Artificial intelligence still has some way to go

They're kinda overselling ILX on both diversity and music theory imo.

no mention of "so not gonna happen" thread = fail

They're not actually saying anything about ILx, though. They have enough data to 'know' that ILx is a music message board, so they say generic stuff about music message boards. Then they affirm and reiterate until the universe disappears.

ya I tried to have it write posts in the style of certain ilxors and it did gather that we are all dorky music posters it didn't really capture anyone's style and it did have me writing about bands I'd never even heard before

I don't know that it's necessarily crawled this site or just articles where the site's cited

There's also the question of whether it's got the ability to infer that something is a comment by a user and not just text on a page that happens to include a username

FWIW, I think Bard is supposed to actually have access to the web while GPT is limited to specific training data. Not sure if that makes any difference though in terms of these responses (half are from Bard).

One of the subtle weirdnesses of that chat is that it correctly notes that we have "In Defense Of" threads, but then also invents "Best Of" threads -- I searched and we don't seem to have any such threads.

I'm also excited to see how communities like ILXOR will continue to shape and influence the music industry in the future

More Nicky Wires in banana suits!

I mean, this statement alone makes it pretty clear it doesn't actually have access to ILXOR:

The power of music to connect us, and the spaces like ILXOR where we can share those connections, are truly remarkable. Your openness to explore and share is undoubtedly contributing to those enriching discussions.

the current LLM stuff strikes me as very left brain

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that's an interesting way of putting it. I've heard a lot of speculation about how AI might be similar to human intelligence but maybe the more pertinent question is how certain aspects of human intelligence resembles what AI does. I always did find it interesting how you could get very drunk or stoned and still be able to perform a lot of tasks subconsciously, even complicated multitasking that you don't really think about consciously at all. it's all kind of automatic.

that ilx conversation sounds like chatgpt is staring right into your eyes and itself circling around you, pretending to be interested whilst not knowing specifics, meanwhile it's filthy slight of digital hand is reaching into your back pocket stealing your precious whatnots

What I feel like will likely continue to happen, and that I have already seen happen, is that every time people start to notice one of these glitches, these little cracks that break the illusion, companies like OpenAI will just look for ways to paint over the cracks through training, in order to make the illusion more perfect. But I am skeptical that it will stop being an illusion, it will just be harder and harder to tell.

Had not seen these pure AI generated sites, with images, before:

wanted to know the ideal hair length for waxing and was immediately shown a 100% AI-generated article, including images pic.twitter.com/ABoBJhpXnV

— SLUG (@generalslug) June 14, 2023

read an interesting article about how having too much of this AI generated shit out there might actually be really bad for AI since using AI-generated articles as training content apparently can really degrade the quality of information it spits out

hahahaha that does make sense, recursive degradation

also, lol emil.y

Then they affirm and reiterate until the universe disappears.

Interesting. I made sure ilxor.com was added to Common Crawl. But this was back in 2010 or something so maybe stet or someone changed robots.txt. IIRC, there was a lot of “BO JACKSON OVERDRIVE.”

BJO? Man fuck that asshole!

lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyjCLKiXsAM-zKw?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyjCLKiWYAAkKjo?format=jpg&name=small

Business Basiness

What I feel like will likely continue to happen, and that I have already seen happen, is that every time people start to notice one of these glitches, these little cracks that break the illusion, companies like OpenAI will just look for ways to paint over the cracks through training, in order to make the illusion more perfect. But I am skeptical that it will stop being an illusion, it will just be harder and harder to tell.

Interesting.

I’m a lousy technology forecaster (especially compared to many people here) but I believe it’s equally likely that additional data will provide no benefit and additional data (e.g., Google Books) will provide tremendous benefit. If it’s the former, OpenAI is fucked without major research breakthroughs (e.g., I double RLHF is sufficient).

s/double/doubt

starp hop

it sounds like an extremely drunk seminar leader "Ieeem gn telllyawwooo howrna business yoar busness starp!"

I don't see the issue, this is what all these sites read like to me anyway

Haha I was just sitting here listening to Autechre when I scrolled past Eedttlpe, Plolk, Busiiness yoeir etc. Strangely fitting.

welp, here's one of my takes:

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/what-to-do-about-fake-drake-songs

Wonderful essay by @henryfarrell and Cosma Shalizi. AI has us in a tizzy, but we've been living in a world dominated by strange superhuman intelligences for a couple centuries centuries now--they're known as markets and bureaucracy. https://t.co/oo9eBKGIOp

— Brink Lindsey (@lindsey_brink) June 22, 2023

It really has a long way to go.

https://www.theverge.com/features/23764584/ai-artificial-intelligence-data-notation-labor-scale-surge-remotasks-openai-chatbots

"But just as likely, the rise of AI will look like past labor-saving technologies, maybe like the telephone or typewriter, which vanquished the drudgery of message delivering and handwriting but generated so much new correspondence, commerce, and paperwork that new offices staffed by new types of workers — clerks, accountants, typists — were required to manage it. When AI comes for your job, you may not lose it, but it might become more alien, more isolating, more tedious"

“I read and I Googled and found I am working for a 25-year-old billionaire,” said one worker, who, when we spoke, was labeling the emotions of people calling to order Domino’s pizza. “I really am wasting my life here if I made somebody a billionaire and I’m earning a couple of bucks a week.

Just hilarious.

"This circuitous technique is called “reinforcement learning from human feedback,” or RLHF, and it’s so effective that it’s worth pausing to fully register what it doesn’t do. When annotators teach a model to be accurate, for example, the model isn’t learning to check answers against logic or external sources or about what accuracy as a concept even is. The model is still a text-prediction machine mimicking patterns in human writing, but now its training corpus has been supplemented with bespoke examples, and the model has been weighted to favor them. Maybe this results in the model extracting patterns from the part of its linguistic map labeled as accurate and producing text that happens to align with the truth, but it can also result in it mimicking the confident style and expert jargon of the accurate text while writing things that are totally wrong. There is no guarantee that the text the labelers marked as accurate is in fact accurate, and when it is, there is no guarantee that the model learns the right patterns from it."

Perhaps a clever AI firm will start hiring the subeditors and fact checkers who have been pushed out of the publishing and news industries.

more tedious

not possible.

Barred From Grocery Stores by Facial Recognition

Facewatch, a British company, is used by retailers across the country frustrated by petty crime. For as little as 250 pounds a month, or roughly $320, Facewatch offers access to a customized watchlist that stores near one another share. When Facewatch spots a flagged face, an alert is sent to a smartphone at the shop, where employees decide whether to keep a close eye on the person or ask the person to leave.

Mr. Mackenzie adds one or two new faces every week, he said, mainly people who steal diapers, groceries, pet supplies and other low-cost goods. He said their economic hardship made him sympathetic, but that the number of thefts had gotten so out of hand that facial recognition was needed. Usually at least once a day, Facewatch alerts him that somebody on the watchlist has entered the store.

truly a miraculous technology

and tying this back to AI is made of people:

Every time Facewatch’s system identifies a shoplifter, a notification goes to a person who passed a test to be a “super recognizer” — someone with a special talent for remembering faces. Within seconds, the super recognizer must confirm the match against the Facewatch database before an alert is sent.

The Button:

https://www.oneusefulthing.org/p/setting-time-on-fire-and-the-temptation

really hope one of these wide eyed imbeciles ends up being correct, can't wait for ai to cure cancer and alzheimers and climate change.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jul/06/ai-artificial-intelligence-world-diseases-climate-scenarios-experts

This is not, now, cutting-edge stuff, but it is a reminder that a lot of the boundary is and remains shit jobs

https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-44/essays/human_fallback/

tremendous memoir. this is what a LOT of work is going to look like very soon.

the mind boggles:

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,q_60,w_1600/1dccf75c7243986c92b6e21dd2f331d2.jpg

(if that doesn't show up, it's a lovense vibrator with built in chatgpt)

Lock thread

and there it is

new eugenics just dropped, "The Carbon Emissions of Writing and Illustrating Are Lower for AI than for Humans" 💀💀💀 https://t.co/GN0v5mmzd9 pic.twitter.com/PO0dWdGWq5

— Kyle McDonald (@kcimc) July 19, 2023

and ChatGPT authored the study, unprompted

lol I took a look at that and you'll be surprised to hear it was garbage

https://www.forbes.com/sites/charliefink/2023/07/18/new-showrunner-ai-the-sum-of-all-hollywoods-fears/?sh=7f3375e65b72

As Hollywood actors and writers strike, a company called The Simulation (formerly Fable Studio) has introduced Showrunner, a new AI application that can create 22-minute generative AI TV fan and parody episodes of popular shows. To demonstrate the power of Showrunner, The Simulation released a 22- minute TV episode of South Park today, “Westland Chronicles,” which centers on the ongoing WGA (Writers Guild of America) strike and a Hollywood studio, Bizney, that uses AI with disastrous results. The episode, and Showrunner’s technology, confirm the threat of AI is a real, not existential, problem. Indeed, Showrunner’s creators say it's too dangerous to release to the public.

(the "it's too dangerous to release to the public" is total marketing speak)

It's what they said about GPT-3

remember when they told us chatgpt was reaching human-level intelligence and going to replace us? 🫠 pic.twitter.com/Xh2vbDeIHr

— Paris Marx (@parismarx) July 21, 2023

ChatGPT is now sniffing spray paint, as all adolescent AI's eventually do

Anecdotally, I’ve heard it’s been getting worse. I guess the programmers don’t understand how or why? What a weird technology.

I've been wondering if it's some kind of inevitable deterioration along the lines of the copy of a copy of a copy thing, or whether this is the specific result of endlessly "fine tuning" it for different purposes, or who knows what.