All of that, plus per Akerman she has her first orgasm with the second john — indicated only by the mussed hair — which makes her late and throws after her routine. Then it happens again with the third John, which represents a level of threat to her whole careful order and emotional repression that she can’t process.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 14:05 (one year ago) link
Throws OFF her routine I mean
it's true, Kubrick famously hated reading and researching. xxp
― circa1916, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 14:13 (one year ago) link
About the only film I haven't seen on the hundred, Daisies, will get a viewing tonight. Can't wait.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 14:14 (one year ago) link
xx-post
Useful information. I assume JD has been studied as a retort to Belle de Jour's fantasy of a proper bourgeoise housewife/part-time whore?
― Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 14:15 (one year ago) link
Kubrick was a compulsive collector and hoarder, since when is that researching?
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 14:17 (one year ago) link
lol oh ok.
theres plenty of sophisticated politics to be found in 2001 imho, especially (but not exclusively) if you can put yourself in the headspace & concerns of a 1968 viewer, beyond simplistic dystopian allegories. but per ryan upthread if you truly get no pleasure out of the images & music & editing theres not much else to be said.
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 14:19 (one year ago) link
best parts of JD for me are those moments she seems lost in thought, those moments she's not working. waiting for the store to open, the cafe, arguably even the closing shot--she withdraws into herself, seems alive in a new way. it's possible the ending removes any ambiguity from what's going on these moments, but not necessarily and I prefer to think not.
― ryan, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 14:30 (one year ago) link
one cool thing about 2001 is Kubrick's sensibility clashing with Clarke's way more optimistic technological humanism.
― ryan, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 14:31 (one year ago) link
BdJ surely needs no such retort, predicated as it is upon being just that fantasy, that impossibility
in the absence of Bunuel, Tarkovsky, a few others, will go for 2001 over Jeu cos wheeee space wheeeeee
― imago, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 14:33 (one year ago) link
"Kubrick was lazy and didn't do research;" an amazing starchild of a take is born this day.
― Chris L, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 14:40 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aGnuLXCruc
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 14:44 (one year ago) link
― imago, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 bookmarkflaglink
Space isn't fun at all in 2001 or in Solaris.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 14:56 (one year ago) link
Space, where no one can hear you snore
― fentanyl young (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 15:22 (one year ago) link
(I like 2001)
me too, but I did fall asleep during a screening of it once
― rob, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 15:49 (one year ago) link
Where no one can hear you meme, iirc
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 15:56 (one year ago) link
It's okay to fall asleep during movies -- I have watching Tsai or even Jeanne Dielman (sorry, Morbs, wherever you are).
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 15:56 (one year ago) link
Heh. I have fallen asleep in many movies. At first I felt guilty but eventually I started to liken to the old days of "walking in in the middle" and enjoyed the challenge of filling in the blanks when I woke back up. I also witnessed my erstwhile friend the big shot director fall asleep on several occasions so there's that too.
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:08 (one year ago) link
Once during Vengeance Is Mine iirc.
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:09 (one year ago) link
Technology -- whether it's a book or a computer -- has always been with us and it's always breaking and sorta dysfunctional when it's mass produced.
hal's madness isn't about a hippie distaste for technology. (also he is not mass-produced but bespoke, but maybe this is part of yr complaint.) it's about taking the nsc-68 values of the conference room scene, where everyone is reminded of the necessity of lying to their families, to their logical terminus. same as dr strangelove.
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:11 (one year ago) link
There's an episode of The Dick Van Dyke Show where his alibi for some situation depends on him having fallen asleep during a film. Every time he tells another person- Buddy, Sally, eventually Laura, I guess- they inevitably say "You fell asleep during The Guns of Navarone?!"
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:12 (one year ago) link
(and like, indeed the thing in hal has always been with us, hence the monkey part, xps)
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:13 (one year ago) link
I'm sure you-know-who would have remembered that one.
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:15 (one year ago) link
i nodded off a few times during inland empire in the theater last year
waking up at any point in that movie is a horrible experience
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:17 (one year ago) link
falling deeply asleep in the theater and waking up without having any sense of where you are in the runtime is really fun, i highly recommend it. downside is you might get robbed, but thats the magic of cinema for you.
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:20 (one year ago) link
Back in my drinking days, I fell asleep in the theater and missed most of Inglorious Basterds. I have yet to re-watch it.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:31 (one year ago) link
Apichatpong Weerasethakul's films always seem like an invitation to sleep - "I'll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours"
Carpenter's Dark Star in particular comes across like a working stiff riposte to the sleekness and sterility of Kubrickian space travel. 2001 elides questions of ownership - who's funding all this? - although you'd think Kubrick, if not Clarke, might have better anticipated the rise of the despotic billionaire spaceship owner/controller. No need for Hal (at a narrative level) when someone like Musk is far more unpredictably petty and vengeful.
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:33 (one year ago) link
It should be noted that 2001 came out in 1968 and huffing about "hmm, unsophisticated portrayal of dystopia" is kind of laughable considering the multiplex films it existed next to and the fact that dystopia is hardly the first thing on its mind.
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:33 (one year ago) link
although you'd think Kubrick, if not Clarke, might have better anticipated the rise of the despotic billionaire spaceship owner/controller
true, but i think Kubrick for one was focused on the Operation Paperclip of it all.
― ryan, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:39 (one year ago) link
a few years back, I went to a double feature of Tarkovsky's The Mirror and Nostalghia with three high school friends and we all conked out within the first 20 minutes of The Mirror. After being awoken during intermission, we did all stay awake for and generally enjoy Nostalghia though.
― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:40 (one year ago) link
B-b-but were there a lot of multiplexes in existence in 1968? (xp)
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:40 (one year ago) link
Morbs’ take that 2001 is an optimistic film because it looks forward to something beyond humanity is a characteristic and correct take― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.),
Yes, the attitude is, "There's gotta be something better than this."
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:41 (one year ago) link
I was bored by 2001 when I watched it as a teenager but I no longer believe in boredom so I should really watch it again someday
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:51 (one year ago) link
^silby otm!
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:53 (one year ago) link
it's a good movie is my opinion
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:55 (one year ago) link
i will never turn away sleep when it comes to me but i can only really zonk out if it's one of those theaters with the reclining chairs...but in theory i am very pro falling asleep to movies...especially since a lot of my favorite movies have a kind of time-dilation effect that is familiar to what you get from daytime napping.
― ryan, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:56 (one year ago) link
If I go to a movie after 10, I have to drink a mega soda to stay up.
But then that means pissing during the movie
― fentanyl young (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 16:59 (one year ago) link
i am very much of the opinion that there are films that not only are improved by the half-sleep state, but that have been designed to lull you into rest and put you in that state so that you are cycling the right brainwaves to step into the experience. weeraseethakul, harvard sensory ethnography lab, kurosawa, sometimes kubrick... il buco did a great job of that.crucially, this really only works right on the big screen.
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 17:00 (one year ago) link
I have to watch Scorpio Rising (28 minutes) over three night at home--I can't get through any film without falling asleep if I'm in my chair. (Better in a theatre.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 17:06 (one year ago) link
Maybe, but I regret the day I had too much wine at brunch and fell asleep during the restored version of Forbidden Paradise. /xpost
― Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 17:06 (one year ago) link
oh I cannot drink before watching a film in the theatre: instant nap even if it's one glass of wine or beer. I can drink during it, though.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 17:13 (one year ago) link
back in my wine-drinking days, a friend and I would go to the local winery, then see a movie, and just about every time, instant Zzzzs.
fell asleep on Simpsons movie and Walk Hard that way
― fentanyl young (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 17:19 (one year ago) link
At home I've no problem watching a fillum with a cocktail.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 17:20 (one year ago) link
just a public service reminder that sleep apnoea is a thing
― Wyverns and gulls rule my world (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWH7oPBnD9s
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 18:02 (one year ago) link
lol, the snorers at moma are legendary
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 18:11 (one year ago) link
My entire family has apnea. The field recordings you could make when we all sleep in one hotel room ...yikes
― fentanyl young (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 18:12 (one year ago) link
THE THAI FILMMAKER Apichatpong Weerasethakul encourages audiences to sleep during his films. “Entering a movie theatre is not unlike entering a dream,” he said in one interview. “Films hypnotize us and take us to new worlds. Sleeping and films are like twin realities.”
https://thebaffler.com/latest/apichatpong-the-memorious-zhou
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 18:47 (one year ago) link
lol, i've never seen that but it's very gratifying!
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 18:50 (one year ago) link