like the queen this thread will never die: in which we ALL resign (ourselves to disgusting miseries to post-boris politics 2022)

it's really important that we develop a discourse that doesn't give an inch to that stuff

agree. it's also important to discourse upon the abuse of economically, potentially socially vulnerable immigrants and how they are further abused to undermine working conditions and even to provide a smokescreen for their abusers.

make that the point instead of embedding it within the same nativist left behind british workers rhetoric that everyone else is spouting and objectifying these people as a symbol of something else

The exploitation can be horrendous, not just in terms of wages but also the way agents and employers inflate accommodation charges while packing 10 adults into a 3-bed terrace, leaving the workers with very little to show for their work.

ok “What there wouldn’t be is the wholesale importation of underpaid workers from central Europe in order to destroy conditions, particularly in the construction industry” is no "British jobs for British workers"

it's within the same nationalist discursive universe or whatever which is the whole problem and some of the uglier parts of his base seemed pretty embolded after he said it

'British jobs for British workers' was a particularly crass phrase to use, given its connotations, but the context Brown used it in 2009 in was a job creation one, rather than an immigration one:

As we set out on the next stage of our journey this is our vision: Britain leading the global economy - by our skills and creativity, by our enterprise and flexibility, by our investment in transport and infrastructure - a world leader in science; a world leader in financial and business services; a world leader in energy and the environment from nuclear to renewables; a world leader in the creative industries; and yes - modern manufacturing too - drawing on the talents of all to create British jobs for British workers.

Given the political climate in 2017, focusing on foreign workers as a reason for British workers getting a raw deal, together with the dehumanising phrase "wholesale importation" is in some ways worse, I think.

if you want to defend corbynism defend the marginalised but real left wing internationalist elements within it (unique for mainstream politics then or now) which I assume have been purged by now and represented something much more threatening to established power than the union flag welfare stateism of the manifestos imo

so accidental or not fascist slogan aside Brown was just being an old fashioned British imperialist not an anti-immigration nativist on that occasion

Not sure too much of Brown's vision there has come to pass, or any of it in fact.

Correction: speech 2007, not 2009. Hello financial crisis and the end of the hubris.

the context Brown used it in 2009 in was a job creation one, rather than an immigration one

"British workers" seems an incongruous addendum for a harmless non-xenophobic nationalistic pep talk

The appalling conditions at Manston and the terror attack at Dover reflect a decades-long campaign to dehumanise refugees.

This is not a migrant crisis. This is a humanitarian crisis.

Expand safe routes, close down detention centres, and end the hostile environment.

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) October 31, 2022

The solution, apparently:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/02/home-office-leaves-asylum-seekers-from-manston-stranded-in-central-london

A young girl detained in Manston threw this letter over the fence to a PA news agency photographer today.

“We are in a difficult life now … we fill like we’re in prison...some of us very sick … ther’s some women’s that are pregnant…We really need your help. Please help us." pic.twitter.com/FX8DShhjpy

— Benny Hunter (@BennnyH) November 2, 2022

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/02/the-uk-economy-is-about-to-be-thrown-into-a-black-hole-by-its-own-government

Xposts

I keep forgetting that Dominic Raab and Matt Hancock are different people.

And now I've typed that, maybe I won't do that again.

Okthxbye

I know what you mean, Mark G. They are both part of a rise of mediocrity doing awful things and are hard to distinguish.

I have trouble distinguishing between new Tory Chief Whip, Simon Hart MP, and Brian Clough in his latter years, raddled and in the advanced stages of chronic alcoholism.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1247968181685112832/5RNNmAsD_400x400.jpg

https://i2-prod.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article23854894.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_image-4.png

having access to the cheapest booze in London at the subsidised parliamentary bar probably won't help. lol I used to think it was all free tbh!

lol they do pitchers

I can't remember the thread where we were discussing accents and class recently but for some reason I think it was on here? Anyway, quel surprise...

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2022/nov/03/bias-against-working-class-and-regional-accents-has-not-gone-away-report-finds

they had Babs and Chiles talking about this on the radio this morning, both of them vmic

surely also the only place in London to serve Hardy & Hansons Bitter

The problem with takes like this is how they don't account for climate change.

Some of the example given in the comments are SA and Argentina but those countries haven't -- to my knowledge -- ever built systems like the NHS or local government that are now collapsing.

i would argue that this is what state collapse looks like btw. A slow inability to build new things, to look after the populace, to repair infrastructure. Essentials get more expensive. The elite retreat to enclaves and gated communities.

— Dan Waterfield (@danwaterfield) November 2, 2022

thought xyzz was telling us to account for climate change in discrimination against regional accents there for a second

the warmer it gets the less grim it is up north iirc

Christ that is one grim AF beer menu I don’t care how cheap it is.

Tom D: is that Hart or Clough? Thought it was Clough, then thought it must be Hart as Clough didn't pose like that. Confusing!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9f/Brian_Clough%27s_Football_Fortunes_cover.webp/265px-Brian_Clough%27s_Football_Fortunes_cover.webp.png?20210227051224

what is the significance of the 1/2 gavel?

How elections are being 'asked' for around the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/03/imran-khan-shot-in-assassination-attempt-in-pakistan

lol

Jeremy Corbyn says he "lives rent free" in Rishi Sunak's head as the prime minister mentions his name so oftenhttps://t.co/6tFzvQdOBA

— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) November 3, 2022

Mr Corbyn - who now sits as an independent MP - raised a point of order in the House of Commons on Thursday, accusing the PM of giving "a wholly inaccurate representation of the 2019 election manifesto of which he must've been fully aware”.

"If I am going to live rent free in his head at least he could accurately reflect what I think and what I say rather than inventions made up by him or his office.", he added.

He also accused Mr Sunak of breaking the convention whereby MPs inform other MPs if they are going to mention them in the Commons.

Commons leader Penny Mordaunt said the former Labour leader should get used to being mentioned by the PM on a weekly basis.

She added that if he wanted to "correct the record" he could "publish the manifesto that he stood on which would have weakened this country and dismantled Nato".

Mr Corbyn hit back saying Labour's 2019 manifesto was "freely available" and added: "If it had resulted in a Labour government we would not have such poverty, such food banks, such misery in this country today."

Mordaunt said the former Labour leader should get used to being mentioned by the PM on a weekly basis

lol yes this is the way

Also should have been bollocked for naming him as opposed to the correct Parliamentary language referring to him as the Right Honourable member for Islington North.

Props to JC for the Nicolette reference

Amazing for a senior MP to say that JC should now publish the 2019 Labour manifesto.

I also demand that Sally Rooney publish a book version of NORMAL PEOPLE.

The after life of Corbyn's leadership is really bizarre. Speaks to the fragility of the people in power, maybe?

the political establishment is still in a very fragmented, vulnerable place, so he's still a useful bogeyman for anybody who wants a return to the golden age of the Thatcherite settlement

they had to work much harder than they anticipated to turn him into a cautionary tale so they have to make the most of it now, it almost got away from them once or twice so they're still on edge about it

Amazing for a senior MP to say that JC should now publish the 2019 Labour manifesto.

lol yeah that's Truss-worthy

you know who else was obsessed with rooting out left conspiracies against them, long after anyone who could conceivably be involved in such a thing had been purged? who also saw imaginary trots everywhere?

Keir Starmer?

exactly

I do understand it from a tory pov as a cudgel to beat Starmer with - dude is invested in showing his party has been rid of all Corbynite tendencies yet happily worked with him before rising to power. If you're anti-Corbyn this highlights Starmer has no principles, if you're pro-Corbyn it highlights his betrayal.

i v much enjoy watching sensibles complaining about Starmer being attacked with this guilt by association tbh

it's bad enough that he shielded Savile from a public enquiry and campaigned to get an antisemitic lefty into no 10, but now he's not even 20 points ahead any more

don't forget his centrist thugs on Twitter which he refuses to apologise for

you can't call broadsheet columnists thugs that's harassment

I’ve seen a Tory fundraising email and it’s all Starmer = Corbyn, send cash etc etc.

Good news. Democracy by voting is a sham and the quicker it's phased out the better.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/03/voter-id-and-other-election-changes-hugely-challenging-say-uk-officials?