Martin Amis: fire away!

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I think it says as much about the address books of broadsheet culture editors as it does about a particular writer's appeal. I imagine Kevin Barry could write something interesting too.

Piedie Gimbel, Monday, 22 May 2023 11:34 (one year ago) link

heh -- I wondered whether to bother with The Information.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 May 2023 12:00 (one year ago) link

Punchline here is pretty funny though.

The Information (1995) was notable not so much for its critical success, but for the scandals surrounding its publication. The enormous advance of £500,000 (almost US$800,000) demanded and subsequently obtained by Amis for the novel attracted what the author described as "an of hostility" from writers and critics

Cathy Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 22 May 2023 12:04 (one year ago) link

I'll stan for *The Information*. It's ugly in the usual Amis ways but has a horrible dark energy about it and mostly punches up/sideways.

And he spent most of the advance on his teeth, right? He came in for some weird extended criticism about this iirr? I mean, sure, bougie in the extreme to spend vast amounts on cosmetic surgery but the dude did have a tumour removed.

Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Monday, 22 May 2023 12:05 (one year ago) link

An what of hostility?

michel goindry (wins), Monday, 22 May 2023 12:06 (one year ago) link

Eisteddfod, turns out

michel goindry (wins), Monday, 22 May 2023 12:09 (one year ago) link

Oh, hyperlink broke zing, sorry.

But I thought you were making a Lucky Jim reference.

Cathy Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 22 May 2023 12:10 (one year ago) link

To this famous passage:

In considering this strangely neglected topic,’ it began. This what neglected topic? This strangely what topic? This strangely neglected what?

Cathy Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 22 May 2023 12:13 (one year ago) link

This Eisteddfod of what?

Cathy Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 22 May 2023 12:13 (one year ago) link

The teeth, yes.

Cathy Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 22 May 2023 12:15 (one year ago) link

Alfred and Chinaski, I suspect The Information would feel dated if one picked it up today.

Personally I think its treatment of diversity and inclusion might have seemed wry and perhaps vaguely satirical at the time, but would clang pretty badly in the current "war against woke" DeSantis era.

(Particularly thinking of the gag where a stable of "diverse" writers includes a Deaf writer as well as an British literary/experimental novelist. Maybe I am magnifying that in the distorted lens of memory.)

she works hard for the monkey (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 22 May 2023 12:16 (one year ago) link

David Lodge was traumatized by London Fields Booker Prize incident? And Angela Carter was also excluded?

Cathy Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 22 May 2023 12:25 (one year ago) link

I didn't much like The Information but mostly remember shaking my head at the v. 90s here-comes-the-science-bit bits.

woof, Monday, 22 May 2023 12:30 (one year ago) link

Oh, Lodge says Angela Carter was not excluded, she didn’t publish anything that year.

Cathy Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 22 May 2023 12:30 (one year ago) link

"His essays on Larkin ... were vital exercises in holding back the mob when Larkin’s reputation was in the dock." The mob? Really?https://t.co/v5WKDqz2zA

— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) May 22, 2023

xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 May 2023 12:37 (one year ago) link

in what exercises holding back the mob? vital exercises what the mob? vital exercises holding back the what?

mark s, Monday, 22 May 2023 12:40 (one year ago) link

vital court security officers

woof, Monday, 22 May 2023 12:46 (one year ago) link

Holding back Tom Paulin.

Piedie Gimbel, Monday, 22 May 2023 12:57 (one year ago) link

coventry crown court, Judge Roughneck yelling 'Take him away'

woof, Monday, 22 May 2023 13:01 (one year ago) link

Anne of Eisteddfod, Patron Saint of Teeth

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 22 May 2023 13:16 (one year ago) link

It doesn't feel like that gen of British authors is being read with as much enthusiasm as Zadie Smith this century.

Are any of Smith's novels as good as her debut? I managed to finish Autograph Man and NW and thought both were a mess compared to White Teeth. Her essays are good.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 22 May 2023 13:18 (one year ago) link

xp huh that’s funny you should say that. I’m sure I’ve said before that I don’t really know his work at all but one of the reasons I get major bullshitter vibes off him is from the piece he wrote when Ballard died. It was iirc mainly a personal remembrance and fine, quite touching even, but I’ll never forget the thudding wrongness when he got around to the work and praised the “creaminess” of JGB’s prose(!)

― michel goindry (wins), Sunday, 21 May 2023 bookmarkflaglink

There is always another POV:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/may/22/martin-amis-literature-crusader-peers-chutzpah

We repeated the exercise barely three months later when another of his great heroes and friends, JG Ballard, died. This time we made it to over 1,000 words. “Very few Ballardians (who are almost all male) were foolish enough to emulate him. He was sui generis,” Amis enunciated with verbal italics. “What was influential, though, was the marvellous creaminess of his prose, and the weird and sudden expansions of his imagery,” he continued. “Marvellous creaminess”, “weird and sudden expansions” – how did he do that?

xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 May 2023 13:28 (one year ago) link

lmao

michel goindry (wins), Monday, 22 May 2023 13:44 (one year ago) link

*writes clunky and wrong description* it’s like watching a magic trick

michel goindry (wins), Monday, 22 May 2023 13:45 (one year ago) link

Every time someone quotes a sample of Amis' purported verbal wizardry it looks awful. Flipping through the channels this morning, I was surprised to see Amis' lead Morning Joe; but when Ed Luce purred over some banal phrase (becoming a grandfather "is like getting a telegram from the mortuary” or something) and everyone on the panel laughed I just thought, right, they're politicos, what do they know.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 May 2023 13:56 (one year ago) link

*Amis' death lead

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 May 2023 13:56 (one year ago) link

I don't know if Ballard was that influential on other writers. Weird and sudden expansions also doesn't quite do it for me. To have all this be described as the work of a genius...it's Guardian-y culture that had no answers when the cranks came for the UK's membership of the EU.

Meanwhile Ian Penman wrote a pretty good essay on a Chuck Berry biog last week.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 May 2023 13:57 (one year ago) link

The RJ Smith bio.

Cathy Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 22 May 2023 14:22 (one year ago) link

I assume

Cathy Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 22 May 2023 14:23 (one year ago) link

That Smith bio is first-rate.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 May 2023 14:44 (one year ago) link

Are any of Smith's novels as good as her debut? I managed to finish Autograph Man and NW and thought both were a mess compared to White Teeth. Her essays are good.

I liked On Beauty a great deal. The plot is Forster's but it's far away the best attempt at doing this kind of thing I've ever read.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 22 May 2023 15:01 (one year ago) link

I do like her essays and I'd like to read her thinking through Amis. I think weirdly she's the next-gen equivalent - the UK's famous literary novelist.

woof, Monday, 22 May 2023 15:36 (one year ago) link

i think that’s right, tho i don’t think i’d consciously realised it until now. in my head i’ve got a checklist “new yorker”, “young when they made their reputation”, and “essayist/state of the nation novelist”, plus the sense of someone with their hands on the wires of contemporary cultural mores and manners that defines them both. no not you lanchester.

Fizzles, Monday, 22 May 2023 16:15 (one year ago) link

Lol

Cathy Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 22 May 2023 16:17 (one year ago) link

also both good writers ofc. and it’s weird, because at the time it v much felt like MA was a *good* writer. now i can only really stick Money and Experience (which i do think is v good). he *is* a good reviewer, but the didacticism can flatten its subject. it feels simplistic. a martin amis show. his da was the same with books he didn’t like, but not with books he did like, which are by far his best reviews.

from a decent FT piece

His criticism was insightful, cutting, tightly wound, and as much a pleasure to take in as the fiction. His model was the Canadian literary theorist Northrop Frye, and his mode was authority, not ambivalence.

im bored by that, unless it’s wildly creative, abusing-its-position authority. like Empson.

Fizzles, Monday, 22 May 2023 16:21 (one year ago) link

in a different context i was thinking the other day that people are never so unfashionable as when they die.

sure there’s a flare of interest. but people are already sick of you.

Fizzles, Monday, 22 May 2023 16:24 (one year ago) link

that does of course mean there’s a shock, a gasp of breath, when people in their prime are taken from you - chadwick bozeman is jumping into my mind.

Fizzles, Monday, 22 May 2023 16:25 (one year ago) link

or Ronald Reagan

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 May 2023 16:32 (one year ago) link

I often get that feeling of sorrow that the good ones die too soon, while the not-so-good ones just go on and on. Joe Strummer is dead, and Mike Love is still giving interviews.

This is not one of those times.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 22 May 2023 16:37 (one year ago) link

Mild lol at the idea that there is a "mob" of people who are following and/or caring all that much about the relative reputations of authors of English literary fiction in 2023.

she works hard for the monkey (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 22 May 2023 20:51 (one year ago) link

Shame if something happened to that Booker Prize of yours.

Cathy Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 22 May 2023 21:02 (one year ago) link

I've just been thinking about poster Gimbel's statement about Amis's readers, and it's true: anecdotally, some of the most passionate enthusiasts for it I've known have been women.

Like others, I've gone back to THE WAR AGAINST CLICHÉ in the last few days. The amount of good writing in the book review genre that it contains is staggering. The amount of reading he did, also. Three or four reviews of Iris Murdoch in a row and you can see he'd read almost all of her voluminous output, and every time he finds a fresh way to say something that's amused but not contemptuous, sometimes admiring. Page for page - almost 500 - it may be the strongest set of book reviews I've picked up. (Not all of it is reviews - and indeed I suspect that the pieces that aren't reviews are less effective.)

In terms of 'that's dated badly', 'you wouldn't see that in print now', what stands out most recurrently is the use of the word 'queer' for a non-heterosexual, perhaps homosexual, person. One could reflect on this a lot. I won't do so here.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 07:43 (one year ago) link

I suppose it stands out when a het man uses it. Me, I use "queer" to refer to anyone on the scale, preferring it to "LGBGTQ" -- unless it offends someone.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 09:26 (one year ago) link

A racist is called a Prince by the liberal media.

If I accept the mightiness of Bellow & Nabokov it’s partly bc Amis persuaded me, both by the precepts of his criticism & the example of his fiction, which grapples with & overcomes their influence. What I mean is that I liked him better, & trusted him more https://t.co/jvHavN4Eyn

— Neri Zilber (@NeriZilber) May 23, 2023

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 10:06 (one year ago) link

Bad teeth or not, was Amis considered a catch? I watched a couple interviews last night just to be sure and...he looks in most of them like a mackeral-mouthed bounder.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 10:10 (one year ago) link

He was also about 4 foot tall apparently (slight exaggeration).

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 10:12 (one year ago) link

similar proportions to his dad - “the same height sitting down as standing up” as he put it once.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 10:18 (one year ago) link

I think the women of 70s/80s haute bohemian London were def into him but maybe he just really put the effort in.

woof, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 10:20 (one year ago) link

He has been described as having Mick Jagger like looks in one of The Guardian write-ups.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 10:21 (one year ago) link


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