ok what the fuck is happening in ukraine

Russia has historically had a heavy tolerance for catastrophic losses of human life

shades of westmoreland in this declaration gotta say; but also to the extent that this reputation has been earned (mostly 1812 / 1941?) the context has been defensive-- in contrast the responses to 1905 or 1914 or 1979 were not so sanguine.

even the marches to paris & berlin are the reflections of those defensive ordeals, still full of the energy of the enemy push-- the current regime maybe would like russians to think of this the same way (or at least as the liberation of a neighbor-- more like the red cavalry-- who you know-- believed in something) but that's not as easy a thing to order people to feel as the best media theorists maybe suppose.

I'm not sure who you have in mind, but the actual best media theorists would agree with you completely.

More to the point, this idea that "Russia" has some kind of culturally shared indifference to death is kind of silly. Would you say this about contemporary Germany or Japan? The US historically had a heavy tolerance for loss of life as seen in Vietnam, the WWs, the Civil War, etc. Imperialist regimes are barbaric.

^^^

(i was thinking of putin’s media theorists. overrated?)

lol I guess we'll see

lol salute to the russians calling ahead for surrender plans before theyve been drafted

there are some really really garbage and clueless books about Putin's Russia, out of all the ones I attempted to read and deleted after the first chapter a few months back - Bill Browder's Red Notice has to be up there with the worst shit ever published.

#Ukraine 🇺🇦: remarkable footage from the #Kherson front. A Russian BMP crew waves white flags as it rides towards a Ukrainian position, surrendering to the Ukrainians. pic.twitter.com/ZEs7liiVQn

— Thomas van Linge (@ThomasVLinge) October 5, 2022

kherson is supposed to be where the good russian troops are and now even thats falling apart

surely this is part of Putin's plan to populate Ukraine with Russian speakers

I wouldn't get ahead of ourselves here a LOT of Ukraine is still under Russian control.

the nightmare scenario for russia is they have a bunch of their best guys/stuff on the north side of the river there, which they do, they get overrun by ukraine and are unable to retreat because they only have ferries to get across the river and the leadership hasnt planned appropriately because theyre determined to defend that position, which they are

theyve been at a stand still for months and then in the last few days ukraine has broken through

A timelapse of the development of Ukraine's counter-offensive in Kherson Oblast over the past 5 days. pic.twitter.com/HBMjlrTK4F

— War Mapper (@War_Mapper) October 5, 2022

I wouldn't get ahead of ourselves here a LOT of Ukraine is still under Russian control.

― Fronted by a bearded Phil Collins (Tom D.), Wednesday, October 5, 2022 3:23 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

sure but ukraine is currently taking it back at will, and its pretty clear based on russia doing a mass call up and sending their guys to the front without training or supplies that theyre really hurting right now, like if they felt they could hold the line for a month or two while they got the new conscripts up to speed they would do that

You guys, maybe read some of Marc Bennetts’ books about Russia? He’s been there for a long while but returned to the UK because of Events.

this reputation has been earned (mostly 1812 / 1941?) the context has been defensive

thinking of Finland actually

idk barbarossa followed just quickly enough on its heels that it seems hard to be certain what the domestic upshot for stalin might have been of continuing to fight a grinding border war in alliance with what had just been awkwardly retconned out of being an ideological enemy, rather than the great patriotic antifascist existential one he was suddenly delivered? unsure. nevertheless again empires look much alike in this dept: extremely willing to throw people into the grinder; sometimes able to sustain it; not in as much control of the latter as they’d like.

xxp this guy? https://twitter.com/marcbennetts1

some interesting stuff in his feed

(also a lot of accounts of torture which I tried not to look at)

Putin orders Russia to take control of Zaporizhzhia NPP
Vladimir Putin has ordered Russia to take control of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant – but Kyiv has urged Ukrainian workers there not to sign any documents handed to them by Russian occupiers.

The Russian president ordered the Kremlin to take control of Europe’s largest nuclear power plant, located in one of the four regions in southern Ukraine that he recently annexed.

Russia’s nuclear power operator Rosenergoatom said it would transfer all the existing Ukrainian employees to a new Russian-owned organisation.

But Petro Kotin, the boss of Ukraine’s state energy agency, announced he was taking over the plant – which is feared to possibly cause a nuclear disaster as a result of shelling in the area that Moscow and Kyiv have blamed each other for.

Ukrainian staff have continued to operate the plant after Russian forces captured it in March, following the launch of the invasion on 24 February.

Видео-отчет pic.twitter.com/5iGrv0DWPe

— IgorGirkin (@GirkinGirkin) October 8, 2022

that bridge is looking rather fucked!

Crimean bridge.

"Tolya, I'll be late. The bridge is on fire".

Casual conversations are so amazing sometimes pic.twitter.com/9sU7cY4Omn

— Andro (@ThisIsAndro) October 8, 2022

they took down that bridge thing hardcore damn

some ppl are saying it was a truck bomb but others are saying the explosion was too big to be in a truck but idk seems like you could fit a pretty big explosion inside a truck especially if you had some good stuff for example a missile warhead is smaller than a truck

apparently all trucks entering the bridge have to go through an x-ray and it might be quite difficult to get one rammed with explosives past the security.

ah ok does kind of seem like from the video that the explosion is not coming from the truck but im not sure how reliable that is

Aw shit:

29 min ago
Car traffic resumes on part of Crimean bridge, Russian official says
From CNN's Katharina Krebs and Tim Lister
Car traffic on the undamaged part of the Crimean bridge has resumed, said the Russian-appointed head of Crimea, Sergey Aksenov, in a statement on his Telegram channel on Saturday.

“At the moment, traffic is open to cars and buses with a full inspection procedure. We ask truck drivers to plan their route using the Kerch ferry crossing. The Kerch-2 ferry will begin to sail across the strait in two hours,” he said.

Social media video reviewed by CNN indicates that the westbound lanes on the road bridge were severed, but eastbound lanes appear intact.

According to Aksenov, railway communication on the bridge is set to be renewed by the end of the day.

Russian state media RIA Novosti reported Saturday that the Minister of Transport of the Crimean Republic Nikolai Lukashenko said ships with a capacity of 100 people will be launched to take passengers between Crimea and Russia’s Krasnodar Territory as an alternate method of transport.

Ukraine to issue stamps commemorating Crimean bridge explosion
From CNN’s Xiaofei Xu and Olga Voitovych
The Ukrainian Postal Service will issue new stamps that feature the damaged Kerch Strait bridge, which connected Crimea to Russia, its CEO announced on Saturday.

“I will not wish you a good day, because it is already wonderful. The Kerch bridge is done,” Ukrposhta head Igor Smelyansky said.

The stamp will feature two figures who resemble Hollywood stars Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet in their iconic pose from the 1997 film “Titanic.”

...There is also an envelope with an image of Crimea breaking handcuffs with Russia in the images shared by Smelyansky.

The price of the stamp will be 18 Ukrainian hryvnia ($0.48) each, and Kyiv plans to print 7 million copies for circulation, according to Smelyansky.

Some context: Beyond being the only bridge connecting annexed Crimea to the Russian mainland, the structure had major symbolic significance for Russian President Vladimir Putin’s objective to take over Ukraine and bind it to Russia forever.

A cargo train in Ilovaisk in the Russian-occupied Donetsk region was hit by a “powerful explosion” Saturday morning local time, according to the adviser to the Mariupol Mayor Petro Andrushenko.

“Not only Crimea. Not only fuel tanks. There is also a cargo train in Ilovaisk. Locals report a rather powerful explosion and subsequent detonation at night. The occupiers now have big problems with supplies from both sides,” Andrushenko said, referring to the explosion involving a tanker on the Kerch bridge that links Russia’s Krasnodar region with the Russian-annexed Crimean peninsula.

Pro-Russian authorities in the self-declared republic of Donetsk confirmed the incident, releasing video Saturday showing the fire’s aftermath at a local railway station. It is unclear yet if there were casualties in the blast.

1 hr 18 min ago
Ukrainian Energy Minister warns of possible nuclear accident at Zaporizhzhia as Russian shelling continues

"The good news, Mr President, is we can repair the Crimea Bridge."
"And the bad news?"
"We'll need your table." pic.twitter.com/XTEVrrJgjd

— Tripe Marketing Board (@TripeUK) October 8, 2022

good one Tripe Marketing Board

I feel like it could be a Matt cartoon

https://t.co/J2SHJ6m3qB pic.twitter.com/fivvgh633X

— 🌇vole, mighty digger🌆 (@anti_minotaur) October 8, 2022

lool!

Main thing now seems to be that the road to bridge is so messed up as well, with words like "trickle" and "bottleneck" and "problem for wartime anytime logistics" being bandied about.

Interesting how many high quality photos and videos there are of the bridge just before, during and after the explosion.

— Francis Fukuyama (@FukuyamaFrancis) October 8, 2022

"Be there or be square."

The implication there, which some in the Ukranian government are also pushing, is that this was an inside job by anti-Putin forces in the Russian military and/or secret service.

... unless he's implying it's an inside job being used as a pretext to ramp up the war even further.

Either way...

I took it as Ukraine readiness for major publicity, same with having that stamp ready. But if they could *also* spread rumour of inside job---!

Beginning to wonder if Lukashenko isn't preparing the ground for Belarussian forces invading Ukraine.

Here is a thread from a defense analyst on this question.

Since March,we've been tracking Belarusian military activity. There are some important points to be made. Apart from @MotolkoHelp and @Rochan_CONS, no one else does this as the Belarusian Armed Forces are relatively weak, and apart from Luka's rhetoric, there's nothing there. 1/ https://t.co/uJKJlNfIx1 pic.twitter.com/zQeuETiZek

— Konrad Muzyka - Rochan Consulting (@konrad_muzyka) October 10, 2022

belarus would be foolish to join the war as they from what ive read have a pretty poorly prepared military but who knows they might be foolish or just being bullied by russia

Pro tip: If one poorly prepared military doesn't work, try using two poorly prepared militaries

The frustration of Russian hardliners burst into the open.

Their criticism has been carefully focused on the military, not President Putin. But this is his war: he launched it and he is Russia's supreme commander-in-chief.

That's why Grigory Yudin, from the Moscow School of Social and Economic Sciences, described Monday's mass shelling as "an act of desperation", aimed mostly at solving Mr Putin's internal problems.

Russia's president had embraced the hawks' idea that you have to "scare the opponent to death" so it will surrender, Mr Yudin wrote on Twitter.

The destruction of the Crimea bridge probably pushed him over the edge, and I'm sure the critics were saying something like 'you gonna let them walk all over you? what kind of cossack are you anyway?' So he launches cruise missiles on playgrounds, easy-peasy

I don't see this working at all

yeah hard liners are his base he needs to placate them

Air defenses will form the “crux of the conversation tomorrow,” the first of two days of meetings at NATO headquarters in Brussels.

...The challenge: The West has few air defense systems available for immediate donation, said Tom Karako, a senior fellow with the Center for Strategic and International Studies. For example, Ukraine has asked for the U.S. Patriot missile defense system, but Washington has repeatedly said no due to the relative scarcity of the system, among other reasons.

Other immediate possibilities include the German InfraRed Imaging System Tail, a short to medium-range infrared homing air-to-air missile, or the U.S. Counter-Rocket, Artillery, Mortar system. Israel’s Iron Dome would also fit the bill, but Tel Aviv is expected to nix that proposal.
“There’s nowhere near enough to go around,” Karako said.
...The West could “MacGyver” together an air defense solution for Ukraine by combining different capabilities, Karako said. But the question is what the different countries will be willing to give up from their own supply.

yeah hard liners are his base he needs to placate them

Hasn't he long positioned himself in-between groups rather than having one particular group as his base? Like all the sides are his base to an extent, but also not fully, and he balances

I don't see this working at all

In terms of Ukraine, it won't - especially if Ukraine shot down 50% of the missiles even before getting the improved air defences, and the death count low for such expensive missiles (and more to the point...mabye few in number?)

But in terms of satiating Z-patriots? Maybe? Something of a change in Rus media towards more explicitly celebrating the strikes rather than previous sort of ambiguity. Makes the population more complicit in a sense. IF the purpose was for domestic consumption not sure if too early to say whether its worked or not

Hasn't he long positioned himself in-between groups rather than having one particular group as his base?

yeah but at the end of the day i think its still the hardliners that he can least afford to lose, i mean he is a dictator, hes attacking his neighbors and so forth

not any sort of russia expert but it does look like a pretty hardline situation

having said that it does look like hes put himself in a tough spot! couldve just been chilling selling oil and what not, but dreams of empire simply will not leave him alone

kind of funny hes renewed the ancient russian obsession with securing the european plain, bro no one is going to invade you calm down