Hate It If We Played It - Qatar World Cup 2022

The guy who was born in Cameroon scores against Cameroon.

Colonialism is wicked.

— . (@Nigerianscamsss) November 24, 2022

switzerland v cool that half. put them away easily.

St George of course famous for wearing Norman 11th century armour

Btw, this is happening in a bit.

“Yo dawg, I heard you like Kims, so we put some Kims on your Kims next to your Kims, dawg.” pic.twitter.com/ZO4inzmHCA

— Shirtless Plantain Show (@theplantainshow) November 24, 2022

really hope cavani comes on and scores. beeb open the show with black pink.

oh danny murphy on co comms dampening my enthusiasm a tad.

Uruguay have been excellent.

Couple of juicy passes from Jimenez.

Were Vikings historically good?

Mixed reports over time but some of them surely killed a lot of people and pillaged many territories. Unsure whether they actually colonised places or were more restless than that.

Probably reasonable to say that a Viking costume could potentially be offensive, if such things offend you.

Orlando City star Facundo Torres on the bench for Uruguay. Be nice if he plays.

Fuck. South Korea should've gone ahead..

Uruguay hit the post. Excellent half

Unsure whether they actually colonised places or were more restless than that.

The British Isles and Ireland would be a pretty different places if not for Vikings!

The vikings took all the hot chicks out of ireland and got lost and founded iceland iirc so mixed bag

Tom D - agree, big influence (Dublin, York, Newcastle come to mind), just don't know enough about what they did with places that they attacked. Despite having read numerous LRB articles on the subject!

re J-Mod, didn't Eric the Red discover America centuries before Columbus? VINELAND as I recall.

Maybe a good rule would be: If you are dressing up in a daft costume from your nation's history to support the sporting team -- make it the costume of a non-violent group which never killed or invaded anyone (monks, scholars, perhaps merchants, or indeed peasants, serfs, farmers; also most women in history, except Bodaceia / Boudicca). I don't think this will catch on, though.

I was more thinking about the image of the crusader being a current - and still potent - symbol of western colonialist oppression in a way that the image of the viking isn't, as far as I'm aware.

was just reading about the eastern Volga Vikings who traded as far as Constantinople and arguably founded Russia (but don't say that in front of Putin)
anyway this is a decent match with two good teams

scholars and merchants are some of the most violent people in history! xps

vikings are definitely symbols of whiteness and fascism these days even though neither of those things existed when they were around

Im being glib xp

I maintain that there's a palpable difference between dressing as a viking and dressing as a crusader when in the middle east

Merchants can reasonably be accused of exporting and practising forms of exploitation.

Scholars - no, I don't see it, not by comparison with other professions.

Even if it is supposed that scholars have supported and legitimated oppression (some have, some haven't), it is rare for them to be physically violent.

That cannot be said of Crusader knights or Viking warriors.

Tim - FWIW - I think your argument must be something like:

People dressed as Vikings can go to places where Vikings committed violence, colonialism and pillage, and it will be "laughed off" because those places (eg: Dublin - unsure where else) are quite prosperous and peaceful and can "look back and laugh" at the Viking violence as irrelevant.

By contrast, people dressed as Crusaders go to the Middle East, and it cannot be "laughed off" because nations in the Middle East remain wracked by violence, neo-colonialism, legacies of colonialism, exploitation, racism, etc -- thus, the legacy of what the Crusaders are doing is still present.

I think this makes sense.

However, my caveat would be that this might vary between places in the Middle east (a region I do not visit). In Iraq, plainly, neo-colonial violence remains recent and present. In Iran, a nation embattled by Western sanctions, perhaps a similar tension would exist. On the other hand - Qatar? Is this a different case, which is basically a small oil-rich nation that has made harmonious terms with the West? So the narrative of violence might no longer be viewed as one to complain about.

Unsure. I know nothing about Qatar except this World Cup and will never go there.

you can tell this game's shit lol

I learned all I need to know about vikings from that documentary on Ragnar Lothbrok

2nd half has been poorer. Fear has been winning.

Uruguay hit the post late on..

I learned it from the Maiden song
https://genius.com/Iron-maiden-invaders-lyrics

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My argument is that the image of the crusader is a current - and still potent - symbol of western colonialist oppression in the middle east, including in Qatar if the story that sparked this conversation is to be believed.

If someone dressed as a viking has the same cultural weight and impact in that place, then my initial point was wrong and I'm the problem.

7 minutes stoppage time when there's been no goals or VAR is a bit  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also Vikings didn't actually have horns on their helmets, in case any Scandinavian football fans are thinking of dressing up as one during this World Cup.

a true viking charges into battle naked so as to guarantee valhalla

0-0 again! Woo

This is probably the best of the 0-0s, of the ones I've seen. Can see both getting through the group.

that game almost sent me to the land of the vikings (sleep)

Time to root against Ronaldo

That's right

cheering for Ruben and booing Ronaldo, this is gonna be hard

ideally Cron suffers a career-ending injury during the warm-up

URU and SKR, if that's what they're called, both solid. SKR held up well in first half vs a strong attacking URU. Then it evened up?

Two of THFC's best signings of the last decade in Son and Bentancur. Quite glad to see neither lose. But keener on Korea really.

POR vs THE BLACKSTARS? Today I learned the incredible fact that Chris Hughton is coaching them.

ideally Cron suffers a career-ending injury during the warm-up

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Wanna see the cunt tackled till he cries.

Looking at how football stats are compiled.

With some stats services yeah, I remember looking something up and wondering how a team had won 1-0 with zero shots on target, it was a free kick that went in off the bar.

— ok then🐡 (@AScribbledEagle) November 24, 2022

Same as in hockey

fifa 19 does this too, don't know about subsequent ones

Ronaldo should've scored.

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The Portugal kit reminds me of the back cover of the 12" of "Hit and Miss Judy" by Wreckless Eric, fact fans.

https://images.45worlds.com/t/12/wreckless-eric-hit-and-miss-judy-1979-3-12-t.jpg

Zzzzzzzzzz = this match

Me hungry goals

awwwww

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