Posts you had second thought about and decided not to post - put them here

That's more accurate. I'd also add "if you listen to top 40 radio" because he's finally crossed over, but I don't expect anyone here to have done that.

Knowing of his existence seems pretty unavoidable to me but I don't know what a few posters who willingly listen to him have to do with the Cave thread of different people who are unlikely to listen to pop bro-country at all, much less the extra racist version of it.

I assume he's a marginally more competent version of this crime against humanity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnujskEgHnY

I think about people like this in a similar way to how I think about Jordan Peterson or Andrew Tate, I know of them primarily because I know they are awful people, and I'd rather not spend a lot of time digging into the details of their awfulness because the more I learn, the worse my life becomes. The world, especially the internet, is far too full of people who thrive on negative attention.

another aspect of this is that I am more interested in learning abt Nick Cave's awful behavior because I have friends who post about him in an adulatory fashion and I want to bring solid arguments to them, whereas nobody in my feed knows or cares abt Wallen except (apparently) some of y'all and like one other person, so I don't need to keep up with his bad behavior.

I'd also add "if you listen to top 40 radio" because he's finally crossed over

In the USA. I had a look at his thread last night and I don't think there's a single post (out of 100 odd) from outside North America.

“British Morgan Wallen fan” is a truly cursed concept.

lol

It's a crap name for a country singer, sounds more like the name of a private equity firm

Also OTM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vooevgm4HIQ

milo, just to yr point about him being unavoidable to you: as others have mentioned, this might be a regional thing. Texas? yeah he’s probably unavoidable. but i live in Philadelphia. i go months without hearing any pop country music in an ambient setting.

It's a crap name for a country singer, sounds more like the name of a private equity firm

― calzino

or a krautrock group

Lol I thought he was a techno/EDM guy when I first read the name which was yesterday

a morgue in Wallsend connects them

Lol I thought he was a techno/EDM guy when I first read the name which was yesterday

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, May 9, 2023 7:09 AM (two hours ago)

hahahah same, except i first read the name (on ilx) two days ago when taking a break from discussing Nick Cave ... y'all know where i live and it's somewhere where one is even less likely to hear pop country music in ambient settings than Philly or Chicago

My sincerest apologies to the ilx community for that completely inappropriate thread derail (as well as the previous two or three completely inappropriate thread derails).

In my defense l, in the moment I thought they were at least a little bit redolent of harmless levity, and therefore amusing. As far as I can tell, no one was really harmed. So... are we cool?

youtube recommended this video to me today, I was wondering if someone on lix who is more knowledgeable than me about such things could tell me if it sounds like the music AI generated (or partially AI generated)? I like it, anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilORIWXDBFg

dance music is all just garbage isn't it, guys? just some fake noises for druggies and weirdos. not real music, no real musicians involved, am I right? guys? you need to do shitty drugs to enjoy this shitty music!!! I know we're all on the same page here, guys!! and all those bullshit different genre names, it's all just shitty fake techno music!! how dare they pretend it's different, it's all the same worthless shit!! everyone who listens to it must be a fucking idiot!!! I'm right aren't I?!?!?

You okay camaraderie?

sorry, bit of a pet peeve you could say

I used to hang out with some American punks who genuinely thought like this and it still drives me up the wall

like make any kind of music with guitars and you'll get at least basic respect

You forgot to add "But Kraftwerk are cool, they're alright..."

acceptable not-guitar music for the mid-90s "punk" world I experienced: Wu-Tang, Aphex Twin/random IDM that was assumed to be Aphex Twin, Atari Teenage Riot, Prodigy (but not the hits)

homophobia, misogyny, and racism is where a lot of the anti-dance and anti-electronic music BS comes from— not much has changed since “Disco Demolition Night”

dance music is all just garbage isn't it, guys? just some fake noises for druggies and weirdos. not real music, no real musicians involved, am I right? guys? you need to do shitty drugs to enjoy this shitty music!!! I know we're all on the same page here, guys!! and all those bullshit different genre names, it's all just shitty fake techno music!! how dare they pretend it's different, it's all the same worthless shit!! everyone who listens to it must be a fucking idiot!!! I'm right aren't I?!?!?

― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length),

when were these savages born?

i thought they went extinct. critically endangered, at the very least.

i do have a friend who has punk roots and plays hardcore, he's allergic to electronic textures but not at all vocal about it. he's the only one though.

I am not saying anyone I know is this far gone now, nor that anyone on here is like this, but there are some underlying hints of it on a certain other thread

I'll confess to tuning some EDM out, if there's not some clear 'pop' hook or something.. but I'm mostly indifferent, not an active hater

Sometimes on the right patio, with the right Aperol spritz, it's the perfect thing

lol

Chunks of it have always been corny and/or repulsive but that's the same of every genre.

xxp i saw that on the other thread but like, electronics were the whole of the landscape for a time, right? making music with "real" instruments felt like a total rejection of popular culture. the pendulum is swinging the other way now but i feel like we've seen both extremes

I kinda felt that way about Suicide... like they were essentially saying "you boring fucks, you're just playing chuck berry riffs!" to their punk cohort.. they were trying to remake their world as something else entirely, and it didn't involve 'rock' and 'riffs'

but suicide are "rock" now

that's the imbalance i see atm which is why C@AL's post was a head scratcher.

bad example but ykwim

Suicide were fairly obviously heavily influenced by 50s rock and roll though.

... the music of Alan Vega's youth in fact.

yeah suicide should be "rock", probably. idk about some other things that are "rock" now, though

yeah Suicide is a bad example but I was just talking about the things they rejected, not what they embraced

(There may actually be another message board out there where this can be re-litigated lol)

acceptable not-guitar music

Fun fact: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart could barely even play guitar

But he was good at tapping...dat ass

lol

Er war Superstar

i understand how it feels to be bored but unless you have something to contribute please don't shit up the menswear thread thx

:( we're supposed to like the way we look

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/4334a0bd1d2c9b310fb979a6b50fd72f8cc3754f/0_0_6463_3880/master/6463.jpg

https://www.theaudiodb.com/images/media/artist/thumb/qsuxwp1364762483.jpg

lol yeah the "I don't know about all those dance genres it were all fields in my day" comments on that thread are pretty eyerollworthy.