i felt they were saying more that yes, anti-bush types certainly sat back and enjoyed when jones was excoriating bush and he had chaos-clown's licence (despite being a hilarious nutjob) but no he was never actually a "liberal darling" (= glenn's claim, which they are repudiating)
― mark s, Thursday, 27 October 2022 10:47 (one year ago) link
albeit repudiating more by implication than direct statement
Yeah Jones was still a fringe figure, hardly Jon Stewart-level.
― Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 27 October 2022 11:30 (one year ago) link
Been thinking a lot about how back in the 90's for me conspiracy thinking was fun shit like Bigfoot or aliens, coupled with a sort of laudatory skepticism of govt institutions
yeah i think about this a lot too, there was so much stuff in the 90s depicting conspiracy theories as a fun oddball personality quirk, generally harmless and often funny. whereas nowadays if a stranger starts telling me JFK is still alive or that the president is secretly an alien i get legit worried for my safety and try to get away as fast as possible. things like X Files and Slacker definitely hit differently for me now in that sense
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 27 October 2022 13:29 (one year ago) link
Dale was always the most fun character on King of the Hill
― frogbs, Thursday, 27 October 2022 13:45 (one year ago) link
beliefs mark lane probably would NOT have endorsed
(i) jfk's head just did that by itself(ii) AND HE SURVIVED
― mark s, Thursday, 27 October 2022 13:55 (one year ago) link
JFK was dyed Black and sent to a mental health institute with Elvis. Ffs has nobody seen that documentary Bubba Ho-Tep
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Thursday, 27 October 2022 15:14 (one year ago) link
Absolutely. When I rewatched X-Files last year, I supplemented it with ’90s episodes of Art Bell. It was very entertaining, but I refrained from googling the guests for fear of finding out they’ve moved on from believing in the Philadelphia Experiment and energy auras to MAGA shit. While I’m sure some of the guests were right-wing at the time, the show/theories always came across as apolitical in its kookiness.
― blatherskite, Thursday, 27 October 2022 16:17 (one year ago) link
There’s obviously plenty of leftists still wary/against the government (with good reason), but it does seem that being anti-government has become a right-wing signifier. My partner (who’d never seen the X-Files) raised an eyebrow sometimes because the show seemed to vaguely right-wing, though that stuff really came from post-Watergate/counterculture skepticism. It certainly was a bit jarring to watch it now and realize that the main villain in the show was "the deep state", though one made up of bipartisan Cold Warriors rather than evil Dems.
― blatherskite, Thursday, 27 October 2022 16:30 (one year ago) link
Mark Fenster’s Conspiracy Theories: Secrecy and Power in American Culture does a great job talking about X-Files and how Mulder pretty much was an investigator of this stuff not for emancipatory reasons, but for selfish ones. He also can’t just be an investigator about, he also has to write about it. There’s a compulsion inherent in the culture that you both consume and produce content about it, which is why you got so many blogs and zines and YouTube channels breathlessly recounting each other’s findings.
Also how the very 90s naïve idea that all that would be required to be justice or right a wrong would be to pull the mask away and show who the wrongdoer really was. Scooby Doo logic, and you can see how it still applies today as a LOT of people have never really be given a correct idea of what power is, how it works, and who actually holds it.
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 27 October 2022 16:54 (one year ago) link
back in the 90's for me conspiracy thinking was fun shit
I used to work with a guy who was convinced that the main reason Hitler invaded Russia was for their hemp, he knew there was no chance of winning the war without that sweet, sweet soviet hemp
He was also a big Chomsky fan, and tried to convince me that all the major networks conspired to keep Chomsky off the airwaves because he spoke the unvarnished TRUTH, rather than him being a boring old blowhard
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 27 October 2022 17:18 (one year ago) link
Funny that it never occurs to Mulder to tell the world about all the mutants, psychic killers etc. he encountered—he only cared about proving the existence of aliens, even though more people were killed throughout the series by the Monster of the Week than alien bounty hunters.
― blatherskite, Thursday, 27 October 2022 17:54 (one year ago) link
I always preferred those early stand-alone freak-of-the-week episodes over the big deep-state/alien conspiracy story arc that ended up consuming the show
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 27 October 2022 18:06 (one year ago) link
The little speech (around 45 mins) talking about the eventual degradation of trust between the public and its leaders, aligned to the growth in conspiracy -- all beginning with that Karmic parallel from Vedic literature -- was pretty convincing.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 28 October 2022 07:10 (one year ago) link
Plenty of boring old blowhards on the US news in the 90's iirc. Don't need a conspiracy to see why journalists wouldn't be too enthusiastic about inviting a dude over who consistently highlights what a bad job they're doing tho.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 28 October 2022 09:51 (one year ago) link
the karmic fissure section was effective not least bcz the spaker (andy) is ordinarily the show's stand-out sardonic shitposter, viz the most likely to announce that something very bad is very good merely bcz it entertains him and let you unravel the layers (in fact he did just this at the start) -- this ep he had flu and was dosed up on like sudafed and just let the argument roll on flawlessly out thru cringe to content
― mark s, Friday, 28 October 2022 09:56 (one year ago) link
Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and his company were ordered Thursday to pay an extra $473 million to victims' families and an FBI agent for calling the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting a hoax, adding to a nearly $1 billion jury verdict issued last month. https://t.co/WsQJrMDyw1— The Associated Press (@AP) November 10, 2022
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 November 2022 19:04 (one year ago) link
I hope for his sake this is the end of it, because I feel like the next judge Alex Jones goes up before is gonna rule that any person who sees him on the street can immediately demand — and receive — all the money in Jones's wallet, and his shoes.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 10 November 2022 20:07 (one year ago) link
That sounds perfectly fair to me. I feel like I’m owed damages just from having to live in the same dimension as that piece of shit.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 10 November 2022 20:47 (one year ago) link
one useful thing to do in this dimension is look at a clock! if you're in a dream, time won't work, so it's a way to potentially snap out of this one
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 10 November 2022 20:52 (one year ago) link
Did you learn that from my dream? recently on ILX Dreams...
― peace, man, Friday, 11 November 2022 11:56 (one year ago) link
haha, peace, i'd never seen that! that's pretty incredible! i could see being in someone else's dream involving air conditioning because i've had some intense psychological experiences involving un-installing a window AC unit and accidentally letting it come crashing down from the second floor (no one was injured!). the landlord was so kind and understanding about it that i just moved on -- it makes sense that somewhere in the dream world i'm still dealing with air conditioners. glad i had your help in your dream!
but no, the clock thing i mentioned in the post above was something mentioned in Waking Life -- not during the segment with Alex Jones, but elsewhere.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 11 November 2022 16:11 (one year ago) link
jesus I haven't seen Waking Life since it came out and did not realize Alex Jones was in that
― akm, Friday, 11 November 2022 16:14 (one year ago) link
yeah, a scanner darkly, too. there's been some brief discussion upthread. kinda weird of linklater but i guess in jones' earlier days he could be seen more as a ...harmless angry ranting guy...rather than a guy who could be so fucking wrong, for so long, that he was successfully sued for a couple billion dollars or whatever he's up to now, simply for being so fucking wrong and so loud about it
― Karl Malone, Friday, 11 November 2022 16:16 (one year ago) link
he is one of the most persistent, loud, angry, and wrong voices in all of human history. it's kind of incredible
― Karl Malone, Friday, 11 November 2022 16:17 (one year ago) link
the ultimate guy who both smelt it and dealt it
He had a reputation as local wacky crank here in Austin for a long time
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 11 November 2022 16:19 (one year ago) link
like if Art Bell transformed into Goebbels
― akm, Friday, 11 November 2022 16:30 (one year ago) link
files for personal bankruptcy, "the Infowars host has between $1m and $10m of assets and between $1bn and $10bn of debt."https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63837309
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 2 December 2022 20:53 (one year ago) link
It's kind of nuts to me that someone could be worth 10 million dollars and file for bankruptcy. What does bankruptcy filing really do other than protect him from debtors? Does that include the judgments against him? I assume so. If a prosecutor had proof he reallocated his assets to fake bankruptcy, is that fraud?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 December 2022 21:11 (one year ago) link
wake me up when they take away his fucking microphones, cameras, and internet access
― sleeve, Friday, 2 December 2022 21:14 (one year ago) link
^^^
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 2 December 2022 21:15 (one year ago) link
god we need some good vandals to just show up and disrupt every broadcast
― Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Friday, 2 December 2022 21:21 (one year ago) link
otmfm as long as he still has that outlet to spread his hate speech, this bankruptcy is fucking meaningless
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 2 December 2022 21:33 (one year ago) link
Hmmmm
Some news: Tomorrow SPLC will publish Part 1 of a five part series into the text messages found on Alex Jones's phone. Investigation by me and @MeganSquire0. I think this is the first story I've ever worked on where my editor stuck a content warning on top of it.— Michael Edison Hayden (@MichaelEHayden) February 1, 2023
― The self-titled drags (Eazy), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 03:43 (one year ago) link
Alex Jones should be sentenced to subsisting entirely on his snake oil supplements.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 13:26 (one year ago) link
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2023/02/01/infowars-alex-jones-says-he-lives-hell-texts-show
Jones and Enlow’s tracking efforts seem to take place on days that Jones himself is conducting an affair. Jones contacts Enlow to monitor Erika Wulff Jones on days when he is also in touch with a woman named “Pat Johnson,” which is the alias he entered into his phone to represent an Austin-based married woman with whom he exchanges texts of an intimate nature. (As an example, Jones texted Pat Johnson on the morning of May 11, 2020, requesting “a sucky,” apparently asking her to give him oral sex.)
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Thursday, 2 February 2023 14:54 (one year ago) link
That DOES require a content warning. I feel like I’ve read a page from the Necronomicon now.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 February 2023 14:55 (one year ago) link
APOLS
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Thursday, 2 February 2023 15:18 (one year ago) link
Alex Jones to Timothy Fruge, 11:32.12 a.m.:Please bring vodka to con room
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 2 February 2023 15:21 (one year ago) link
Alex Jones to Timothy Fruge 2:29.58 p.m.:Please tell D to get me a bottle of vodka out of his safe and put in my office now
Alex Jones to Erika Wulff Jones, 12:03.50 a.m.:I can’t believe you wore the wedding ring to fuck hon
Alex Jones to Erika Wulff Jones, 12:03.52 a.m.:Him
Alex Jones to Erika Wulff Jones, 12:04.08 a.m.:I am okay with it just don’t ware it anymore
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 2 February 2023 15:25 (one year ago) link
Oh fun.
Does anyone but me remember the story of Bill O'Reilly's wonderfully clumsy attempt to seduce a subordinate, wherein he speaks of her using a "felafel" in the shower, by which he apparently meant a "loofah"?
Or maybe there are people who rub themselves with fried chick peas. I don't wish to kink-shame.
― forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 2 February 2023 15:40 (one year ago) link
don't think I ever got over "I love you, alive girl"
― frogbs, Thursday, 2 February 2023 16:12 (one year ago) link
"So much better than the dead kind."
― forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 2 February 2023 16:14 (one year ago) link
Oh but back to Jones for a sec
And nothing can stop itIt seamsIt’s like gravityA black hole (hole emoji)
^ primo fake Metallica lyrics
(hole emoji)
― forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 2 February 2023 16:19 (one year ago) link
I wouldn't expect one of the main job roles of a personal trainer to be "guy who brings me vodka on demand at 9am" but here we are
― mh, Thursday, 2 February 2023 16:41 (one year ago) link
it's really, really tough to read through that page. i only got about a 1/3 of the way down. what a complete scumbag, and every single person who is involved with him.
on a much less important note his texting style is so annoying
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 February 2023 16:44 (one year ago) link
hay
their so wrong about this
media hippocrits
wrong about everything so soick of it
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 February 2023 16:45 (one year ago) link
it seams
― forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 2 February 2023 16:53 (one year ago) link