even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

He says he runs meditation sessions in there! with all that distracting clutter!

I mean I like clutter, you should see my house, every wall has something on it/against it/in front of it... but yeesh.

the thing about david harbour and lily allen's home is funnier if you'd seen harbour's previous AD feature before they got married - his old loft had a completely different style! and actually seemed really cozy - lots of white space, plants, and books. guess the new house was decorated mostly to lily allen's taste.

they say that repeatedly in the feature

Oh wow yeah that loft/warehouse space is great. I love the moroccan souk feel of that bathroom, i want one. I could not go from that to the overfussy barfarama townhouse. That cloth frill round the kitchen island is giving me anxiety hives.

...you know, apparently hammam was the word I wanted there and not souk. Thats embarrasing.

$2M “wedding nightmare” in Aspen due to audio malfunction, lawsuit saysM “wedding nightmare” in Aspen due to audio malfunction, lawsuit says - each sentence is worse than the one before until you get to the final one which is the only way it could end. I hope all the workers cashed those paychecks quickly

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That lawsuit, filed in April, echoes many of the same complaints as Tuesday’s, according to media reports, but also claims that chairs at the reception were too heavy. As a result, guests couldn’t enjoy the horah, a traditional Jewish dance in which the bride and groom are carried on chairs.

get stronger friends IMO

strong lede

The guy the NY Times found to defend legacy admits really hit it out of the park pic.twitter.com/tTFjZAqpsp

— Steven Klein (@stevenmklein) July 30, 2023

Here's the text from the NYT story, for those without X:

“In the real world, folks, this is how things go,” said Rob Longsworth, an investment manager who was the seventh in his family to attend Amherst College. “But this is ultimately not a zero sum game. If other people want these things, go get them. Do the work to establish such a tradition in your family, if that’s what they want to do.”

I want to establish a tradition in my family where we don't starve to death or die in ignominy. Still working on it. I will get back to you.

"let them establish a tradition of eating cake in their families, if that's what they want to do."

https://patch.com/new-york/upper-east-side-nyc/ues-boy-pays-protestors-harass-lux-ues-hotel-workers-suit

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/11/magazine/marriage-trust-fund-ethics.html

I am a 44-year-old man and have been married to my spouse for 10 years. We’ve been together for 15. Unbeknown to my spouse, I have a trust fund that provides me with a monthly income of $25,000. When we first met, I said that I worked as a consultant, and they have never questioned this.

a monthly what of what now???

lol @ the previous week's "answer". such a garbage column.

My favorite part of that whole bonkers question is when he says that he and his spouse are "comfortably upper-middle-class" — on $300k a year in trust fund money plus whatever their hard-working DOCTOR spouse makes.

He wrote "unbeknown to my spouse" instead of "what my spouse doesn't know is" so that tells me enough about this asshole right off the top.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/27/nyregion/farmer-prom-long-island.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/27/nyregion/farmer-prom-long-island.html

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Yeah, they were murdered, and farms need still need to be able to grow food so people can eat it. Real quid ag.

In Proclamation’s Wake, Plantations Scramble For Talent

Ah yes, Hamas liberated a bunch of paid farm workers by gunning them down, great analogy

Here's a gift article: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/world/middleeast/israel-farms-palestinians-thailand.html?unlocked_article_code=1._0w.f8j5.txKJ7TI8ES9m&smid=url-share

Some workers were killed or kinapped, though the vast majority left the country (Thai workers) or are prohibited from entering Israel (Palestinians).

This was probably the closest it gets to thread aptness, though it's certainly not specific to Israel: "Israel needs farmers, but the farmers need laborers to do the hard work of planting vegetables and picking fruit, milking cows and raising honeybees."

Though this is also striking:

After the Arab-Israeli War of 1967, Israeli farms began hiring workers from the occupied West Bank and Gaza. But in the 1980s new restrictions were imposed on Palestinians following the protests, violent riots and terror attacks of the intifada. Thais, who had been informally migrating to do field work, began receiving visas in much larger numbers.

“The sort of open gate for Palestinians closed,” said Adriana Kemp, a sociologist at Tel Aviv University who studies labor migration. “What I call the ‘great replacement’ began in the ’90s.”

Israeli growers who hired Thai workers found them a more regular labor force than Palestinians, who could be delayed at border checkpoints or barred from entering Israel.

But now, said Ms. Kemp, “for the first time, Israeli agriculture can’t rely on a continuous stream of workers.”

Yes, Israel relies on migrant farm workers, just like the UK, the US, and pretty much every developed country.

True, that's what I was getting at by "not specific to Israel"; sorry if my wording there was too vague. But your claim that the lost workers "were murdered" or "gunned down" isn't accurate, given we're talking about 40,000 people, including 9,000 Palestinians. And there is, imo, something specific to Israel about 9k Palestinians acting as "migrant" farm workers in the first place.

man alive I wasn’t trying to make a perfect analogy just trying to capture the obscenity of identifying with business imperatives during a time of genocide

Yes, Israel relies on migrant farm workers, just like the UK, the US, and pretty much every developed country.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, November 20, 2023 9:38 AM (fifty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

ok so let's never talk about israel. it's just like the UK and the US, two countries that should also never be discussed or criticized

Seen similar reports of Indian workers filling in for Palestinians in construction.

This happens in the Gulf.

That aside this is where sanctions would really hurt Israel.

xp talk about whatever you want, I just find it oddly glib for a Brit to suggest that a terrorist attack making it hard to find labor for farms is "quid ag." It's not like we're talking about a beach resort.

I did give the use of this thread a side eye since I thought we were against collective punishment.

Probably well intentioned but creating a dichotomy of "us" versus "them" is one of the stages of genocide.

Trying to recast food insecurity into some "business" narrative is probably not a great fit for this thread.

It's possible to want all the people to live, and for everyone to have enough to eat. I did not think that was controversial.

There are a large number of Thai farm workers that Hamas murdered and continue to hold as hostages.

Among Hamas Hostages: More Than 20 Thais, Half a World From Home https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/world/asia/thailand-hostages-hamas-israel.html?unlocked_article_code=1._0w.5m-U.MwMbLZu6a80T&smid=nytcore-android-share

There were also Filipino and Tanzanian people murdered by Hamas. Let's not forget about them.

right. i do think it belongs on "no way NYT" and not here, although i do sometimes conflate the threads tbf (as with so many threads here)

guys guys this is a safe space for mocking brain-dead NYT headlines. yes i’m sure the article itself has a lot of nuance!

On Trail Of Tears, A Lively Trade In Second-Hand Baby Clothes

Who created the dichotomy of “us” and “them” in this particular instance? Sometimes I read these threads and feel like I’m losing my mind.

xp idk i do think the thread is specifically about calling out elitism and class privilege, which i think explains why you're getting this response from some. we do have the "no way NYT" like i said

and to be clear i think the NYT can fuck right off

it’s about the world as viewed by the ownership class

where 1000s of dead palestinians (and thais etc) become a business continuity issue

i don't disagree but also the entirety of the NYT is devoted to depicting the world as viewed by the ownership class. and so i sympathize with those who felt that you were suggesting that the farmers themselves ought to be the object of derision, since that's generally how this thread works

Colts owner Jim Irsay says he was arrested in 2014 because he’s ‘a rich, white billionaire’

Irsay said he’d recently had hip surgery at the time, which made it difficult for him to walk and required him to take prescribed medications. He told her he pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor because he just wanted to get it over with.

Irsay went on to accuse the Indianapolis suburb’s Carmel Police Department of profiling him. . . . “If I’m just the average guy down the block, they’re not pulling me in, of course not.”

Aaron W. Gordon @awgordon.bsky.social

I love the WSJ so much. Laser-focused on its intended audience.

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I dunno rising pedestrian deaths are a pretty serious issue

advocating for walkable city is not ruling class quiddity imo

(Not addressed to you specifically budo) In case it wasn’t clear I meant pedestrian deaths are indeed a serious issue. Private automobiles should banned from most of Manhattan.