like the queen this thread will never die: in which we ALL resign (ourselves to disgusting miseries to post-boris politics 2022)

"If you reward people for treating you like shite on their boot, then they will always treat you like shit and you will deserve to be treated that way."

totally!

and yes there's no mechanism to force a GE which is why performative moral outrage is pretty funny

without even thinking about self-interest or other self-interest groups, vulnerable people, minorities who have been targeted by previous Tory and Labour governments. I hate the fucking Labour Part so much I'd rather see them fail than the Tories. It's not really a morally ambiguous position either, because they are both bigoted, racist austerity parties and at least Mordaunt is fit!

Fit or not Mordaunt has the look of someone who would happily declare martial law. Then again so does Starmer. Not sure where I'm going with this

I'm looking forward to when the polling levels out, because a lot could happen in the next 18 months. And Kieth is sweating because it's all going to be about small margins again and he's remembered that he fucked off millions of voters between 2020-22. Especially in 2022 when he totally went mask off Tory cunt.

Sky News reporter Mark Stone, who is on the flight with Boris Johnson back from the Dominican Republic to Gatwick, said that Johnson was booed by passengers as he boarded.

— Harry Taylor (@HarryTaylr) October 21, 2022

"There he is, seat 3F!"

It's not really a morally ambiguous position either, because they are both bigoted, racist austerity parties and at least Mordaunt is fit!

― calzino, Friday, October 21, 2022

Amusing.

I think I am pro-GE, not because I am pro-Labour (I wouldn't vote Labour and I believe Labour is led by bad people) but just on 'democratic' grounds -- it seems wrong for government to be repeatedly concocted in this current way.

A GE would also let people vote and campaign for other parties, beside the two large and corrupt ones.

Sky currently showing live footage of Boris Johnson's plane arriving at Gatwick Airport. If this country is not an international laughing stock it should be.

... not just brief footage either, they've filmed it approaching the airport, landing at the airport and are currently showing it endlessly taxi-ing down the runway towards the terminal building.

... unforunately the camerman is on the wrong side to capture Johnson getting off the plane.

lots of commentators saying that him being abroad on holiday when Truss resigned was bad optics for him, but I think it's the opposite if anything, gives a bit of a sense of drama, like Khomeini's return to Iran in 1979

Sky currently showing live footage of Boris Johnson's plane arriving at Gatwick Airport. If this country is not an international laughing stock it should be.

FWIW a GE would probably produce lots of MPs (again) for the SNP, the highest ever vote for the Greens (but probably no more MPs?), and I wonder what it would do for Sinn Féin, or Plaid.

I merely observe these as aspects of the fact that a GE is not only about the two biggest parties.

I do not think a GE will occur.

if Boris is returned as leader maybe there will be enough hacked off Tory MPs to force a GE through a VONC? I've heard some of the more senior Tory MPs talking up a period in opposition over clinging on to power through a crisis. Maybe they think that Starmer's timidity, paucity of ideas/political solutions, gormless ham-face and stupid voice will doom him to one term and they can come back stronger after a rebuild period in league 1.

The SNP already have 48 out of 59 seats, they might win a few more but they had 54 seats in the Parliament before and all that proved was how irrelevant Scottish representaion is in Westminster.

if Boris is returned as leader maybe there will be enough hacked off Tory MPs to force a GE through a VONC? I've heard some of the more senior Tory MPs talking up a period in opposition over clinging on to power through a crisis. Maybe they think that Starmer's timidity, paucity of ideas/political solutions, gormless ham-face and stupid voice will doom him to one term and they can come back stronger after a rebuild period in league 1.

The West Brom of politics, probably supported by Adrian Chiles too. PS can we stop calling this cunt 'Boris'?

Hope that disgruntled Tory MPs will do the right thing for the country anyway like they normally do

Tom D: I agree, they have had most of Scotland for a long time. It would hardly be a change. But it would be - yet another - "new mandate for a new referendum".

The only way Johnson gets to the 100 is if enough shitty Red Wall MPs are panicked by their "I voted Labour all me life" constituents telling excited BBC/Sky reporters the Tories should "Bring back Boris". Obviously the media is gagging for a Johnson v Sunak runoff.

Really agree with this.

Kinda want Boris to win tbh. Partly because it would be funny, but also because they mobilised *so many* resources to get this shithead his majority, the least they can do now is put up with the fact that he's their guy.

— Lafargue (@Lafargue) October 22, 2022

I saw a tweet from a reporter saying only 12 MPs will resign the whip. There's more than enough to carry on for another 18 months.

I don't really do podcasts, but I did try some and am familiar with the twitter accounts of some of those involved with them. Last night someone posted that a host of a prominent left-wing podcast sexually assaulted a friend last summer and then stated that he had received multiple dms from other victims, then there are multiple QTs from people saying they also know other women sexually assaulted by him. I'm pretty sure there will be posters on here aware of who he is and even I've had friendly interactions with him in the past.

I've seen this, I don't follow him but have seen plenty of tweets thru mutuals

Which host? RM?

Left/Over

oh which host, he's called Aarjan

Just reading a thread now...such a horrible thing.

Back to other matters.

NEW: I’m told Boris Johnson now has more than 100 backers and so could be on the ballot if he chooses to be

— Chris Mason (@ChrisMasonBBC) October 22, 2022

This is quite good but there's so much ego and shamelessness there.

Here's why I think Johson bottles it

1. Privileges Committee
2. Poor situation to inherit - loathes making painful decisions
3. Thinks Tories will lose in two years - a comeback then is a better bet
4. Would hate to be soundly beaten by Sunak in the indicative vote of MPs

— Chris Jones (@ChrisJones_1) October 22, 2022

Have to assume Johnson and Sunak thrash out some kind of treaty of whoever takes the job is gonna be facing the same instability

He definitely does not want to lose to Rishi Sunak. I assume Johnson will be pressurizing Sunak to drop all these pesky investigations into his behaviour and record in office.

I don’t know if PM can do that, wouldn’t Bojo himself have done that when he was still in office? No 10 was handing stuff over when he was still there probably.

I'm sure he'd have tried to find a way to bend the rules once the findings came out, Sunak has no reason to do so. The other thing is he's a racist so I'm sure he will not liking losing to someone who might not even support England in Test Cricket.

Always true, but Chris Mason needs sacking. Lol who I am I kidding

Reporting this as fact without declaring the source of the claim, when his actual declared number of backers is only at around half this number, isn't great. pic.twitter.com/qwPTEJWPJJ

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) October 22, 2022

Is this thread copium? Has a mueller report era #resistance vibe to me but what do I know?

If Boris Johnson became PM again, given the views of many Tory MPs, this is what I'd be tempted to say if I was Keir Starmer or Ed Davey: "The PM is not fit for office. Nor is the Tory Party. We know that many honourable Tory MPs feel the same way. Now is the time for...' 1/

— David Gauke (@DavidGauke) October 21, 2022

David Gauke is a moron

Even worse he's a boring moron.

People stopped officially giving a shit about fitness for office in 2019

Literally the “have you no decency, sir” of arguments

Lol @ Mason, dickhead.

Caek: yes, that thread is nonsense, from (as I recall) a former Con MP.

It was retweeted into my feed by David edgerton but I guess retweets are not endorsements

There's a left polprof who I follow on Twitter who's pointed out that further erosion of the unwritten rules is not good for the state of government and I can see and nod at the technical points he makes but the genie is not just out of the bottle it's been running amok for several years now

prof Edgerton would be better sticking to history and writing about the innovative rivets used in hawker hurricanes or whatever, because he frequently sucks on UK politics.

britain's war machine is good book though!

Yeah I meant Scanlan who I think is good people

Always wary of Egerton's takes

pic.twitter.com/WGXYP5t6Od

— Wefail (@wefail) October 22, 2022

time to face things as they are

(and fuck sauron)