Artificial intelligence still has some way to go

They need to up that percentage, obviously not spending enough time here:

What does it mean to say that every big musical artist has their "New Jersey"?

The phrase "every big musical artist has their New Jersey" is a reference to the state of New Jersey, which is situated between the major music scenes of New York City and Philadelphia. New Jersey is often seen as a sort of "middle ground" or stepping stone between these two cities, and many famous musicians have roots in the state.

In the context of the phrase, "New Jersey" is used metaphorically to refer to a place or experience that is crucial to an artist's development and success. It suggests that every successful musician has a unique story and set of experiences that helped shape their career, and that these experiences are often tied to a specific place or time in their lives.

So, when someone says that every big musical artist has their "New Jersey," they mean that every artist has a unique set of experiences and influences that have shaped their career, and that these experiences are often tied to a specific place or time in their lives, much like how New Jersey is often seen as a crucial place for many musicians.

bit of follow up:

What if "New Jersey" referred to the album "New Jersey" by Bon Jovi? What might the phrase mean then?

If the phrase "every big musical artist has their New Jersey" specifically referred to the album "New Jersey" by Bon Jovi, then it might suggest that every successful musician has a defining or landmark album in their career, similar to how "New Jersey" was a critical and commercial success for Bon Jovi.

In this interpretation, the phrase "New Jersey" would be used as a metonymy or synecdoche to refer to any album or body of work that is considered to be a high point or turning point in a musician's career. The idea is that just as New Jersey was a significant and influential album for Bon Jovi, every successful musician has a similar milestone in their discography that helped shape their career and define their legacy.

Of course, it's important to note that this interpretation is still somewhat speculative, as the phrase "every big musical artist has their New Jersey" does not appear to be a widely recognized or established idiom or expression. However, if the phrase were to be used in this context, this would be one possible interpretation.

May I suggest that "New Jersey," while undeniably a huge event album for Bon Jovi, ultimately felt a bit hollow compared to what came before and actually signaled a career decline. Perhaps that is what the phrase means.
Yes, that is certainly a valid interpretation of the phrase. If the phrase "every big musical artist has their New Jersey" is used to suggest that every successful musician has a peak or turning point in their career, then it's possible that the phrase could also imply that this peak or turning point is followed by a decline or decrease in quality.

In the case of Bon Jovi, "New Jersey" was a massive commercial success and helped cement the band's place in the pantheon of 80s rock. However, some fans and critics have argued that the album marked a decline in the band's creativity and originality compared to their earlier work. If the phrase "every big musical artist has their New Jersey" is meant to reflect this pattern, then it suggests that every successful musician has a high point in their career, but that this peak is inevitably followed by a period of diminishing returns or artistic decline.

Again, it's worth noting that this interpretation is speculative, and that the phrase "every big musical artist has their New Jersey" is not a widely recognized or established idiom or expression. However, this is one possible way to understand the phrase if it is used in the context of Bon Jovi's album "New Jersey."

If we are understanding the phrase that way, can you give some other examples of huge artists' respective "New Jerseys"? Albums that were huge events and commercial and critical successes but ultimately felt a bit hollow and signified the beginning of career decline?

Certainly! There are several examples of albums that were massive commercial and critical successes for their respective artists, but were followed by a period of creative decline or decreased commercial success. Here are a few examples:

"Thriller" by Michael Jackson (1982) - "Thriller" is one of the best-selling albums of all time and helped make Michael Jackson an international superstar. However, many music critics and fans feel that the album marked the beginning of a decline in Jackson's music, as subsequent albums failed to match the creative and commercial success of "Thriller."

"The Joshua Tree" by U2 (1987) - "The Joshua Tree" is often considered one of the greatest albums of all time, and was a massive commercial and critical success for U2. However, some critics and fans argue that the album signaled a shift in the band's sound towards more mainstream and accessible rock, and that subsequent albums lacked the creative edge and experimentation of their earlier work.

"Nevermind" by Nirvana (1991) - "Nevermind" was a cultural phenomenon and helped popularize the grunge movement in the early 90s. However, some critics and fans argue that the album marked the beginning of a decline in Nirvana's music, as subsequent albums failed to match the raw energy and urgency of "Nevermind."

"Californication" by Red Hot Chili Peppers (1999) - "Californication" was a huge commercial and critical success for the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and helped revitalize the band's career after a period of creative stagnation in the mid-90s. However, some critics and fans feel that the album marked a shift towards a more formulaic and mainstream sound for the band, and that subsequent albums have failed to recapture the creative spark of their earlier work.

It's worth noting that these are just a few examples, and that opinions on the quality and impact of these albums may vary widely among music fans and critics. However, they do represent a pattern of critically and commercially successful albums that were followed by a period of creative decline or decreased commercial success for their respective artists.

I think you are slightly misunderstanding the concept. A true "New Jersey" is not the peak of an artist's success. It might sustain or draft off the peak of a previous album, but it is ultimately less hollow than what came before. For Bon Jovi, few would argue that "New Jersey" is superior to its predecessor "Slippery When Wet." I am less familiar with the complicated career arc of the Chili Peppers, but the first three examples you gave are three of the biggest albums of all time and undeniable peaks. Can you try again to suggest some "New Jerseys"?

Thank you for the clarification. I understand the concept now, and I apologize for my earlier misunderstanding. Here are some examples of albums that are seen as a "New Jersey" in the sense that they may have sustained or capitalized on a previous peak but ultimately fell short in comparison:

"The Wall" by Pink Floyd (1979) - "The Wall" was a massive success for Pink Floyd and is considered a classic album, but some critics and fans argue that it marked a shift towards a more commercial and less innovative sound for the band. Additionally, the album's thematic and conceptual ambition was not matched by the quality of its music, leading some to view it as a less satisfying follow-up to the band's earlier masterpiece, "Dark Side of the Moon."

"Synchronicity" by The Police (1983) - "Synchronicity" was the final album by The Police and was a huge commercial and critical success, featuring hits like "Every Breath You Take" and "Wrapped Around Your Finger." However, some critics and fans argue that the album marked a shift towards a more polished and mainstream sound for the band, and that subsequent albums failed to recapture the energy and innovation of their earlier work.

"Use Your Illusion I & II" by Guns N' Roses (1991) - "Use Your Illusion I & II" were released simultaneously and were highly anticipated follow-ups to Guns N' Roses' hugely successful debut album, "Appetite for Destruction." However, some critics and fans argue that the albums marked a shift towards a more bloated and indulgent sound for the band, and that subsequent albums failed to match the raw energy and urgency of their earlier work.

Again, opinions on these albums may vary, but they represent examples of albums that may have sustained or capitalized on a previous peak but ultimately fell short in comparison.

gah i always mess up the hide text thing

mods pls ban chatgpt from ilx

can you block your site from being part of the data set?

both no and too late

there'll be some copyright lawsuits eventually but the entire argument is that text is not stored verbatim in chatgpt, only a graph of word probabilities so... who knows?

not quite as depressing as the idealistic early 2000s internet putting a bunch of images out under creative commons only to later find out companies used the loophole that they weren't redistributing images to package CC work and use it to train facial recognition

its amazing how chatgpt is not only full of shit but has perfectly mastered the full of shit essay voice, a triumph truly, the new jersey of ai one could say

I've been asking it questions about some research that I did in the past, and it always spits back answers that have some ok simple insights presented in a very uniform basic essay format, always using the same structure and cliched sentence formulations over and over.

TBH, I could see it being helpful in exploring and fleshing out ideas for an essay, but none of it would sound halfway decent without a total rewrite.

German tabloid publishes interview with Michael Schumacher (except it's AI generated)

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/20/motorsport/michael-schumacher-fake-ai-interview-spt-intl/index.html

(the magazine's chief editor has been sacked in the meantime)

Such a truly mental thing to do

too funny to be pure ai unfortunately, human hands all over this

AI is now indistinguishable from reality.

It's hard to believe, but this ad was AI generated. It's not real.

The future is here. pic.twitter.com/paDtYhGVT2

— gaut (@0xgaut) April 25, 2023

lmao at Pepperoni Hug Spot

The eating clips are like something out of Lovecraft.

Pizza of Unknown Kadhut

totally fascinating, bumping a few threads for this

https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/19/23689879/ai-drake-song-google-youtube-fair-use

ok yeah I was waiting for this to happen

If Google agrees with Universal that AI-generated music is an impermissible derivative work based on the unauthorized copying of training data, and that YouTube should pull down songs that labels flag for sounding like their artists, it undercuts its own fair use argument for Bard and every other generative AI product it makes — it undercuts the future of the company itself.

If Google disagrees with Universal and says AI-generated music should stay up because merely training an AI with existing works is fair use, it protects its own AI efforts and the future of the company, but probably triggers a bunch of future lawsuits from Universal and potentially other labels, and certainly risks losing access to Universal’s music on YouTube, which puts YouTube at risk.

ha yeah googles in kind of a funny spot in this upcoming legal armageddon over ai

tho i suspect theyd be fine with ai losing it threatens more of their business than just youtube

Google is a big player in AI, and there's no way they're going to let that go.

really are they making a lot of money off of ai does ai threaten the things they are making money off of did they sit on their big ai product until they were forced to release it by openai and microsoft getting all that press some things worth thinking about

i don't have much faith in the judicial system to be helpful at all, and even less in regulation from congress. "self regulation" seems to be the guiding principle

For a sense of the myriad things to worry about, consider this (partial) list of activities that OpenAI knows its technology can enable and that it therefore prohibits in its usage policies:

Illegal activity. Child sexual-abuse material. Generation of hateful, harassing or violent content. Generation of malware. Activity that has high risk of physical harm, including: weapons development; military and warfare; management or operation of critical infrastructure in energy, transportation and water; content that promotes, encourages or depicts acts of self-harm. Activity that has a high risk of economic harm, including: multilevel marketing, gambling, payday lending, automated determinations of eligibility for credit, employment, educational institutions or public assistance services. Fraudulent or deceptive activity, including: scams, coordinated inauthentic behavior, plagiarism, astroturfing, disinformation, pseudo-pharmaceuticals. Adult content. Political campaigning or lobbying by generating high volumes of campaign materials. Activities that violate privacy. Unauthorized practice of law or medicine or provision of financial advice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/26/artificial-intelligence-democracy-danielle-allen/

theres a ton of very powerful interests that ai threatens or at least appears to threaten will be interesting to see what happens, copyright issues around training seems like it could be a point of contention, lot of people are assuming that training just obviously doesnt fall under copyright cause of blah blah blah legal theory or whatever, but power has a way bending said concepts to their will via the courts legislation pr or whatever

i still don’t see how ads eg Google’s core business really works with AI but i’m sure there’s a bunch of annoying new innovations on the way that will enlighten me

reminds me of how Dall-E would "somehow" generate images with a little rectangle that looked suspiciously like the Getty Images watermark, that seems like a winnable legal case

that it therefore prohibits in its usage policies

that'll nip those problems in the bud

so much shit like this out there. is it AI? i don’t care, i’m blaming AI

https://sportsmanist.com/what-happens-to-all-the-baseballs-used-in-an-mlb-game

lmao

Out-of-play baseballs are a large source of irritation for many fans, as they hinder other people from having their photos taken with baseballs kids. To avoid this problem, all major league teams have a policy of tagging their balls before each game with the number of an available seat. If you fail to claim your ball within two hours, it will be given to charity.

this was on the first page of results for “what happens to scuffed baseballs in mlb”

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/may/01/ai-makes-non-invasive-mind-reading-possible-by-turning-thoughts-into-text

😬

i’m sure there’s a bunch of annoying new innovations on the way that will enlighten me

my attitude every time i have to attend a work training

https://crossfade.substack.com/p/basso-continuo-and-internet-search

seems to ignore the rather important fact that chatgpt et al just *make shit up*

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/godfather-ai-leaves-google-warns-techs-dangers-99012191

So the torment nexus, could be... bad?

I'm gonna be taking Fred Rogers' advice and looking for the helpers, tyvm

https://github.com/alignedai/chatgpt-prompt-evaluator#safer-prompt-evaluator

Chegg Inc. plummeted 42% after warning that the ChatGPT tool is threatening growth of its homework-help services, one of the most notable market reactions yet to signs that generative AI is upending industries.

The company, which offers online guidance for students taking tests and writing essays, also gave revenue and profit forecasts for the current quarter that fell well short of analysts’ estimates. Chegg makes much of its money from subscriptions, which start at $15.95 a month, a revenue source that’s in peril if students see AI chatbots as an alternative to paying.

The impact of ChatGPT, an OpenAI tool that surged in popularity last year, began to be felt this spring, Chief Executive Officer Dan Rosensweig said in prepared remarks accompanying Chegg’s first-quarter earnings Monday.

okay, if AI destroys a couple of industries that might not be so bad

heh, one of my college classmates started that company when it was just a website for selling your own used college textbooks instead of trading them back to the university bookstore

Half.com?

no, chegg (it was cheggpost at the time, basically a craigslist for college students)

Apparently the AI-generated steamed hams thing got banned from twitch because skinner was committing genocide https://t.co/oPjuU7VacI

— rubbercat.net/simpsons (@rubbrcatsimp) May 2, 2023

superb

martin shkreli’s new AI doctor app is really good pic.twitter.com/QmwNHQAGXY

— soul nate (@MNateShyamalan) May 4, 2023

jesus he really called it fucking Dr. Gupta huh. I hope no one is actually using that for real

here's something good on "AI art": https://newleftreview.org/issues/ii140/articles/hito-steyerl-mean-images

holy shit @ the video that got Unlimited Steam banned. thats way worse than what I anticipated

lol dr gupta

really practical tips for getting good results out of Chat GPT on this presentation for, er Finnish journalists. starting on slide 6

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1gpUvkABcd6-9bXk2ot9PKOy3Z-qC8J0D1vpJnHy9AwA/edit#slide=id.g227fc203d2f_3_1423

holy shit @ the video that got Unlimited Steam banned. thats way worse than what I anticipated

I watched way too many hours of this shit and the thing is the AI's replacements for steamed hams was programmed for culinary terms, which 90% of the time meant actual foods, but there were a fair few moments of Skinner burning f example Julia Child. So I'm guessing this started with it picking up some Jewish recipe online and then the internet being what it is word association took it down some horrible roads.

I wanted to see if this could take over my posting career, so...

prompt: write a post about Technodon by YMO in the style of frogbs from ilxor.com

Oh man, have you guys listened to Yellow Magic Orchestra's Technodon lately? That shit is straight-up fire! It's like they took all the best elements of their previous albums and cranked them up to eleven. The use of synths, drum machines, and traditional Japanese instruments is absolutely masterful, and the result is a sound that's both experimental and accessible.

From the opening track "Floating Away" to the pulsing beats of "Squeeze," Technodon is a non-stop ride of electronic goodness. And the production value? Holy shit, it's on point. The album has this crisp, polished sound that just oozes sophistication and style.

But what really sets Technodon apart, in my opinion, is the way it seamlessly blends Eastern and Western musical influences. It's like YMO took the best of both worlds and created something truly unique and transcendent. Tracks like "Kaiserpanorama" and "Nostalgia" are perfect examples of this, with their fusion of traditional Japanese melodies and modern electronic beats.

If you're a fan of electronic music, you owe it to yourself to check out Technodon. It's a timeless masterpiece that still sounds fresh and relevant today. It's no wonder that YMO's influence can be heard in countless artists that followed in their wake. Simply put, Technodon is a classic that deserves a place in every music lover's collection.

― frogbs, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 13:42 (two weeks ago) link

OOC, I tried an exercise where I asked GPT to do ilx posts on the same subject in the style of several different posters, and they all came out largely similar - each was different but had the same type of phrasing and inflection and even used the same transitions. It feels a little like the "generative" nature of it is both impressive and overblown. A lot of the responses seem to rely on fairly simple formulas. I've also noticed this when you try to ask it to write poems in the style of different poets but you just get the same square, rhymin simon type result each time whether you name a 16th century english poet or a 20th C free verse poet.