Scottish things and people that I like

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I've not been there since I was about 8. I didn't know that people even knew about it anymore.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

I'd like to add a couple of names to the list.

John Byrne - Fantastic painter and playwright, you might have come across some of his work without realising it as he has been commisioned to do album covers for The Beatles and Gerry Rafferty among others.
He wrote Tutti Frutti which was a big deal in Scotland, in the late eighties and deserves a DVD release but this, I'm told, is somehow stymied by rights/credits issues.
He also wrote an incredible trio of short tragicomic plays set in 1950's Paisley called The Slab Boys trilogy which are worth checking out.

Lewis Grassic Gibbon - a turn of the century author who wrote a series of books called 'A Scot's Quair', concerning a young womans life growing up on a remote Croft, it's a rite of passage tale with the slightest mystical flavour. You might say he's almost like a Scots Steinbeck, it's great stuff.
There's a film apparently being made as I speak but I don't know if it's just going to be dealing with the first book 'Sunset Song'.

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

i have never experienced the "real" electric brae. i should. although isn't it just full of cars rolling slowly into each other?


Lots of experiments with footballs and small children.

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

A genius:

http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ddb/teaching/hume/hume.jpeg

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

Another one:

ihttp://www.nrao.edu/whatisra/images/maxwell2.jpg

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

Fuck yer William Wallaces

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

I like Deuchars IPA.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

I've passed John Byrne in the street on a number of occasions. He had his kids with him one time - they look like mini tilda swintons.

leigh (leigh), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

Does anyone remember this?

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~awarwood/omega.html

Scared the living shit out of me as an 7 year old.

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

It was a BBC Scotland production btw, not even sure if it was aired in the rest of the UK.

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

Holy shit, it's just come out on DVD!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/news/cult/2005/02/21/17166.shtml

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

mzui OTM. Unfortunately Scottish Screen wouldn't fork out for Sunset Song the movie so it's in limbo. A shame cos it was wotsisname who did the film of House Of Mirth.
I see you Steinbeck comparison in terms of the sense of place and how monumental social changes affect ordinary people, but it's more poetic in style.

Madchen OTM about Deuchars IPA. Harviestoun Bitter & Twisted is a good un too.

John Byrne is pretty awesome. I've never seen Tutti Frutti though. Apparently the reason it's never been repeated is that the BBC are being funny about royalites for the old rock n roll songs used on the show, but that always struck me as rather dubious.

Alexander 'Greek' Thompson. Renowned architect who made Glasgow look like it does, whose buildings have all too often been demolished or left to crumble by shortsighted/corrupt (ahem) local councillors.

The Barrowlands ballroom!

Stew (stew s), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Alexander 'Greek' Thompson

[ahem subs pls check spelling] but otherwise good fucking call.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Katie McLeod
Astrid
Pure
Mull Historical Society two years ago
Alistair Cook

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

I thought Alistair Cook was American.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

I don't know very much about Scotland.

Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

Was Metal Mickey scottish? I've got it in my head that he was.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

Don't know about Metal Mickey, but Supergran certainly was.

chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah! Supergran and Metal Mickey have morphed in my mind!

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

That old lady in Rent-a-Ghost. My Grandad used to play with her when they were kids.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

McWitch.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

hazel the mcwitch, no?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

also: as a poor confused englishman trying to reconnect with his roots, can anyone explain to me "glen michael's cavalcade" and why it is so bad and hated? i asked mrs fiendish but it turns out she absolutely loved it, and waxed lyrical about it.

i'm still not entirely sure what it was. a dude showing cartoons? that sounds kinda neat.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

Glen Michael's Cartoon Cavalcade to you, matey. And it was genius. He unfolded hankies and cartoons appeared. He open cards and cartoons appeared. He scratched his arse and cartoons appeared. He had a talking oil lamp, and an Omnibot robot with the dome removed. They also produced cartoons from orificies various.

and my mum *FORGOT* to send in my birthday card to get read out. Unlike Mari0n W1ls0n's mum, who didn't. So on my birthday weekend, I had to suffer girl-cleverer-than-me getting her card read out by Glen. boo.

stet (stet), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

His roadshow came to our wee town recently and they had to put an advert in the paper saying that only children would be allowed in, and not all the spotty youths and 20s adults who crammed it the last time he came.

stet (stet), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

That's the long and short of it GF. I loved it when I was wee, but then I loved cartoons. It was just this old bloke with Grecian 2000 hair and a talking lamp called Palladin for a sidekick. Palladin had a gruff voice and made terrible jokes or something. I remember very little of the chat, apart from Glen defending Mr Magoo from poltical correctness.
The one thing I did hate about the show was that whenever the cartoon featured written words - say Bugs Bunny picks up a letter or reads a book - Glen Michael would read it out. But perhaps that was me being precocious. I suppose it was handy for the tots. They'd also have a pop video slot. I remember them showing Saltwater by Julian Lennon once. STV producers really knew what the kids liked, eh?
Maybe people who are slightly older hate it. Probably if I watched it now I'd cringe. It was very much your old fashioned, paternalistic kids tv.

Ah yes - I forgot the hankies!

Stew (stew s), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

Orificies. Bless.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

that sounds ace.

and this ...

So on my birthday weekend, I had to suffer girl-cleverer-than-me getting her card read out by Glen

this explains everything, stet :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Madchen hearts Scotland
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/lucyald/weeman.jpg

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

ah, that's where our downtable sub-editors get to at this time of night.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

It's not a matter of loving or hating Glen Michael's cavalcade. It had cartoons; you were a kid; there were only three channels and the only other option was something like Farming Outlook.

Glen Michael was in fact my first "gig" in Cumbernauld.

KeefW (kmw), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

they are all indie???

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

what wee town was this stet? where was stet spawned?

dahlin (dahlin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

here

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

It can't have been there... Most of the output is export to Aberdeen!

KeefW (kmw), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Pretty much anything of any consequence was invented by the Scots, I feel. For instance, right now I'm researching an article about the history of VJing, and I've decided that the first VJ to merit the name is a Scot, Mark Boyle, who did light shows made of living wasps, chemical reactions, sperm and vomit for the Soft Machine and Jimi Hendrix. He died earlier this year, but what an extraordinarily "switched-on" Glaswegian he was! (That link is well worth reading in full.)

bloodthirsty barbarians who paint themselves blue and hurl themselves at the English, and yet the ultimate, almost parodic genteelness of the twee worldview of B&S, almost as if it's a an exaggerated reaction to the former (see also Momus). Is that all about the Highlands/Lowlands divide?

I don't think I'm particularly twee. I feel a sense of kinship with people like Alasdair Gray (I met him years ago in Aberdeen) and also with people like Stuart Murdoch, and also with Robert Burns. The gentleness in these people might be described as fierce, and, as in "The Wicker Man", there's a strong pagan sensuality and Celtic lyricism. My own ancestors were Gaelic speakers from the Hebrides (mainly the island of Mull, which my mother has written an excellent book about), and at least two of them (the McKechnies, Angus and Donald) won the bardic crown at the Mod for poetry in Gaelic.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

* i agree about the sky
* words, like "scripto" and "spyak"

i tried to visit mull once but the clouds poured down for two straight days and it was the most i could do to just see its outline across the harbor.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

hmmm.. kinship with stuart eh?
that's all i need to know...

dahlin (dahlin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

my grandmother says that her mother swore we were somehow related to macbeth. in their mind, it went bean --> macbean --> macbeth

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

i'm related to a cavelier poet. and a guy who sentenced witches to their death in salem! so much to be proud of

dahlin (dahlin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Also ranking high on the "their gentleness was fierce" scale: Ivor Cutler, R.D. Laing and, er, Bobby Gillespie.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

I'm surprised noone on this threat yet has mentioned gaelic-language children's tv. Padraig Post! Calum Clachair! Dotaman!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

And the Gaelic dubbed version of Danger Mouse. Cos of the DM on his chest they couldn't make a literal translation so he became Donny Murdo! And the themetune was rerecorded with the guy from Dotaman singing Donny Murdo. Awesome.

Stew (stew s), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Straight outta Ayrshire, dahlin. *shudder*
and descended from a puppet king of yore.

Also Tracer Hand OTM. So many top words. Like "cushty", "gallus", "chankin" and "chips"

stet (stet), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

mahorsht mahorsht maheerst mahorsht a dotaman vit!

stet (stet), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

One Scottish renaissance man not mentioned here yet is Matt McGinn.
Humourist, playwright, teacher and he released eleven albums! The ones I've got are great (The Man, The Return of the Two Heided Man and a Greatest Hits on the mighty Lismor label).

everything, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

Glen Michael's Cartoon Cavalcade wasn't a Scottish thing, it was a Central Belt thing. Us poor souls up in the sticks never got such a thing. I was once, upon moving to Glasgow, beaten unfairly in a pub quiz by not knowing about Paladin or Rusty, having never seen GMCC ever. It wasn't on on Grampian.

I like scenery and unfounded belief in crappy national football teams and tattie scones and butteries and wee pubs in the Briggait where men play banjos and "Dignity" by Deacon Blue and what Madchen said about the light (she forgot to mention me pointing out that the scenery stopped just south of Gretna) and hills and heather and the pool halls upstairs from the Scotia and the Woodside, and also the Woodside itself, especially its jukebox, and picnics in Kelvingrove Park and the view from the top of the hill at Daviot down to Inverness and the Black Isle and placenames like Acharacle and Ballachulish and single track roads with bemused sheep on them and the way the deer come down off the hills in the Highlands at dusk and the Trash Can Sinatras and the Old Man of Hoy and Christopher Brookmyre and the salmon leap at the Falls of Shin.

And some other stuff too.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

Electric Brae is rubbish, by the way.

I forgot that most of all I love Gregory's Girl and Belle and Sebastian.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

Butteries!
I went to uni in Aberdeen as some of you will know and was finally able eulogise them in print when I was commissioned to write the Herald Student Guide last year.

2. Eat a buttery
A traditional Doric delicacy, the Aberdeen buttery rowie is a gloriously Atkins-unfriendly combination of flour, yeast, salt and fat. Don’t be put off by the rock hard specimens they serve in Halls – get yourself to a local bakery for the real deal. Eaten with a nice bowl of homemade soup, there’s nothing better to fortify you against the North-East winter.

Stew (stew s), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Scottish things I like

Absolutely and Still Game. The book Private Memoirs and Confessions of a Justified Sinner. Ivor Cutler and the Incredible String Band. Some of the ned slang/retorts. "Away an run up ma ribs" etc. Irn Bru and anything Tunnocks. Oh and Altered Images. Scotch broth, Abroath Smokeys.

r.d. must lurk less. (fractal), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)


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