Scottish Gaelic, Scots an aw

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Some people like this course:
https://speakgaelic.scot/

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 12 January 2023 21:31 (one year ago) link

Which has an accompanying YouTube series
http://www.youtube.com/@SpeakGaelic
as well as a podcast.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 12 January 2023 21:57 (one year ago) link

SpeakGaelic seems really good.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 12 January 2023 22:25 (one year ago) link

The vocative case with masculine names: https://duome.eu/tips/en/gd#Names-2

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 13 January 2023 15:35 (one year ago) link

I'm talking to you, Fhearghais.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 13 January 2023 15:36 (one year ago) link

This is a great list of resources!

Have just started my Duolingo journey with Scottish Gaelic inspired by this thread, having avoided both for stubbornly long. Lot of salted gannet and Irn Bru so far.

verhexen, Saturday, 14 January 2023 07:34 (one year ago) link

:)

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 11:36 (one year ago) link

Just occurred to me that IRN BRU and Runrig are near anagrams.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 11:37 (one year ago) link

But what I really came to post is:

Some visual differences between Irish and Scottish Gaelic, the accent marks go the other way (although maybe at one point they went the same way). Also there was a spelling reform in Irish to trim off some of the unpronounced consonant clusters.

The accents actually used to go both ways before a spelling reform, which I learned from a resource I don’t think I’ve listed yet.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 11:40 (one year ago) link

That being The Gaelic-English Dictionary, by Colin Mark, who also wrote Gaelic Verbs: Systemized and Simplified.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 11:55 (one year ago) link

Apparently Colin B. D. Mark didn’t start learning Gaelic until he was turning forty. Sometime afterwards he wrote the verb book and then spent twenty-five odd years on the dictionary.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 12:55 (one year ago) link

Guy who wrote another, century-old dictionary people still use also learned the language as an adult, Edward Dwelly.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 13:07 (one year ago) link

Should have responded to your post by saying
Is math sin.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 14:35 (one year ago) link

Also I did the first four sections of the first topic of SpeakGaelic and can attest that it really well-done.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 14:42 (one year ago) link

late seeing this thread so apologies if somebody's already mentioned this brilliant story

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/26/shock-an-aw-us-teenager-wrote-huge-slice-of-scots-wikipedia

Wyverns and gulls rule my world (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 14 January 2023 14:42 (one year ago) link

Wow, thanks

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 14:48 (one year ago) link

Feel like maybe the word “Scots” should be added to the thread title as well.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 14:49 (one year ago) link

Even this Mango course I can get free through the library seems to have some good intro stuff.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 15:10 (one year ago) link

(xp) "An aw" as used in the famous phrase, "Aw naw, no Annoni oan an aw noo".

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 January 2023 15:24 (one year ago) link

...and indeed, "Twa pehs an an ingin ane an aw".

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 January 2023 15:32 (one year ago) link

So would it be correct to add “Scots an aw” to the thread title? I don’t quite get the subtleties.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 15:47 (one year ago) link

Yes.

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 January 2023 15:51 (one year ago) link

I don't really know what they're talking about in the Guardian article re the use of 'an aw'.

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 January 2023 15:52 (one year ago) link

Even if the new thread title is incorrect:
a) we can fix it again if needed, assuming mods don’t take offense
b) we may end up learning more from the error
c) it’s all good, after all it’s not like it’s Wikipedia an awor something

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 15:59 (one year ago) link

One of the useful things about Scots which English no longer has is that the word 'no' exists in two different forms.

"Is there an equivalent in English?"
"Naw, there's nae equivalent in English"

Or better still..

"Naw, there's nae equivalent in English, at least I'm no sure there is".

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 January 2023 16:06 (one year ago) link

Now I am, um, mulling over whether to add “noo” at the end as well.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 16:06 (one year ago) link

Nae noos is guid noos.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 16:45 (one year ago) link

I think the Guardian article is trying to say "an aw" technically can't be used the same way as "also" because it can't appear *before* the extra thing. Instead of saying it's the same as "and all", they could've used "too".

Never thought of that about "nae" as well as "naw" before. Bit like the French "aucun" or German "kein". Fun!

verhexen, Saturday, 14 January 2023 16:59 (one year ago) link

Kein' Angst, Baby!

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:27 (one year ago) link

Really came to say that people love love love this guy: https://gaelicwithjason.thinkific.com/

I don't think he is taking any one-on-one students anymore but you can still look at some of his materials, get a regular email and sign up for group classes.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:30 (one year ago) link

Video courses. One of them is free.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:32 (one year ago) link

Just found mention of this this!
https://www.taic.me.uk/feuch/index.html
Have no idea what it is, just about to click through now.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:40 (one year ago) link

(xp) Surefire way to get a Scotsman interested.

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:40 (one year ago) link

That's sort of a test/demo version, here is the main site: https://www.taic.me.uk/

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:42 (one year ago) link

Depends on how you feel about The Witcher. (xp)

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:42 (one year ago) link

Or just look at some of his other videos.
http://www.youtube.com/@GaelicwithJason

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:47 (one year ago) link

This guy totally reminds me of being a high school student and sitting in an enrichment class taught by one of the former mathletes who has come back from college break, except I don't get lost so quickly.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:50 (one year ago) link

for all the accents in Skellige there's not many (or any?) Scots ones tbf

Wyverns and gulls rule my world (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:50 (one year ago) link

he's right tho it's immediately piqued me interest in the video

Wyverns and gulls rule my world (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:52 (one year ago) link

Lol

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:57 (one year ago) link

Don't think I've linked https://learngaelic.scot/ yet. There's a ton of stuff there but it can be hard to navigate. I can never remember which sections I've visited before.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 18:58 (one year ago) link

Think you have to go here to get the written materials for that free Witcher course: https://gaelicwithjason.thinkific.com/courses/take/the-witcher-1

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 19:01 (one year ago) link

Reminder to the thrifty Scotsmen on the borad: SpeakGaelic is also free: https://speakgaelic.scot/

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2023 19:09 (one year ago) link

Don't think I encountered it yet, but apparently Duolingo has a discussion on the Falkirk Wheel in some lessons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxxz45z4H2c

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2023 19:37 (one year ago) link

He’s nae eel-drooner

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2023 21:11 (one year ago) link

Dè an aois a tha e?

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2023 21:28 (one year ago) link

Tha mi coma.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2023 21:30 (one year ago) link

I did watch the BBC Alba (Gaelic) Hogmanay Show - and usually do most years - because it's the only place you're guaranteed good music to see the New Year in.

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Monday, 16 January 2023 22:19 (one year ago) link


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