Scottish Gaelic, Scots an aw

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One of the useful things about Scots which English no longer has is that the word 'no' exists in two different forms.

"Is there an equivalent in English?"
"Naw, there's nae equivalent in English"

Or better still..

"Naw, there's nae equivalent in English, at least I'm no sure there is".

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 January 2023 16:06 (one year ago) link

Now I am, um, mulling over whether to add “noo” at the end as well.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 16:06 (one year ago) link

Nae noos is guid noos.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 16:45 (one year ago) link

I think the Guardian article is trying to say "an aw" technically can't be used the same way as "also" because it can't appear *before* the extra thing. Instead of saying it's the same as "and all", they could've used "too".

Never thought of that about "nae" as well as "naw" before. Bit like the French "aucun" or German "kein". Fun!

verhexen, Saturday, 14 January 2023 16:59 (one year ago) link

Kein' Angst, Baby!

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:27 (one year ago) link

Really came to say that people love love love this guy: https://gaelicwithjason.thinkific.com/

I don't think he is taking any one-on-one students anymore but you can still look at some of his materials, get a regular email and sign up for group classes.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:30 (one year ago) link

Video courses. One of them is free.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:32 (one year ago) link

Just found mention of this this!
https://www.taic.me.uk/feuch/index.html
Have no idea what it is, just about to click through now.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:40 (one year ago) link

(xp) Surefire way to get a Scotsman interested.

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:40 (one year ago) link

That's sort of a test/demo version, here is the main site: https://www.taic.me.uk/

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:42 (one year ago) link

Depends on how you feel about The Witcher. (xp)

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:42 (one year ago) link

Or just look at some of his other videos.
http://www.youtube.com/@GaelicwithJason

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:47 (one year ago) link

This guy totally reminds me of being a high school student and sitting in an enrichment class taught by one of the former mathletes who has come back from college break, except I don't get lost so quickly.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:50 (one year ago) link

for all the accents in Skellige there's not many (or any?) Scots ones tbf

Wyverns and gulls rule my world (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:50 (one year ago) link

he's right tho it's immediately piqued me interest in the video

Wyverns and gulls rule my world (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:52 (one year ago) link

Lol

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:57 (one year ago) link

Don't think I've linked https://learngaelic.scot/ yet. There's a ton of stuff there but it can be hard to navigate. I can never remember which sections I've visited before.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:58 (one year ago) link

Think you have to go here to get the written materials for that free Witcher course: https://gaelicwithjason.thinkific.com/courses/take/the-witcher-1

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 19:01 (one year ago) link

Reminder to the thrifty Scotsmen on the borad: SpeakGaelic is also free: https://speakgaelic.scot/

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 19:09 (one year ago) link

Don't think I encountered it yet, but apparently Duolingo has a discussion on the Falkirk Wheel in some lessons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxxz45z4H2c

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2023 19:37 (one year ago) link

He’s nae eel-drooner

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2023 21:11 (one year ago) link

Dè an aois a tha e?

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2023 21:28 (one year ago) link

Tha mi coma.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2023 21:30 (one year ago) link

I did watch the BBC Alba (Gaelic) Hogmanay Show - and usually do most years - because it's the only place you're guaranteed good music to see the New Year in.

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Monday, 16 January 2023 22:19 (one year ago) link

did some of the Gaelic Duolingo course last year, just to get the basics. found pronouncing surprisingly easy and spelling really difficult.
(incidentally did the word grotty come the Gaidhlig word "grod" meaning rotten?)
anyway the best thing to come from this was finding the Alba kids show Geamaichen Gorach ("Silly Games"), wonderfully daft stop motion stuff.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000rdz1/geamaichean-gorach-series-2-episode-17

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 16 January 2023 23:46 (one year ago) link

Tell you one thing: because the two languages in the thread title are in different families, there’s nae danger o confusing them.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2023 23:49 (one year ago) link

Trying to focus on the Gaelic Spelling Rule to gave myself half a chance. (xp)

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2023 23:50 (one year ago) link

Give.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2023 23:51 (one year ago) link

Tae gie masel

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2023 23:53 (one year ago) link

Hing in, zappi!

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 03:09 (one year ago) link

Stoap greetin, bubblie!

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 02:27 (one year ago) link

I’m sair hauden doon by the bubbly-jock.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 02:37 (one year ago) link

It’s ma ain threid oniewey.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 02:47 (one year ago) link

Blether tae CrackGPT

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 02:57 (one year ago) link

Peety me!

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 05:16 (one year ago) link

The words came clattering out of his mouth like chuckie stanes on a tin.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 05:20 (one year ago) link

Peety me!

Dinna peety me.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 05:42 (one year ago) link

Has Boaby Gillespie posted itt yet?

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 07:54 (one year ago) link

Was hoping you would attend to that.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 10:47 (one year ago) link

Have been asked to read the Ode to a Haggis at a Scottish poetry night next week, partly, I think, because my accent is thought to be authentic enough. Excitedly working on my Burns voice, of course nothing like my actual one, as we speak.

Also didn't realise Aonghas MacNeacail had died - quite an important figure in modern Gaelic poetry and keeping the language alive culturally. Lovely obituary here: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/17/aonghas-macneacail-obituary

verhexen, Friday, 20 January 2023 03:07 (one year ago) link

Great stuff all around, thanks for posting!

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 20 January 2023 23:24 (one year ago) link

https://learngaelic.scot/sol/episodes/ep.jsp?prog=1&clip=2

Halò.
Ciamar a tha sibh?
Tha gu math.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 January 2023 11:20 (one year ago) link

Are you still doing this, verhexen?

The Big Candy-O (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:51 (one year ago) link

I am! Managing about 20 minutes a day. It's quite exciting starting to hack away at a language I've always thought would be impenetrable despite the geographic proximity. I speak French and German but have only dared pick up little bits of other similar European languages so this is thrilling new territory.

First takeaways: so far the early vocab isn't as far from English/Scots as I thought, I can often find a rationale or a mnemonic for the nouns at least. Bit exhausted by all the pointing out Irn Bru and salted gannet and thanking Anndra and Ealasaid but I'm assuming that this is helping teach me something with repetition.

I haven't properly used Duolingo before and while I'm trusting the algorithm, I definitely would benefit from some instructions/explanations along the way. I tend to actually enjoy the grammar element of language learning and find the rules a fun hook that helps when confused. It feels odd to be able to form sentences now but still have to kind of guess why words add an "h" after the first letter sometimes, when you say "tapadh leat" and "tapadh leibh", etc. unless I look it up.

Might need to take up one of the resources you suggested above alongside the owl...

verhexen, Saturday, 28 January 2023 16:53 (one year ago) link

just realised ive been so focused on moving house i forgot abt burns night, maybe i shd celebrate tomorrow night, the o/g date (before the burns soc checked the actual parish records)

mark s, Saturday, 28 January 2023 17:39 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Took a little staycation from these and did a little bit of Irish since one of the apps just added it. It’s close enough to be confusing, will probably have to refocus soon.

Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 14:03 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

Coffee Break Gaelic has dropped. Think I will try the podcast but don’t want to pay for the full course.

It’s Only Her Factory, Girl! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 March 2023 00:54 (one year ago) link

I always enjoyed this, which finds an appropriate form/dialect/register of Scots to match the demographic background of each author (that could be much more elegantly put, but you know what I mean):
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/4174Zwgyn2L.jpg

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 29 March 2023 02:57 (one year ago) link


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