like the queen this thread will never die: in which we ALL resign (ourselves to disgusting miseries to post-boris politics 2022)

:-(

The situation for people held at the Manston detention camp is very bleak. No access to phones, lawyers and without the support of NGOs.

Young children and families locked up amidst an outbreak of diptheria and MRSA. https://t.co/wkNdq5bhba

— Benny Hunter (@BennnyH) October 30, 2022

sheer deliberate cruelty, good job the opposition are giving the government grief over this

look speaking up for the powerless is the old politics

You see it's just a game! They'll pretend not to care to get Tories to vote for them. Then they will close it down as soon as they get into power and everything will be ok.

We know this bcz of the wonderful in which Muslims in the party are treated.

i see we're taking "mental health issues made me commit racist violence" out for a spin again

also of course it's not terrorism when the targets are worthless

Braverman actually using the word "invasion" to describe migrants crossing the channel - the day after an immigration centre was firebombed. She is truly despicable. Having said that, of late politicians doubling down having been rumbled tend not to survive too long.

Well I am not sure it's any worse than this list of shame.

20 years ago Home Secretary David Blunkett said that 'asylum seekers are swamping schools'. It was reported in the Guardian, that you work for. Ten years ago he said Roma migrants could cause riots.https://t.co/7KfTYOlm9p

— libcom.org (@libcomorg) October 31, 2022

BREAKING - Matt Hancock has lost the whip for going on I'm a Celeb

Chief Whip Simon Hart MP said:

“Following a conversation with Matt Hancock, I have considered the situation and believe this is a matter serious enough to warrant suspension of the whip with immediate effect.”

— Dan Bloom (@danbloom1) November 1, 2022

in fairness to Mr Mancock at least i've heard of him

Fair to say @MattHancock's local Conservative Association is unimpressed. Andy Drummond, deputy chairman (political) of West Suffolk Conservative Association, told @PA: "I’m looking forward to him eating a kangaroo’s penis. Quote me. You can quote me that.”

— David Hughes (@DavidHughesPA) November 1, 2022

Yeah, this is pretty sensible from Mancock, his political career is over anyway, might as well cash in while he's still got name recognition. And now he's been stopped from being a tory mp, at a time when that is a seriously unfashionable thing to be

Maybe the major political parties can extend this policy to appearing on HIGNFY

I wouldn't even notice if my tory mp fucked off to Australia. Would watch it if the participants had to wrestle with a murderbird.

Well I am not sure it's any worse than this list of shame.

🐦[20 years ago Home Secretary David Blunkett said that ’asylum seekers are swamping schools’. It was reported in the Guardian, that you work for. Ten years ago he said Roma migrants could cause riots.https://t.co/7KfTYOlm9p🕸
— libcom.org (@libcomorg) October 31, 2022🕸

Yes, that this was the best the left could come up with wasn't great.

I just looked up my MP, from their website, not entirely sure what party they belong to as it doesn’t say!!

I’ll probably vote Green again if we ever get to that election thing again

Matt may see his jaunt to the jungle as the beginning of his redemption arc. From the ashes. Bit sad really, he’ll get humiliated - packed off early, and will reside in the same space as the Hamiltons. Not a very sensible fellow, shame he held such a position of responsibility (not power) in a crisis.

Holy shit.

Not to be hysterical but hot on the heels of my council announcing my communal boiler will be off 4 hours a day starting this month, they’re now putting up service charges too 🤯

— Sister Birkin (@judeinlondon2) November 1, 2022

This is bullshit on the part of her council because councils buy the energy to run communal boilers and district heating systems quite a few years in advance, so they can provide a stable service. I’m the next borough over and nobody at the council is trying to float the idea of turning off boilers (yet).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i17fFctlfM

skip to about 12:30 to hear some really dismal positions from Labour on trans rights, but only if you've got the energy to be infuriated by this nonsense

Corbyn also added to the list with his “wholesale importation” comments in 2017

from the full quote rather a stretch to plot it on a line with "swamping" by asylum seekers, a particular minority causing "riots" and there being an "invasion"

sure it's a kinder gentler version of the same racist discourse. I mean it I'm not just being flippant

it is *essential* to understand the legitimating role left-nationalism plays within nationalism as a whole and to call out every capitulation to the nation from leaders on the left. this is a serious problem and people need to stop downplaying it

sometimes I feel I'm being petty or mean complaining about corbynism's limits considering what it was up against and all the hope and despair involved and how much worse tories and labour are now but fuck it we need to confront this shit now unless we're happy to remain the loyal left wing of a dying empire. I know I'm not

NEW: Islington council have been rationing *heating and hot water* in a bid to save cash.

Residents will lose access to hot water and heating for up to 11 hours every day. https://t.co/AtUpbXv9jG

— Ava-Santina (@AvaSantina) November 1, 2022

from the full quote rather a stretch to plot it on a line with "swamping" by asylum seekers, a particular minority causing "riots" and there being an "invasion"

― conrad, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 bookmarkflaglink

Yes, though I think it's really important that we develop a discourse that doesn't give an inch to that stuff. I would rather have Corbyn any day, his voting record on issues is mostly impeccable from what I've seen. But mistakes were made.

Good thread on triangulation.

Lula's win is worth celebrating, but let's not rewrite history. His coalition extended to having a *cente-right* running mate!

It's loosely the equivalent of Corbyn running an election campaign with John Major as his Chancellor.

It's practically the definition of triangulation. https://t.co/AW9PhbNrnW

— Josh (@JMagosh) November 1, 2022

it's really important that we develop a discourse that doesn't give an inch to that stuff

agree. it's also important to discourse upon the abuse of economically, potentially socially vulnerable immigrants and how they are further abused to undermine working conditions and even to provide a smokescreen for their abusers.

make that the point instead of embedding it within the same nativist left behind british workers rhetoric that everyone else is spouting and objectifying these people as a symbol of something else

The exploitation can be horrendous, not just in terms of wages but also the way agents and employers inflate accommodation charges while packing 10 adults into a 3-bed terrace, leaving the workers with very little to show for their work.

ok “What there wouldn’t be is the wholesale importation of underpaid workers from central Europe in order to destroy conditions, particularly in the construction industry” is no "British jobs for British workers"

it's within the same nationalist discursive universe or whatever which is the whole problem and some of the uglier parts of his base seemed pretty embolded after he said it

'British jobs for British workers' was a particularly crass phrase to use, given its connotations, but the context Brown used it in 2009 in was a job creation one, rather than an immigration one:

As we set out on the next stage of our journey this is our vision: Britain leading the global economy - by our skills and creativity, by our enterprise and flexibility, by our investment in transport and infrastructure - a world leader in science; a world leader in financial and business services; a world leader in energy and the environment from nuclear to renewables; a world leader in the creative industries; and yes - modern manufacturing too - drawing on the talents of all to create British jobs for British workers.

Given the political climate in 2017, focusing on foreign workers as a reason for British workers getting a raw deal, together with the dehumanising phrase "wholesale importation" is in some ways worse, I think.

if you want to defend corbynism defend the marginalised but real left wing internationalist elements within it (unique for mainstream politics then or now) which I assume have been purged by now and represented something much more threatening to established power than the union flag welfare stateism of the manifestos imo

so accidental or not fascist slogan aside Brown was just being an old fashioned British imperialist not an anti-immigration nativist on that occasion

Not sure too much of Brown's vision there has come to pass, or any of it in fact.

Correction: speech 2007, not 2009. Hello financial crisis and the end of the hubris.

the context Brown used it in 2009 in was a job creation one, rather than an immigration one

"British workers" seems an incongruous addendum for a harmless non-xenophobic nationalistic pep talk

The appalling conditions at Manston and the terror attack at Dover reflect a decades-long campaign to dehumanise refugees.

This is not a migrant crisis. This is a humanitarian crisis.

Expand safe routes, close down detention centres, and end the hostile environment.

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) October 31, 2022

The solution, apparently:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/02/home-office-leaves-asylum-seekers-from-manston-stranded-in-central-london

A young girl detained in Manston threw this letter over the fence to a PA news agency photographer today.

“We are in a difficult life now … we fill like we’re in prison...some of us very sick … ther’s some women’s that are pregnant…We really need your help. Please help us." pic.twitter.com/FX8DShhjpy

— Benny Hunter (@BennnyH) November 2, 2022

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/02/the-uk-economy-is-about-to-be-thrown-into-a-black-hole-by-its-own-government

Xposts

I keep forgetting that Dominic Raab and Matt Hancock are different people.

And now I've typed that, maybe I won't do that again.

Okthxbye

I know what you mean, Mark G. They are both part of a rise of mediocrity doing awful things and are hard to distinguish.

I have trouble distinguishing between new Tory Chief Whip, Simon Hart MP, and Brian Clough in his latter years, raddled and in the advanced stages of chronic alcoholism.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1247968181685112832/5RNNmAsD_400x400.jpg

https://i2-prod.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article23854894.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_image-4.png

having access to the cheapest booze in London at the subsidised parliamentary bar probably won't help. lol I used to think it was all free tbh!

lol they do pitchers

I can't remember the thread where we were discussing accents and class recently but for some reason I think it was on here? Anyway, quel surprise...

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2022/nov/03/bias-against-working-class-and-regional-accents-has-not-gone-away-report-finds

they had Babs and Chiles talking about this on the radio this morning, both of them vmic