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generated garbage, yes

mh, Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:07 (three years ago)

I was confused by the lack of obvious ads, but it's all amazon affiliate links on a number of the pages

mh, Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:08 (three years ago)

b-but

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koogs, Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:19 (three years ago)

Liam sounds cool

mh, Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:47 (three years ago)

fun recipe requirements: velveeta and a butane torch finish

Enumerated funks of Walsh, Joe. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 June 2023 18:08 (three years ago)

filename or fileName?

anything as long as it's not hungarian notation

butch wig (diamonddave85), Thursday, 8 June 2023 19:21 (three years ago)

path_name surely

mh, Thursday, 8 June 2023 20:35 (three years ago)

if you can't choose between them go with path_Name

ledge, Thursday, 8 June 2023 20:45 (three years ago)

Path_Name

mh, Thursday, 8 June 2023 20:46 (three years ago)

path-name

butch wig (diamonddave85), Thursday, 8 June 2023 20:47 (three years ago)

"path" and "name" are both types, and i too oppose hungarian notation, so i would recommend "x"

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Thursday, 8 June 2023 20:47 (three years ago)

path-name

โ€• butch wig (diamonddave85), Thursday, June 8, 2023 3:47 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Friday, 9 June 2023 00:16 (three years ago)

Isn't this a FE/BE distinction? Javascript stans would go with camel cased, everyone else would go with snake case (personally I'd prefer pathname).

Cashews Everything Around Me (Leee), Friday, 9 June 2023 00:21 (three years ago)

what is a "path name" anyway? it's just "path".

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Friday, 9 June 2023 03:27 (three years ago)

I frequently assign a path to 'dirname', which is very bad.

Enumerated funks of Walsh, Joe. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 9 June 2023 03:38 (three years ago)

pathname is an entire path including the filename
as opposed to filename which is the filename part

path, to me, suggests the pathname without the filename

(don't get me started on aws s3 library that expects bucket and key)

this is java, so camelCase. does always raise questions when part of the name is something like API or URL or AWS or SQS or SNS though.

koogs, Friday, 9 June 2023 08:21 (three years ago)

path-name

easier to type, harder to c+p

ledge, Friday, 9 June 2023 08:29 (three years ago)

Surely that was a joek answer.

CeeLรด Borges (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 June 2023 13:09 (three years ago)

https://www.theserverside.com/definition/Kebab-case

ledge, Friday, 9 June 2023 13:29 (three years ago)

Thanks.

Note that in python, options specified by kebab-case will be converted to snake_case in the actual code iirc.

CeeLรด Borges (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 June 2023 13:47 (three years ago)

(don't get me started on aws s3 library that expects bucket and key)

object storage does NOT have folders no matter how much they make it look like it!

mh, Friday, 9 June 2023 14:09 (three years ago)

due to interoperability with file systems, you might end up with a prefix in object storage which may look like a path but it's not!

mh, Friday, 9 June 2023 14:11 (three years ago)

path/name
path--name
path__name
path:name
path;name;
pathโ€ฆnauseum

Chewshabadoo, Friday, 9 June 2023 15:27 (three years ago)

^ Arenโ€™t folders in a lot of file-systems also an abstraction that doesnโ€™t actually exist?

Chewshabadoo, Friday, 9 June 2023 15:27 (three years ago)

pathAndFileNameCombinedWithOperatingSystemAppropriatePathSeparatorIncludingOptionalFileExtension

o. nate, Friday, 9 June 2023 15:35 (three years ago)

ThreadSelectedControllerServlet

ledge, Friday, 9 June 2023 15:39 (three years ago)

LOL

butch wig (diamonddave85), Friday, 9 June 2023 15:46 (three years ago)

it's all fake, but you can generally have folders with zero files in them

an object store prefix can't have no values, so you end up with zero byte files to hold them when you sync in an empty directory

mh, Friday, 9 June 2023 15:54 (three years ago)

object storage does NOT have folders no matter how much they make it look like it!

โ€• mh, Friday, June 9, 2023 10:09 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

windows path separators to thread

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:18 (three years ago)

Well, I got laid off today. Have to remember how to update my resume.

Cashews Everything Around Me (Leee), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 00:20 (two years ago)

Ugh, sorry.

Holly Godarkbloom (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 00:23 (two years ago)

sorry to hear that, Lee

mh, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 02:40 (two years ago)

Sorry to hear that, man

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 12:30 (two years ago)

Sorry Lee. I'm trying to return to software after a ten-year absence and it seems my timing couldn't be worse

Vinnie, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 14:51 (two years ago)

Welcome to the party, Leee! :/

sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 16:11 (two years ago)

ooof

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 18:31 (two years ago)

Thanks everyone, this is the first time I've gotten caught up in mass layoffs, so I'm trying to figure out what I should be doing, aside from stuffing my face with comfort food.

Cashews Everything Around Me (Leee), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 20:53 (two years ago)

Nah you're doing it right

Vinnie, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 21:19 (two years ago)

I've got a couple Udemy courses that I've let lapse -- React and Docker -- and so I'm getting back on that to see if that'll help me in my upcoming round of applications (I see a LOT of positions that are looking for fullstack). But of course, it's one thing to follow along with the lectures, and another thing when you need to do something in a real-world environment (I have managed to create Redis and Elasticsearch containers, but fully dockerized web apps have been beyond my grasp).

Cashews Everything Around Me (Leee), Friday, 23 June 2023 22:16 (two years ago)

All the positions right now seem to be looking for Senior devs.

sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 23 June 2023 22:34 (two years ago)

three weeks pass...

I dunno if this reflects any larger trends in the industry, but in my last round of interviewing (around 2021), I don't remember doing many/any take-home assignments, with I think 2-3 rounds of technical challenges, most of which focused on design questions (as opposed to "manipulate strings, arrays, or data structures").

This time, I've been interviewing for about 3 weeks, and I've already done one take-home with another one that I have to reserve time for, I've done two technical challenges, both of which have involved string/array manipulation. And, although I haven't gotten that far yet, there seems to be closer to 4-5 rounds of interviews for any given position.

Last of the Mojitos (Leee), Friday, 14 July 2023 02:47 (two years ago)

I love take-homes. I am not great at recalling terminology, even for concepts I understand well, so I've flubbed some of those answers in past interviews. Take-home is more similar to the real work and I'm much better at that, even under time pressure

Like you Leee, I've been at my search for three weeks now. Out of 40ish applications, only one response, but thankfully it led to an interview and a soon-to-be second interview and seems promising. Just rejections or silence otherwise. I do think I need to change up a few things with the way I'm searching though. And I feel like every listing I see wants experience with Docker so I'll be heading to Udemy for a course soon too

Vinnie, Friday, 14 July 2023 12:20 (two years ago)

docker is just a fancy vm, right? so that's like asking 'are you good with installing / configuring computers?' does it even say what is running within docker?

the whole dev-ops thing annoys me. used to be two separate jobs taking 100% of someone's expertise. now someone who can code a bit is expected to also know, for example, how to secure a webserver for a national company or how to tune a filesystem for many small files.

koogs, Friday, 14 July 2023 12:39 (two years ago)

Vinnie, I dread take homes, because for me they take a lot of time and energy. That said, I've actually been making a dent in my Udemy course on Docker and Kubernetes!

And yes, Docker is a modern version of a VM, which, even though I'm not good at it, is a lot easier and faster to set up than whatever Oracle's solution is, namely because Docker containers are usually built on a pared down Linux image.

(Of the job listings that I'm seeing that I have to pass on applying for because I lack the qualifications, it feels like they're usually full stack, and looking specifically for React on the front end.)

Last of the Mojitos (Leee), Friday, 14 July 2023 14:09 (two years ago)

I haven't been getting callbacks

sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 14 July 2023 17:25 (two years ago)

:( Whiney. Spray and pray is unfortunately/probably the most reliable method -- it's a number's game -- unless you're willing to hit up former colleagues and ask them, which I haven't done ~yet~ because that seems overly mercenary and transactional. But if this drags out I'm more than willing to swallow my pride.

I just finished a 2-hour take-home, and my brain is totally exhausted. I have another phone screen in a couple hours, yippee. :\

Last of the Mojitos (Leee), Friday, 14 July 2023 17:41 (two years ago)

:( Whiney. Spray and pray is unfortunately/probably the most reliable method -- it's a number's game -- unless you're willing to hit up former colleagues and ask them, which I haven't done ~yet~ because that seems overly mercenary and transactional. But if this drags out I'm more than willing to swallow my pride.

Why? I always like helping former co-workers.

Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 14 July 2023 18:07 (two years ago)

Because it feels nakedly self-serving to me! I know, I should get over that feeling.

Last of the Mojitos (Leee), Friday, 14 July 2023 20:06 (two years ago)

you should!

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Friday, 14 July 2023 20:33 (two years ago)

FWIW, my best jobs have been found via former co-workers. And I definitely try to help folks who are good and reach out.

xpost I feel compelled to speak up for devops. My experience is that for services you either need to do a devops model (end to end ownership) or a SRE model (professionalized ownership with a seat at the table). In the late 90s and early 2000s, I saw many shops that had a clear distinction between development engineers and "ops" folks. The situation often devolved because the ops folks were not empowered to request the things they needed to make the software operate reliably, so they always got blamed and couldn't do anything about it. Meanwhile, the development engineers just looked down on the ops folks. If you want stuff to work, you just can't do that.

Now, as you grow as a company, it really does make sense to have oncall be split to teams that can handle it during their working hours for the most valuable services, and so that ends up being separate teams from the development team. But these oncall teams basically need the ability to have input into the system design and the roadmap in order to be effective. They need to be able to tell the development team "no".

So yeah these days that probably means you need to know k8 or some basic AWS stuff. That's OK, there's lots of resources on that and I've found it really enlightening and challenging.

fajita seas, Friday, 14 July 2023 23:26 (two years ago)


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