Rolling UK Economy Into The Shitbin Thread

When the tories get back in they will be able to pull the scam of selling us things we already own again. Tell Sid he can fuck off.

^ and then using the proceeds to cut tax rates for the rich

Tories remarkably silent this week.

I think Cameron is hoping for doing an atlee from behind brown's churchill, except that atlee had ministries and plans.

Tories remarkably silent this week.

Biding their time until PMQs this afternoon.

Nah, it was all softball

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2008/oct/08/pmqs.gordonbrown

You know how Gordon Brown totally disappeared during the build-up to the Iraq war, and tacitly signalled his support, stumped up the money, but otherwise kept totally out of the headlines? That's exactly what Cameron's doing now.

except he has to stand up every week and raise the issues of the day, so it doesn't work so well.

Nah, it was all softball

Ha! I didn't realise the time - I've been on a mercy dash to Watford Gap and have lost the morning.

And now we wait.

useful summary:

http://www.moneyweek.com/news-and-charts/the-banking-sector-turns-into-the-public-sector-13778.aspx

Will it work? Well, the FTSE 100 has already fallen by 350-odd points this morning.

Actually it's up and down like a fuckin' yo-yo.

I really do think just a couple of days quiet reflection might be good for everyone instead of this constant barrage of STUFF from people who are all such experts they all should be chancellor of the f-ing exchequer.

And I'm not talking about ilx here, it's pretty calm and restrained really but just look at some of the new forums and really I've never read so much shit in my life. And I've been on the internet since 1993.

"News forums"

Huge bonuses for City high flyers will be hard to rein in

And if London becomes badly paid then there will be an exodus to Mumbai, Shanghai or Dubai.

Well, FUCK OFF THEN!

So much for having a day of quiet reflection.

Well, FUCK OFF THEN!
:-)

(Question passed on from an interested foreigner)

What would you say is the safest UK bank at this point? Is that an answerable question?

What Which would you say is the safest UK bank at this point?

Any of them really. Your money will be safe as the government won't let them fail. Of the main high street clearers then Barclays has come through this the strongest, followed by HSBC. Citi is strong and has accounts available to UKers (and allows you to save and bank in Dollars on the side). I still like Nationwide for sticking to mutuality, Co-op has decided to merge with Britannia but is still a reasonable bet. Abbey and A&L look dodgy as they are Spanish owned and no-one quite knows how spain will play out yet or how well Santander has diversified. However for cast iron solidity you can't beat government owned Northern Rock, and RBS will probably majority government owned by the end of the week.

Thanks brah.

Pretty big short positions against Santander at the moment tho.

Its best to split between multiple institutions. This doesn't cost anything to do

10 people who predicted financial meltdown

An ok list I guess but no mention of faber, schiff, harrison, (taleb?)

Kind of amusing for that to appear in The Times, whose own writers still appear to be in the latter stages of denial even now

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ozdg0g2E4Vk/SPHLunW29mI/AAAAAAAAB8w/j11d1yn4bis/s1600-h/6a00d8341c823e53ef0105356c4c25970b-400wi.jpg

thundersplurge

OK, best Sun front page ever.

Pretty big short positions against Santander at the moment tho.

where do you get this data?

http://www.afund.com/

http://gossamer.open-site.org/robodance/tri-bot-and-mini-large.jpg

hmmm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7667072.stm

Would it be unwise to open a current account with Lloyds right now?

Current account banking: you are probably be fine anywhere the government seems to be disinclined to accept any discontinuity in that sort of thing.

Falcone, the same guy that made the bet against subprime early last year, and also took a big short against wachovia

shorting still legal in Spain

but where is the data on the shorting, just santader's falling share price?

how do i shot shorts?

i like shot shorts

p.s. isn't barclays signing up for £3bn bailout?

also, another question: you know how UK and US economy are going into the shitbin, but economy must be some kind of zero sum thing, so someone's winning in all of this - who is it? China?

£3bn is small potatoes compared to RBS handing over the keys to darling and kicking out the CEO. Barclays also hope to get that £3bn from temasek, DIC or the Chinese although the government will underwrite if need be.

Economy is far from zero sum, the money didn't go anywhere the money just went, money is debt.

economy must be some kind of zero sum thing

i once asked pretty much the same question in an economics class, but in relation to national debt. i tihnk he failed me on principle 6 months later.

i think most of the 'missing' money has gone into the pockets of private individuals that are keeping very quiet now, if you can pinpoint anywhere. but probably it's just 'gone'. xposts.

but surely it's all relative. so countries/places where they didn't lose any/as much money must in a sense have earned loads of money, in the percentage of money in the whole world owned stakes? cos like, it's not like aliens just took loads of money?

ah i see so basically loads of greedy fuckers are what i said were the 'aliens' ?

i wish i was one of them greedy fuckers!

see david icke for more details.

Aren't institutions holding on to the money? Cos they don't trust anyone else to give it back. That's the whole problem: liquidity, not solvency, although that is now an issue too.

Anyway, no, the economy is not a zero-sum game, so this hurts everyone, so make it stop, please.

but surely it's all relative. so countries/places where they didn't lose any/as much money must in a sense have earned loads of money, in the percentage of money in the whole world owned stakes? cos like, it's not like aliens just took loads of money?

If this led to deflation, that would be true, I think (scratches head).