Taking Sides: Beavis and Butthead vs Daria

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And why isn't Daria acknowledged as one of the greatest things ever?
-- Dom Passantino (killallgoth...), September 20th, 2002.

because it's not.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Almost everyone in this thread was CRAZY. Daria is mildly amusing every couple minutes, B&B is non-stop lols.
Discuss.

-- Sansai (dfasfds...), September 23rd, 2004.

OTM.

i don't think any show has nailed down the wasteland that is suburban america better than 'beavis and butthead'.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Plus B&B was always so relentness in its low-key nihilism.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Also it's just way more fun to watch stupid characters than "smart" characters commenting on stupid characters.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Never really cared for either, actually. Give me "Ren & Stimpy" over both of'em any day of the week.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

ren & stimpy could be funny at times but after a while it just started trying way to hard to be "out there" and fucked up.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

daria really was godawful. it's amazing what you'll put up with as a disaffected teenager.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

It was the classic case of the secondary character working best as just that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 September 2004 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Indie Guilt: C/D

― Cripps Pink (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 24 September 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

being unable to get a date as a sign of failure vs being unable to get a date as a sign of superiority.

both! but Daria was a much better show

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 24 September 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

the grown man daria realization wasn't half as hearbreaking as the grown man thundercats realization tho

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 24 September 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

ack, i meant B&B were much better

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 24 September 2004 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I liked the Daria show a whole lot, it was basically the entertaining version of my life in high school. I feel kind of pained reading this thread, but I suppose it's because I took that show too personally. Daria's not my real name!

Beavis & Butt-head is prob my favorite show of all time though.

― daria g (daria g), Friday, 24 September 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Since they ostensibly occupy the same 'world' (high school), did B&B ever appear on Daria's show even in passing?

― Richard K (Richard K), Friday, 24 September 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

nope. as Mike Judge will point out in interviews, he had very, very little to do with the Daria show.

― Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

My friend Sara D. was Mike Judge's assistant for a couple of years. Had some interesting stories to tell. Not all of them flattering.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

ren & stimpy could be funny at times but after a while it just started trying way to hard to be "out there" and fucked up.

Thats because John Kricfalusi was silly enough to sell his rights to Nickolodeon and they stole the show out from under him after the first series and sent him on his way. The more obviously "hey hey we're being ZANY! stuff was the Nick writers not having an effing clue.

PS Daria is cool. But I would say that wouldnt I? ;)

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:13 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost
No, Daria moved into a new town (Lawndale?) at the beginning of the Daria show, so I presumed she was moving away from wherever B&B lived....

― daria g (daria g), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I also don't get B&B at all! The whole dopey "huh huh huh" thing irritates the FUCK out of me, and I know and knew too many people who are very exactly like that in the most unfunny way. So, dud.

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I must say I dont mind King of the Hill though - I used to hate it but have given it a chance recently and its a lot cleverer than it first appears.

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)

My senior thesis had a whole chapter on representations of the "misfit teenage girl" in which I compared Daria to Ghost World (the comic)!

Choice quotes (NB: I do not necessarily stand by anything I wrote five years ago):

"While Beavis and Butt-Head certainly weren't popular boys, they weren't quite intelligent enough to treat their lifestyle as a distinct refutation of the dominant boy culture. In fact, many of their attitudes, such as their piggish sexual fantasies about women, seem to be directly in line with that culture. In contrast, the protagonists of Daria and Ghost World go to extremes to separate themselves from the girls around them, and thus hold themselves up as superior."

"As for me, while I laugh at Daria, the show can sometimes draw its characters a little too broadly, its plots a bit too contrived for my taste. Ghost World, on the other hand, I immediately fell in love with, after first browsing through it in a London bookstore."

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

http://users.ev1.net/~alternity/tv/pageboy/Jane_Lane_.gif

I've basically looked like a variation on this since I was 16. My friend Nellie served as the Daria in my school equation.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Also: "Daria may be a misfit, but she's much smarter, cooler, and most importantly, more realistic than anyone else on the show. Although she is an archetype for the cynical teenage girl, the absurd and outlandish behavior of her family and peers turns them into mere one-dimensional characters. And with the narrative focus still on Daria, who makes fun of everyone else, they seem like the outsiders; she's the ordinary one. Anyone can identify with her, because she's the only one making sense."

I think this sort of embodies the best and worst parts of the show.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:29 (twenty-one years ago)

(Sorry, I'm still in the mindset of that grad-school thread.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I get called Daria at work all the time. I dont have the long hair for it now though, mind.

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I also don't get B&B at all! The whole dopey "huh huh huh" thing irritates the FUCK out of me, and I know and knew too many people who are very exactly like that in the most unfunny way.

but that was PRECISELY what was so GRATE about B&B. that they were EXACTLY like people that americans of a certain age (the GenX demographic, for lack of a better word) went to high-school or college/worked with! shit, there was even one dude from my high school who looked EXACTLY like beavis (and LAUGHED exactly like butthead).

shudder of recognition, and all that.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 24 September 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm also amazed that B&B had any traction at all outside of the USA. i always imagined that they were totally american types*, and therefore inpenetrable to non-americans.

(* not that other cultures don't have lazy, dumb-ass teenagers or can't relate to same. just that B&B's type of lazy dumb-assedness seemed to be particularly american.)

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 24 September 2004 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)

beavis and butthead got REALLY funny the longer it went on, and how many shows can you say that about?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 24 September 2004 09:42 (twenty-one years ago)

What about the movie?

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 24 September 2004 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The movie was worth it just to see Beavis consider 'doing' a man.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 24 September 2004 09:46 (twenty-one years ago)

"I notice you have braces. I have braces also"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 24 September 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Also: in Beavis and Butthead Daria was a lesbian. She wasn't in her own series. Discuss.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 24 September 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

the thing that kind of pissed me off about "daria" is that daria herself was a pretty ridiculous character. i mean do YOU know anyone who never displays any emotion whatsoever and speaks in nothing but tart little bon mots? it felt a little too much like we were being asked to sit back and marvel at what a bright little non-conformist she was.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

"oooh, she made a reference to john gardner! that's telling those cheerleaders!"

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

My friend Sara D. was Mike Judge's assistant for a couple of years. Had some interesting stories to tell. Not all of them flattering.
-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), September 24th, 2004.

tell, don't just tease us!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

J.D., latebloomer, and Eisbar are OTM. Daria reeked of "alternative" attitude and tried too hard to be smart, B&B was stupid in a brilliant way.

― Sansai, Friday, 24 September 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I could see more of Daria.

I have liked it, whenever I've seen it. I don't think it's on much, in England.

― the bellefox, Friday, 24 September 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

It was on T4 for a while, I though it was ironic scheduling.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 24 September 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I could see more of Daria.

Uh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 24 September 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

tell, don't just tease us!

Well, there weren't any gross diplays of inhumanity....just that he was a bit of a testy, paranoid, easily irritable guy.

I find "Beavis & Butthead" unfunny in the same way I found "All int the Family" unfunny -- sure it's accurate, but that's more depressing than funny.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 25 September 2004 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

It really pisses me off when people who haven't seen this show say it's not smart.

― Queen Electric Baby Slicer (Queen Electric Butt Prober BZZ), Saturday, 25 September 2004 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

my voice was apparently a lot more monotone in college. my housemates often referred to me as the chain-smoking daria.

― lauren (laurenp), Saturday, 25 September 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean do YOU know anyone who never displays any emotion whatsoever and speaks in nothing but tart little bon mots?

Uh, sure I do! It isn't that she displays no emotion - it's there but done in a subtle way b/c masked most of the time. I thought it was pretty good at getting the way people are oblivious & think nothing bothers her.

― daria g (daria g), Saturday, 25 September 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

La la LA la lahhh

http://www.tvshowsondvd.net/graphics/news3/Daria_ComingSoon.jpg

― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 9 July 2009 03:00 (sixteen years ago)

And yet there's still no dvd of The Maxx. arghl

― Telephone thing, Thursday, 9 July 2009 14:39 (sixteen years ago)

I've been watching Beavis & Butthead episodes gleaned from the net, complete with all of the videos, and I've been surprised by how hilarious they are. I think I remember my opinion veering between indifference and chagrin when the show was originally on. As a presentation of (as latebloomer so perfectly stated) 'low-key nihilism', it's akin to The Soup minus the witty banter, allowing us the option of laughing or weeping as the world goes down the terlet.

― A Leg Made Footless From Pot (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 9 July 2009 16:40 (sixteen years ago)

xx-post oh cool. all the episodes rebroadcast on the n were pretty heavily edited right?

― in tranny mariah (Matt P), Thursday, 9 July 2009 16:43 (sixteen years ago)

OMFG you guys...

http://www.dariawiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=Daria_Multiverse

― the sideburns are album-specific (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 July 2009 17:02 (sixteen years ago)

I'm guessing you are all lost exploring Daria 420 in the multi-verse. I mean this astounds me, this is like crazier than the interlinking Star Trek multi-verses.

― the sideburns are album-specific (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 July 2009 17:14 (sixteen years ago)

what the fuck

― her performance (ie, her pubes) stood out for me (HI DERE), Thursday, 9 July 2009 17:34 (sixteen years ago)

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