The Jordan Peterson Thread

was this like a transitional thing between the radfem adjacent men's movement from the 70s (analagous to white panthers) and today's men's rights BS? did you do drumming in the woods or something?

I feel like you have to acknowledge that patriarchy exists and we need to abolish it and to many people that would be tantamount to destroying men so idk how much coherence it could maintain as a men's movement. there have been various "good men" initiatives online which have turned into total shitshows. the "working class must abolish itself" part of socialism was always the hardest to put into practice

I've heard so many men complaining about how partriarchy has hurt them (in different words) but as soon as you name it they get defensive and act like they're being attacked

was this like a transitional thing between the radfem adjacent men's movement from the 70s (analagous to white panthers) and today's men's rights BS? did you do drumming in the woods or something?

I feel like you have to acknowledge that patriarchy exists and we need to abolish it and to many people that would be tantamount to destroying men so idk how much coherence it could maintain as a men's movement. there have been various "good men" initiatives online which have turned into total shitshows. the "working class must abolish itself" part of socialism was always the hardest to put into practice

― Left

yeah total drumming in the woods bullshit, absolute shit-tons of cultural appropriate which even at the time my dumb white ass knew was cringe. i had a hippie uncle who invited me and i was like what the fuck, i got nothing better to do.

my feeling is that it's fundamentally necessary for the ongoing survival of men that they acknowledge and work to abolish patriarchy. outside of patriarchy the only thing "masculinity" has to offer the world is bullshit con artists like andrew tate and the liver king. guys who buy into that crap, whether i have sympathy for them or not, they're actively dangerous to everyone else. i mean really blaming women for all the problems that toxic patriarchy is foisting on them isn't actually going to fix anything, and we're reaching the point where they're just too incompetent to effectively maintain the historic system of patriarchal oppression.

i meant _under_ patriarchy, not "outside of patriarchy".

JFP's presentation of masculinity is weirder to me than Tate's, which is a lot of trad macho posturing, to the point of cartoonishness. Peterson is, what? The stern but loving father who had his bottom whipped at Eton?

patriarchal mythopoesis?

I think teens who are into Peterson should be encouraged to read Jung, Joseph Campbell, and Freud

I had a professor in grad school who would fail any paper that cited Campbell or Jung.

patriarchal mythopoesis?

Yeah, seeing him as a descendant of the Iron John stuff makes sense, he's just such an enervated curdled version of it.

I guess Jeremy Irons is too old to star in the JBP movie that I want Todd Haynes to make.

Yeah, seeing him as a descendant of the Iron John stuff makes sense, he's just such an enervated curdled version of it.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra)

agree, but in all honesty, there just wasn't much life in middle-aged white guys with daddy issues (and the occasional confused trans girl trying to figure out her gender shit in the worst possible way) waving around smudge sticks out in the woods. i mean, i think it's important for guys to work out their daddy issues, i'm not putting that down, but there's probably better ways to do it.

For sure.

Whenever I think Jordan Peterson’s presentation of trad masculinity seems weird, I’m reminded that so was Hitler’s. Which is not to say Peterson is comparable to Hitler, just that it’s not always predictable who people seeking that kind of figure respond to.

on a side note, it is odd to me that peterson is a jungian and he broke through online in this way as psychoanalysis had seemed so outdated. maybe this means we still crave it after all these years...

Facebook made its first $50 billion on the back of horseshit personality tests, the leap from Myers-Briggs and enneagrams to Jung is less a leap than a slight shuffle step.

Whenever I think Jordan Peterson’s presentation of trad masculinity seems weird, I’m reminded that so was Hitler’s. Which is not to say Peterson is comparable to Hitler, just that it’s not always predictable who people seeking that kind of figure respond to.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive)

i mean when it comes to that so was theodore roosevelt's and so was baden-powell's, haha. in fact i can't really think of a version of trad masculinity that makes _sense_, it's like the gender version of the rapture or something

Part of the contradiction is that trad-masc virtues supposedly include a non-whining stoicism that just gets about its business and does not spend hours carping online about the imagined offenses of the woke mob. Jeremiah Johnson didn't air grievances on Twitter! But the leaders of the Make Men Men Again movement (besides Peterson I'd include Tucker, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh) are only about grievances, just one grievance after another. And that's what people really want, to vent their grievances and have them affirmed and flattered.

(Hitler obviously had a few grievances himself.)

DJT is the king of eternal grievances too

Hitler was just one of these guys, his crimes have overshadowed what a boring and familiar type of thinker he was

Nazi? More like Normie.

hitler was your standard right wing conspiracy incel

the funny thing is these guys hate grievance, which is a weapon other people use to keep them down. they don't see their entitled whinging as grievance they see it the brave hero slaying the dragon of chaos or whatever. it sounds way cooler

Yeah jbp dorks call advocating for justice a “victim mentality”, it’s impossible to square the strongman shit with the abject mewling that constitutes every clip I’ve ever heard of the prick

it's huge projection basically, because if they weren't sad being crybabies all day and blaming minorities for taking away their naturally owed MAN RIGHTS, they may have to take some personal responsibility for making changes to their own sad lives. it suits them perfectly to stew in self righteousness because it excuses them from doing anything practical to improve themselves.

was quite amused by some recent video of Jordy basically saying all humanities - english literature, sociology, anthropology are all EVIL and have ruined universities by pushing their OPINIONS. bro is obviously under the mistaken impression psychology is a hard science because somehow he sees it as totally separate. I would have less of an issue with someone using Dr as their title if they genuinely thought all psychology was biologically proven FACT, but come on dude - you're using Jung here. there is absolutely no consistency behind his worldview.

Yeah actually these comments are very clarifying -- of COURSE the preferred avatar of these people isn't going to be a super-masculine ubermensch, it's going to be an empowered, energized, somewhat more masculine version of *them*. Someone they can see themselves in who gives voice to their grievances. Someone they can imagine themselves becoming.

Walter White with a Kermit the Frog voice

I don't want to link directly to it to give him any clicks or eyeballs, but lol @ this dude getting big mad on twitter when confronted with a sign requesting him to not use more paper towel than necessary.

People’s inability to ignore him is staggering. He sucks, just let it go.

Nice try, person who sucks

ok thanks

Concerning

idk, it will probably always be hilarious to me when a grown man that purports to be some sort of "thought leader" is made irate by a sticker on a paper towel dispenser

towel dispenser calls jordan peterson 'wet ass hand-havin old man' pic.twitter.com/gmaJZYDosf

— Fred Delicious (@Fred_Delicious) February 22, 2023

Alpha males use huge wads of paper towels. They also throw them on the floor, and leave the toilet seat up.

Up yours, woke towel dispenser.
We'll see who cancels who.

put the exposed part of the towel in your back pocket and then walk out of the restroom and go on with your day. real men take the remainder of the paper towel rolls and leave a trail of towel behind them wherever they go to show non-men what it looks like to have plenty of towel on hand

real men don't wash their hands, let alone dry them, how ridiculously weak to be scared of a little natural fecal bacteria, you need to walk out of there with shit all over them (real men also don't use toilet paper) and give firm handshakes to every man you meet. that's how you develop a healthy natural immune system.

firm handshakes with unyielding eye contact, as often as possible. more data points are always better

this isn't surprising really given he's funded by climate change denying fracker billionaires nowadays https://www.distilled.earth/p/how-prageru-built-a-climate-disinformation

I just love to see Vancouver in the news

Paper towels are expensive and wasteful so they make sense as a cause for coal-rolling climate hogs. (NB I use paper towels, they are also very convenient and useful.) JBP is pure embodied entitlement, you don't tell him how many paper towels he can have. He can have them ALL if he wants.

Up yours woke woodchipper.
We'll see who cancels whoAAAARRGGHH!

His new employer the daily wire was also funded by the wilks brothers.

Peterson and Rufo had a very serious intellectual discussion about the relationship between wokeness, Marxism, and the famous Italian revolutionary and political philosopher Antonio Gram-Sigh pic.twitter.com/xxVxdEOT7V

— Sam Hoadley-Brill 🙏 READ CHARLES MILLS. RIP 🐐 (@deonteleologist) March 1, 2023

JP is "an intellectual" in almost the exact same way as DJT is "wealthy"

Do these earpods make me look smart?

Don't even feel like hunting the link, saw it screenshotted, but JP is telling the Pope what's Christian now

Nailing 12 Rules for Life to the Vatican door?

Up yours, Pope moralists!

JP is kinda useful as a perfect case study in self-reinforcing group delusions. Too bad about all those badly deluded acolytes he's attracted, but -shrugs- what can you do?

Too bad about all those badly deluded acolytes he's attracted, but -shrugs- what can you do?

If they hadn't fallen for Peterson they'd have fallen for something/someone. Some people are born followers.

Every time I open this thread I hope it's been bumped because he fell down a well or was eaten by an escaped tiger or something.