Would Anyone Still Vote Labour?

total party yes-man to the core, an absolute fraud.

Labour on 325 seats and Corbyn winning comfortably is still my preference. The heat!

I don't want to validate the current Labour leadership at all (which may surprise one or two of you) but it looks like I'm going to be in Daniel's boat given where I'm moving soon - a safe Labour seat where a protest vote wouldn't have much effect, and what looks like a good (albeit unproven) candidate. Where will the work to either establish an alternative or reclaim Labour be done though? The ballot box feels increasingly unlikely

His company is owned by a private equity firm with multiple violations in health & safety, labour and environmental standards according to the @VT__UK database https://t.co/oau0KIKtKk https://t.co/N5qB52698p pic.twitter.com/BorvGLbB8D

— Sii (@skippy_0h) March 29, 2023

Perfect choice.

I mean, it's politics there's always likely to be some ambitious little shit ready to jettison friends, family, principles for a crack at the big time.

It's a prerequisite if you want to be selected for a seat by these ghouls.

Gotta get jumped into the gang.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Ff3097506-cd8e-11ed-b678-b1f2f968726b.jpg?crop=1000%2C562%2C0%2C52&resize=1500

the pic over the Times headline "Meet the new Jeremy Corbyn"

I voted Green once but, other than that, I've never not voted Labour. My local MP is Jeremy Corbyn, so there's my get out clause
― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago)

Underrated post.

I'm not voting for Jeremy Corbyn in the next GE because these days my main passion in life is to support the advancement of private healthcare. Sorry lads.
― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Wednesday, 29 March 2023 16:07 (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I've only recently found out that the wife of our organization's CEO is a Green Party bigwig who stood against Corbyn a couple of times. So now I am haunted by the thought I might have inadvertently voted for the useless cunt's wife for the London Assembly via proportional representation.

well at least your boss and his partner won't be having multiple expensive, ecologically unsound long-haul flight holidays every year, because you rarely find any hypocritical bullshit merchants involved with the Green Party.

running a closer rule over my prospective candidate miatta fahnbulleh (if my next tenancy lasts anything over a year)

- oxford ppe lol
- outgoing ceo of a think tank
- policy adviser to ed miliband oh dear, based on her twitter she still seems v tight with him as well, albeit largely based around his green advocacy

+ successful asylum seeker
+ it seems to be quite left-wing as think tanks go
+ the late lamented dawn foster seemed to get on quite well with her in this interview
+ there was a whole hoo-hah with starmer trying to slip his own candidate (who was not her) into the seat, but this got thoroughly squashed
+ even though she's v much On Board with Labour obviously, there's a notable lack of her pushing starmer content on twitter (you'd think miliband was still leader haha)

- she is a big peston fan haha. shortly i'm going to see how she comes across on this panel

? aaron bastani really likes her
:/ rachel reeves led the congrats when she won the candidacy
:) so did diane abbott
:! so did tom newton dunn
:) her candidacy was supported by mick lynch and andy burnham. she is notably supportive of striking workers

idk she seems like she'd be at home in a left or right Labour govt, probably left-melt on the ILX Labour axis, more to see before making judgement, maybe some of you know her better. but she does seem to be a genuine left economist, which can't be too bad?

ilx first mention for when she's PM in ten years obv

Sounds great, I'm sure she'll be a huge asset to Starmer's racist transphobic authoritarian anti-socialist party

Good thread from a serious person.

I left the Labour Party a few months ago. It wasn’t a rash decision, I’d been thinking about it for some time and finally decided to end my membership on my birthday (a sort of treat to myself). Here are the reasons that made me finally pull the plug...

— Max Shanly (@maxshanly) March 29, 2023

Imago, that's a good diligent summary.

My suggestion: when she canvasses in your area, ask her if she agrees with the expulsion of JC from the PLP. If she says "this was the right decision, he has failed to apologise for his past conduct and is electorally harmful to our party" then never vote for her.

Labour are offering to freeze council tax for a year, with some vague flam about offering compensatory funds to local authorities to make up the shortfall. Inspirational stuff.

i was thinking more to ask her what she'll do to counteract starmer

anyone who's anyone has quit Labour at some point over the past two years lol. whether the tipping-point was the cack-handed sacking of long-bailey (mine) or something else, starmer has dished up a never-ending accumulation of dorky malevolent bullshit (am aware this is gonna get tu quoque'd to hell lol)

the dearth of ideas and dynamism to change society for the better is the real killer tho as calz intimates. so much wishy-washy nothing in a time of emergency

the real killer is actually voting for authoritarian neolibs who are very vocally promising you big heaps of authoritarian neoliberalism

well that too

I’d say active evil in a time of emergency

ppl are desperate & their pitch is we will deport faster & get tough on scary youths in hooded tops

and be tough on the very drugs the rest of europe and even fuckin america is busy legalising. yeah, vile

but also, so dorky, he's such a cops and robbers dweeb

Labour are offering to freeze council tax for a year, with some vague flam about offering compensatory funds to local authorities to make up the shortfall. Inspirational stuff.

― calzino, Thursday, 30 March 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Corbyn et al. got really bogged down by costing things up and presenting this to people who have austerity in their brains. Very hard to see how we escape this until we reach an emergency point.

"the dearth of ideas and dynamism to change society for the better is the real killer"

Don't agree with this at all. The problem for me is not that KS's Labour is mediocre, unimaginative and timid, but that it's actively malevolent and deliberately as harmful as possible to good people. Its actions repeatedly, consistently demonstrate this.

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them."

Jovial. Jaunty. Jaw-dropping.

It's today's Tompkins.#BazakeTompkins pic.twitter.com/nbWBP0HcdX

— BAZAKE (@BazakeMedia) March 30, 2023

it's the funniness of them NOT being funny at all and all that...

Tompsky nails it again

It's worse than that, calzino - Starmer is vowing that he would freeze council tax this year, if he was PM. It's explicitly not a promise to freeze it next year or whenever they get in.

lol amazing

One of the biggest weaknesses Corbyn and McDonnell have is a genuine love for the Labour Party. If they were a fraction as cynical about it as their opponents we would have been so much better off https://t.co/Jt4JNnEB30

— remoaner flowers (@AliceAvizandum) March 31, 2023

someone mentioned that he worked much harder to get Allister Campbell back in the party. In the Eagleton book it seemed like an obsession of his iirc. Which indicates he is actually pretty shit and institutionally party-brained to the point where all his words and gestures from the previous leadership mean fuck all really.

i seriously think believing in Labour is a form of emptiness at this point: devoid of ideas, devoid of hope for any (other) way of making the world less fucked

I guess the likes of Mc and Corbyn have always believed in Lab through the worse of the Blair years...then much later they got to power.

Guess they think it could happen again.

Except this is a time of emergency (climate change), but then again they were closer to the generation that faced the Nazis so..

i wrote a despairing letter to Tony Benn around 1998 asking him what the point was and he sent a thoughtful reply that didn't much help but bless him for doing it

To win over Workington Man and Stevenage Woman, the report says Labour must recognise both are more conservative on social and cultural issues than most of Labour’s current backers, requiring a tougher stance on crime, immigration and defence. They also need to see ambitious plans to revive Britain’s economy.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/01/stevenage-woman-vital-to-labour-success-at-next-election-analysts-say

can you imagine getting paid to write this kind of 'analysis', literally the easiest job in the world

it's so boring

they think they're being fucking slick by inventing these characters to project their racism and authoritarianism onto so they can pretend it's tactical instead of ideological. but they're not and it shows such contempt for basically everyone

correct on all counts

it's also deliberately setting out the rules for wouldbe sensible normies: "these are the things you should think"

The report acknowledges that there are concerns on the left that pursuing the new band of voters could “imperil the Labour party’s core support”, but argues there is no electoral case for the concern – claiming that Starmer is winning more of Britain’s most leftwing voters than Corbyn did.

sure graun

when you can't even be arsed to make your bullshit credible

Starmer is winning more of Britain’s most leftwing voters than Corbyn did.

Starmer is winning more of Britain’s most leftwing voters than Corbyn did.

Starmer is winning more of Britain’s most leftwing voters than Corbyn did.

i would like to see a Channel 5 show called Britain's Most Leftwing Voters tbf

lol

i reckon the leftwing voters are drawn to this kind of revolutionary social transformation

The Tories are allowing Britain's beautiful rivers and coastlines to be turned into open sewers.

Labour will take action to tackle the scandal of sewage dumping.

We'll introduce mandatory monitoring and automatic fines to hold those responsible to account.

— Keir Starmer (@Keir_Starmer) April 1, 2023

listen to the puny dormouse offering to monitor the cats. The government is already getting tougher on fining water companies, they can probably just price it in and still pay their shareholders fat dividends.