like the queen this thread will never die: in which we ALL resign (ourselves to disgusting miseries to post-boris politics 2022)

it's time for a campaign of trans terror against the british state

enough with watering down our demands to appeal to liberal scum who want us dead. i want revenge.

reclaim jkr's house while we're at it

That's good going from Sunak tbh, I think he's somehow wangled it so he's actually the least loathsome member of the front bench

Loving how these embedded tweets cut their heads off.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/world/europe/rishi-sunak-uk-prime-minister.html

The man chosen to face all these challenges was born in Southampton, on England’s south coast, to Indian immigrants who had moved to Britain from East Africa. His father was a family doctor; his mother ran a pharmacy. They saved to send him to Winchester College, one of Britain’s most academically rigorous high schools, and then to Oxford University, where he studied philosophy, politics and economics.

"one of Britain’s most academically rigorous high schools" can fuck right off

youn, I still can't figure out what point you're trying to make

lol at that construction of 'so-and-so's parents saved to send them to [ludicrously expensive private school that 90% of the population could never afford to send their kids to if they saved for 500 years]'

I don't think marrying into wealth matters as much as your upbringing. I can't guess how much it would cost to go to Winchester College and how much advantage that already conferred.

I recall being teased by kids under 10 on bikes in Coventry. They thought I was Chinese, which is fine, but I am not.

For 2022/23, the fees are as follows:

The fee for Boarding pupils will be £45,936 per annum (£15,312 per term).
The fee for Day pupils will be £33,990 per annum (£11,330 per term).

Sunak’s parents were never poor. They gave him a huge leg up in life due to being able to pay for him to go to one of the most prestigious schools in the country, where he could meet people who would help him in turn get on in life.

The caller was taking part in discussion on James O'Brien's LBC show about whether Rishi Sunak's personal wealth means he doesn't understand the cost of living crisis.

She said: "I worked at the school Rishi Sunak was at.

"The boys were delightful. They were everything you'd want in a young person apart from one thing.

"They had no idea what went on outside of their bubble.

"They had no perception that life was different for 98% of the population.

wow you can save 15 grand and years of sexual abuse by sending your posh brats as day pupils!

Could the issue be that there is very little class mobility in England?

the issue is these schools shouldn't even exist

This guy is never not at it

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I don't think marrying into wealth matters as much as your upbringing.

Matters in what way? I'm sorry if I'm being obtuse, but I don't get why it would matter if Sunak actually had been poor and been given a full scholarship to boarding school. That would mean what exactly? What insight or perspective on him would that provide? Like, it seems to me he was at least middle class and made all the right moves to join the upper class...now what?

Could the issue be that there is very little class mobility in England?

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Class should also be abolished, no?

i assume that means that Rishi also read this book, which tbf, I remember being a banger
https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1410436506l/8422114.jpg

co-assimilation: your expertise in tea

big bargain-basement Adam Curtis energy on Louis Goodall’s explainer here!

For the second time in as many months, a new Prime Minister was ushered through the famous front door of 10 Downing Street.@lewis_goodall was there to explain what Rishi Sunak really meant during his inaugural speech as PM.

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_I don't think marrying into wealth matters as much as your upbringing._

Matters in what way? I'm sorry if I'm being obtuse, but I don't get why it would matter if Sunak actually had been poor and been given a full scholarship to boarding school. That would mean what exactly? What insight or perspective on him would that provide? Like, it seems to me he was at least middle class and made all the right moves to join the upper class...now what?

both a nephew and niece of mine were extremely bright and from a single parent and extremely poor family. They both got scholarships to a fee paying grammar school. One of them is a professor now who did some research work on Alzheimer's and was doing alright for a few years, but now he's struggling. The other, she's working in Tescos and couldn't afford to go to university. None of this shit happens to people like Rishi.

yeah sorry, gyac, I was overstating things to try and prompt youn to elaborate on what they found significant about that one NYT paragraph. I do think the facts of Sunak's socioeconomic class, racial identity, education, work history, religion, gender, sexuality, etc. are all salient in various ways.

matters in terms of how relatable you are to the common people

I should have put common people in quotes. I was thinking of a Pulp song.

ah ok thanks, I think I get it now (though I don't know how relatable you think he is, but maybe that doesn't matter)

and fwiw, I certainly don't understand the intricacies of the British class system either, but my parents imprinted the general rigidity of that system on me at a young age by telling me stories about how low their chances of success were there, which precipitated their moving to the US according to them, due to their impoverished upbringings and having the wrong accents

but less snarkily in terms of your values if one can even speak of that

The British class system does not seem remotely intricate to me. You go to Winchester School, or Eton, or wherever, then on to Oxbridge, and you are guaranteed access to the best, most powerful, most influential careers in the country if you want it. You're set up to run the country - politics, civil service, the media, the judiciary, the military etc. Seems pretty simple to me.

That's why Rishi Sunak's parents paid for him to go to Winchester.

yeah sorry, gyac, I was overstating things to try and prompt youn to elaborate on what they found significant about that one NYT paragraph. I do think the facts of Sunak's socioeconomic class, racial identity, education, work history, religion, gender, sexuality, etc. are all salient in various ways.

From that Lewis Goddall thread it looks like Johnson is back in all but name. Reckon he won't be that slick in fronting the operation. Lack of experience will also undo Sunak, at which some in that cabinet will turn on him.

ah ok thanks, I think I get it now (though I don't know how relatable you think he is, but maybe that doesn't matter)

The British class system does not seem remotely intricate to me. You go to Winchester School, or Eton, or wherever, then on to Oxbridge, and you are guaranteed access to the best, most powerful, most influential careers in the country _if you want it_. You're set up to run the country - politics, civil service, the media, the judiciary, the military etc. Seems pretty simple to me.

The other thing about Sunak is that he is very very right wing. As the previous leadership contest progressed and it was obvious he couldn't beat Truss he got more and more right wing.

Yeah it was fun seeing the Ben Judah type shit for brains takes about sensibles (the adults are back pt 700) & then he reinstalls the swivel eyed nazi home sec

(which tbh feels like p effective trolling of all the liberal “victory” laps after the tofu thing)

fwiw winchester is considered the most academically rigorous public school (by people who went to public school, many of whom treat "clever" as an insult).

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is it SUE-ELLA? SWAY-ya? SOO-la? yank wants to know, srsly, tho sorry

she was named after Sue Ellen Ewing in Dallas

‘So my name is actually Sue-Ellen, because my mum was a fan of Dallas and thought this would be a great name for her daughter. I’ve been plagued ever since.

‘But my primary school teachers didn’t like the hyphen. So they came up with “Suella” on my little tag for my coat and that stuck.’

She doesn't appear to know anyone under 70. Unsurprising, really.

thx it took me a minute to decide that was likely.

instinct was my bad bad spanish tho, and it is very sticky on synapses, had to go there.

She should consider SWAY-ya, rly. oh shit, that might mean something i guess

even her bald, old looking husband looks in his late 50's (he is younger than me, lol)

Things I, as an outsider, feel are confusing about the British class system:

a) The insistence on calling upper class people "middle class", thus conflating very well off people with people who are just above the working class in terms of financial security

b) The discourse around the cultural component of class - I understand your lived experience doesn't vanish into thin air once you graduate into making a bit more money but there's so many fucking millionaires in this country who say they're working class. Don't think people would put it like that elsewhere - you'd still have salt of the earth posturing, but millionaires in Portugal trying to do this would talk about having come from the working class and made a name for themselves, not claiming to actually be working class currently.

Sorry if these points seem disingenous. It often feels to me like much as the UK is accused of being obsessed about class so much of the chat around it feels straight up designed to obfuscate the material conditions of class.

nah there's a lot of complicated stuff that doesn't get thought thru in general conversation, or maybe even theorised that much

you get a lot of edge cases at the upper limit of working class/lower limit of middle class - shopkeepers, "skilled" manual workers, trades, nurses, coppers, all sorts

imo a classical marxist conception of proletarian probably incorporates a majority of people who consider themselves middle class in 21st century UK which doesn't help either

there's convos to be had and self-analysis to be done and i only think it's an issue when people make sweeping statements, or try to exclude somebody's class experience based on arbitrary markers, or just plain cosplays being working class cos they think we're fucking stupid

example of arbitrary markers - i generally had no concept of my class background until i attended university and met a bunch of people with vastly different backgrounds and experiences to my own. and i still remember the time somebody told me i couldn't be working class simply by dint of being at university. so sometimes the chips get carved deep into your shoulders