sympathetic or because of confusion due to delay in command and control processes letting troops know the situation. That probably goes into a box marked 'retrospectively unknowable until historical analysis can be applied'.
Someone asked me why i was maintaining an interest in this (other than major area of global current affairs ofc). I think it's the fascination of what trench warfare in a digital age looks like, well captured in the wonderful New Yorker piece with images like the foxhole lit by LEDs, and this week's Economist special report on electronic warfare, with the overall observation that precision cannot substitute for mass, even while it changes the dynamics of the theatre.
It's that grafting of transformative technology onto the mud. Also something like the Prighozin saga, quite irrelevant in many respects, feels like it could have come out of a piece of history from any time since Homer. Seeing it play out in real time has fascination.
It's tragic and ugly and many many people are dying, injured and having their lives bent and twisted out of shape by the violence of the invasion, but there is the grotesque grafting of the future and the past taking place as well.
― Fizzles, Thursday, 6 July 2023 14:48 (ten months ago) link
lmao
Russian security forces leak photos from the personal album of Yevgeny Prigozhin. pic.twitter.com/cM8oeBYJQD— Clash Report (@clashreport) July 5, 2023
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 July 2023 15:01 (ten months ago) link
Been spending most my life serving in an Amish mercenary group
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Thursday, 6 July 2023 15:11 (ten months ago) link
interesting
No way: “Prigozhin’s continued presence in Russia was confirmed by a St. Petersburg businessman, who said the Wagner boss had returned home to reclaim money and weapons seized by the Russian security services.”https://t.co/4V3WjlMxrV— Richard Seymour (@leninology) July 6, 2023
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 July 2023 15:31 (ten months ago) link
wagner apparently still recruiting in russia too
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 July 2023 15:32 (ten months ago) link