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What's going on tonight? Anything? We've been out and about all day at destinations ranging from Promontary Point (at 55th Ave) to Broadway Antiques Market (6130 N. Broadway), quite a range!

n/a (Nick A.), Saturday, 4 March 2006 23:21 (twenty years ago)

Duke/Carolina

Jeff. (Jeff), Saturday, 4 March 2006 23:24 (twenty years ago)

My dream evening: someone, not me, invites the crew to their pad for brews and maybe a movie or something. Low-impact.

n/a (Nick A.), Saturday, 4 March 2006 23:31 (twenty years ago)

Nick, I thought I put my phone number in that e-mail.

Either way.

Apparently this evening we are going to [have dinner? hang out] with B.'s current "fling", who I haven't met yet. I really want Jesse to come along with, otherwise it will be hard to endure.

Casuistry!, Sunday, 5 March 2006 00:03 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to a punk rock show at the Big Horse Lounge (in Wicker Park) in about a half hour, if anyone wants to join me. (I'm not sure what time the band I'm going to see is starting, so I'm just going to go down there and find out.)

jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 5 March 2006 01:23 (twenty years ago)

Will it be loud?

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 5 March 2006 01:41 (twenty years ago)

Not to be completely frustrating, but what you've done here is shown how difficult it is for a woman to get out of an abusive situation in a foreign country, which I already knew about. What you haven't done, unless I am being totally oblivious to something is pasted the parts that explain how it's easier to escape the abusive situation in the native country, and how a greater percentage of women escape such a situation in their native country than they do in the foreign country.

You're not being completely frustating but you are being a little oblivious - what that article describes and what I pasted are the challenges facing foreign-born women who are in the US as mail-order brides when they try to leave abusive relationships IN THE US. Those challenges are not in place for a woman in her native country where she speaks the language, has citizenship, knows other people, and is familiar with the culture and the currency. It does take logic to get from point A to point B, but it's not difficult to figure it out.

Another statistic that might help is to look at the number of mail-order brides who are killed by their husbands (it's in those links posted above). If it's so easy to leave, I doubt they would end up dead - they'd just leave.

I haven't been trying to say that they get married, move to America, land of the free, and suddenly it's all milk and honey for them and they can easily get out of the abusive situation and get the services they need and open a bistro. That is very much NOT what I am saying, but it feels like you're arguing as if that's what I'm saying.

What I'm reading is that you're saying that it is easier for an immigrant woman to leave an abusive relationship once she arrives in the US than it is for that same woman to leave an abusive relationship in her home country. And to be quite blunt, you're wrong. The freedoms here in the land of the free explicitly apply to citizens and not documented immigrants, and explicitly do not apply to immigrants with faulty documents . The services that these women need are few and far between and very difficult to navigate for native born women, much less women with the oft-listed vulnerabilities (as a matter of fact, HR 4437 aka the Sensenbrenner Bill would make it a felony for any individual or organization to assist undocumented immigrants; this would make providing domestic violence services to a woman without legal status a felony).

So, just to summarize - the US is a bad place for women suffering from domestic and gender violence. The US is a bad place for immigrants. The US is a bad place for immigrant women. The US is a really bad place for immigrant women suffering from domestic violence. QED

Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Sunday, 5 March 2006 04:06 (twenty years ago)

I will give you that a woman in an abusive relationship in a theocratic or fundamentalist state (think burkas and honor killings and bride burnings, although those things also happen in immigrant communities right here in the US) is in an even draw with an immigrant woman trafficked into the US who is stuck with her abuser. These bride services offer women from third world countries, but not from theocratic or fundamentalist nations. Women from those countries are generally find themselves in abusive relationships in the US as a result of arranged marriages, debt marriages, or match-maker type brokers rather than the "Bride Warehouse" type on-line women catalogs, which is more what we're talking about. Or more what I was talking about, anyway. Perhaps that is our miscommunication!

Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Sunday, 5 March 2006 04:10 (twenty years ago)

What I'm reading is that you're saying that it is easier for an immigrant woman to leave an abusive relationship once she arrives in the US than it is for that same woman to leave an abusive relationship in her home country. And to be quite blunt, you're wrong. The freedoms here in the land of the free explicitly apply to citizens and not documented immigrants, and explicitly do not apply to immigrants with faulty documents . The services that these women need are few and far between and very difficult to navigate for native born women, much less women with the oft-listed vulnerabilities (as a matter of fact, HR 4437 aka the Sensenbrenner Bill would make it a felony for any individual or organization to assist undocumented immigrants; this would make providing domestic violence services to a woman without legal status a felony).

See, and I really should let this drop, but you're doing the same thing again -- you're saying that A is worse than B, and then you're describing how terrible A is, and I completely agree with you about how terrible A is, (and in fact the whole point of my first comment about how "sadly it might be better" doesn't come across unless you're on the same page about how bad things are in the US -- and we are on the same page there!) but you're not saying how B is better.

Because, for instance, above you refer to deportation as one of the likely bad effects of women trying to get out of their abusive relationship -- which just makes me wonder how much worse it must of have been in their original country!

So, just to summarize - the US is a bad place for women suffering from domestic and gender violence. The US is a bad place for immigrants. The US is a bad place for immigrant women. The US is a really bad place for immigrant women suffering from domestic violence. QED

I have been agreeing with this all along.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 5 March 2006 05:39 (twenty years ago)

Also: Dinner was fine, but it would have been approximately one zillion times better with Jesse. Ah well. We went to some vegan diner in Andersonville. The Chicago Diner, I think it was called?

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 5 March 2006 05:42 (twenty years ago)

I have definitely chosen my favorite episode of "First Person with Errol Morris." Apparently someone agrees with me -- this one episode is available separately from the "complete series" DVD (unless they are all, which I doubt). Please ignore the official Amazon product description -- it's misleading, overly dramatic, and just plain wrong. Anyway. He's this dude with a nearly 200 IQ and more crazy stories than you can count -- like making up fake identities to re-enroll in the 12th grade just to see if he could finally get high school right, or flying a banner over LA with an equation on it that he believes explains something fundamental about the universe (something to do with Planck's hypothesis), or his plan to appear nude in every civic division of the greater Los Angeles area, or his epic battles with the producers of Who Wants to Be A Millionaire, or scarring himself to look more like Conan the Barbarian on Halloween... we were laughing for 20 minutes after the show was over. At first he seems like a huge dork, then a serious OCD sufferer, then a mad genius. There's just no getting your head around this dude. Highlight of my week.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 5 March 2006 06:21 (twenty years ago)

Also: Dinner was fine, but it would have been approximately one zillion times better with Jesse. Ah well. We went to some vegan diner in Andersonville. The Chicago Diner, I think it was called?

-- Casuistry (chri...), March 5th, 2006.

Awwww....I just blushed so hard I bled on my keyboard.

unclejessjess (unclejessjess), Sunday, 5 March 2006 07:06 (twenty years ago)

A Google search on this guy confused me at first. At first I thought, no this can't be the same Rick Rosner. And no, this has got to be a different guy. But read the articles, and yeah, that's him. Crazy fucking genius who now writes jokes for Jimmy Kimmel.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 5 March 2006 07:12 (twenty years ago)

Now go clean that up, Jesse.

Errol Morris is pretty awesome.

Tomorrow, Milwaukee!

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 5 March 2006 07:17 (twenty years ago)

I want to fucking go to fucking Milwaukee! Take me! It'll be one zillion times funner with me!

unclejessjess (unclejessjess), Sunday, 5 March 2006 07:19 (twenty years ago)

Milwaukee does strike me as a place for a romantic gay getaway. But it's true, it will be a zillion times funner with Jesse.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 5 March 2006 07:21 (twenty years ago)

seriously. i'll skip work to go with you to milwaukee.

unclejessjess (unclejessjess), Sunday, 5 March 2006 07:34 (twenty years ago)

c'mon chris. You totally have to take Jesse.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 5 March 2006 07:42 (twenty years ago)

You can be Laverne, and I'll be Shirley.

unclejessjess (unclejessjess), Sunday, 5 March 2006 08:09 (twenty years ago)

"We're gonna do it!"

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 5 March 2006 08:09 (twenty years ago)

Give us any chance, we’ll take it.
Give us any rule, we’ll break it.
We’re gonna make our dreams come true.
Doin’ it our way.

Nothin’s gonna turn us back now,
Straight ahead and on the track now.
We’re gonna make our dreams come true,
Doin’ it our way.

There is nothing we won’t try,
Never heard the word impossible.
This time there’s no stopping us.
We’re gonna do it.

On your mark, get set, and go now,
Got a dream and we just know now,
We’re gonna make our dream come true.
And we’ll do it our way, yes our way.
Make all our dreams come true,
And do it our way, yes our way,
Make all our dreams come true
For me and you.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 5 March 2006 08:13 (twenty years ago)

Chicago Diner is in Boystown, not Andersonville. Get your gay neighborhoods straight!

jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 5 March 2006 09:38 (twenty years ago)

Har har. Anyway I suppose I should have fact checked and not just trusted B. to know what neighborhood we were in.

Jesse, we're going Milwaukee mostly to go to a bookstore, possibly to go to a museum, and B. wants to check out some antique stores, if we find any good ones.

So it's not the most glamorous trip we're planning! Plus we're probably going to miss the Oscars, no? Also it's B. and A. and me going, which dampens any rrrrromantic factor, although I suppose we'd have the back seat during the drive...

I do agree that it would be a hundred mazillion times funner if you came along, though.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 5 March 2006 14:21 (twenty years ago)

Dear Chris,

I met someone new. He's taking me to Madison.

XOXO,

Jesse.

unclejessjess (unclejessjess), Sunday, 5 March 2006 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Who are B and A? I don't know these people do I? Amanda? I love Amanda. I neeeeed Amanda. Hug and Kiss, that is.

unclejessjess (unclejessjess), Sunday, 5 March 2006 14:40 (twenty years ago)

No, you don't know these people. B. is my ex, the one I've been staying with. A. is another friend in from Portland, the one who commandeered my inflatable mattress so I've had to share the real bed with my ex. Which, you know, whatever.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 5 March 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

They are both Quality People. We are all Quality People.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 5 March 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Jesse and I just called each other at the SAME TIME OMGOMGOMGOMGOGOMG.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:08 (twenty years ago)

It was fucking amazing.

unclejessjess (unclejessjess), Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:16 (twenty years ago)

Okay, Chris, you are officially making me crazy so drop it we shall.

Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:22 (twenty years ago)

I didn't mean to make you crazy. And I think we're agreeing about everything important anyways.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:27 (twenty years ago)

What are you doing in Madison, Jesse?

I've decided that I'm finally going to see something at the Madison film fest this year, so I'm going through the movies.

Self-important Emp1r1cal Film #3, with Voice-over
Wisconsin’s Own

USA, 2005, 5 min, Color, DVCam
Madison Premiere

Directed By: Dav3 Andra3
Sponsored By: travelwisconsin.com, Eastman Kodak

A clinically depressed filmmaker takes his audience on an irreverent, self-deprecating journey through his innermost thoughts and anxieties, complete with voiceover. Dave Andra3 is a graduate of UW–Milwaukee.
- Travis Gerdes

HAHA. I went to high school with this dude, and OF COURSE this is the sort of film he's making. And I'll be it's really not that self-deprecating.

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:34 (twenty years ago)

I'm not going to Madison. I was playing crazy mind games with Chris. Now he's off balance!

unclejessjess (unclejessjess), Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:36 (twenty years ago)

I mean, I'm also all for a day trip to Madison, but it seems further away, plus we already settled on Milwaukee.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:39 (twenty years ago)

I'm trying to decide what bothers me so much about this one:

Mardi Gras: Made In China
Y'all Gonna Learn Chinese

USA, 2005, 71 min, Color, BetaSP
In Mandarin, English with English subtitles

Directed By: David Redmon
Producer: David Redmon
Executive Producer: Deborah Smith, Dale Smith
Cinematographer: David Redmon
Editor: David Redmon
Music: Matthew Dougherty
Cast: Ms. Pearl, Roger Wong, Ga Hong Mei, Lio Lina, Qui Bia, Ling Ling, Dom Corlone

Sponsored By: UW Asian American Studies Program

In a squalid Chinese factory, Ga Hong Mei spends eleven hours a day yanking strings of hot beads out of a dangerous machine. She struggles to fill enough bags to prevent her wages from getting docked. On the other side of the world, New Orleans native “Ms. Pearl” squeals with delight as she catches her zillionth tangle of glistening bead necklaces from a Mardi Gras float. Mardi Gras: Made in China portrays the immense disconnect between the factory and the consumer that arises in a global economy. The cultural and economical differences are stunning, as is the Chinese workers’ reaction to the sticker price of the beads and the astonishing way people “win” the beads. In tracing the path of the disposable commodity of Mardi Gras beads, filmmaker David Redmon tells a story about globalization in which CEOs aren’t really the bad guys, we are. Official selection, Sundance Film Festival, One World International Film Festival, Amnesty International Film Festival, and Human Rights Watch Film Festival.
- Heather Shimon

Maybe because it seems like an easy target? Or because it seems like a tastleless time to be down on New Orleans?

Are "we the bad guys" because, unlike most sweatshop products, drunk sorority girls show their tits to get beads? Not that abusive conditions for factory workers are acceptable, but New Orleans was a poor city even before Katrina and Mardi Gras pumps money into the economy every day of the year.

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:45 (twenty years ago)

i'm glad jenny addressed the gal thing up there. i am on par with her.

also: i am at an internet cafe b/c after working on my physiology take home test for SEVEN hours & not finishing it, I'm resorting to "ask the internet" . . . granted, we still have one class left so the information gaps will probably be presented on tuesday, but I'd like to be done with this shit.

Sweet Tater (kelstarry), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:04 (twenty years ago)

It seems like a very small industry to focus on and I certainly hope it is not the primary point of the movie, but rather a lens through which the film maker looked at sweatshops, etc. Could this film have been made had NO and Mardi Gras not been on our minds these days?

I assume the shock over the price is the result of the worker's surprise at how low the price is for something on which he worked so hard?

unclejessjess (unclejessjess), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:06 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure the price for the beads is more than they get paid, or at least makes obvious that they get paid shit.
I understand not wanting to target NO for a movie trying to illuminate discrepancy like this . . . but on the other hand, I think this movie sounds kind of interesting. I'm also a sucker for finding out more ways that I & fellow americans are oblivious & sorta suck.

Sweet Tater (kelstarry), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

I assumed it would be because the price is so high in relation to what he/she gets paid to make them.

xpost

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:18 (twenty years ago)

hey jordan! how's it going? i think leaf & i are going to try & catch your show next week.

Sweet Tater (kelstarry), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

It looks like there is no shortage of films like that at the Madison film fest, Kelsey. :>

Chain
Global Visions

USA, 2004, 99 min, Color, digibeta
Wisconsin Premiere

Directed By: Jem Cohen
Producer: Mary Jane Skalski
Writer: Jem Cohen
Cinematographer: Jem Cohen
Music: Godspeed You! Black Emperor
Cast: Miho Nikaido, Mira Billotte
Production Company: Antidote Films, Gravity Hill Films

Sponsored By: UW Global Studies Program

Chain, blurring the lines between documentary and fiction, examines the world and the influence of homogenization and corporate culture. A Japanese executive travels to the United States on business to research amusement parks looking to create a similar one at home, while an American drifter haunts a shopping mall looking for work and a place to sleep. Both move through a vast, imaginary American city created from footage shot all over the world, though no one locale is discernable from the next. Chain stores, fast-food restaurants, and featureless parking lots abound as regional character and charm slowly disappear. Chain features an incredible score by Godspeed You! Black Emperor. Recognized by the 2005 Independent Spirit Awards as “Someone To Watch,” Jem Cohen won numerous awards for his feature Benjamin Smoke (2000).
- Joe Beres

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

Sweet!

(tater)

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

Jem Cohen has done some good work, though!

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

I didn't think of that aspect of the price. I guess it would be mostly about how very little the worker gets paid? But that is the case for tons and tons of products. The beads retail for spare change for most styles. Why not focus on New Year's noisemakers or firecrackers or cheaply made dildos? I don't really think now is the best time to closely examine the repercussions of this very small industry that is focused in a place that is having its own serious hardships right now. Not when there are far more glaring and widespread injustices and inequities to look at. Perhaps a film best put on ice for a while?

Anyway I can't criticize a film I haven't even seen-- though I just did.

unclejessjess (unclejessjess), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

HA! I'm all over it. This must be what people are talking about when they say, 'liberal guilt.'

Sweet Tater (kelstarry), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

I never grew up with Catholic guilt, so I may as well take on the liberal guilt.

Sweet Tater (kelstarry), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:24 (twenty years ago)

nothing kills a thread like guilt.

Sweet Tater (kelstarry), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:51 (twenty years ago)

I have Lower-Middle-Class-Lapsed-Seventh-Day-Adventist-Gay-German-Mexican-American guilt. Which is pretty manageable after a couple of beers.

unclejessjess (unclejessjess), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Is it the 7th day folks that don't eat vinegar?

Sweet Tater (kelstarry), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:58 (twenty years ago)

Hell no. We ate vinegar like crazy. Mostly apple cider vinegar. We didn't eat pork (or other non-hoofed animals) or shellfish or fish without scales or other unclean foods. In retrospect it is interesting that I grew up with the word "unclean" as a not uncommon part of household language. It seems so exotic and biblical now.

unclejessjess (unclejessjess), Sunday, 5 March 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)


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