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― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:56 (one year ago) link
in regards to the hand, her misreading it makes sense it doesnt really matter how long she looked at it if you think you have a three you can stare at four and think its a three no problem top chess players have thought a piece was on a different square than it was while staring at the board for many minutes
starting to think this was probably it and that Robbi, understandably, did not want to let on that she misread her hand and was perhaps goaded by Garrett's response into insisting it was some kind of insane soul read. if there's one trait a lot of bad players share it's a total inability to ever admit they may have made a bad decision. (alternatively, maybe she *did* peg Garrett's exact hand, but forgot to consider that he would also be bluffing a bunch of other hands that she's losing to) obviously you can break everything down as though you're watching the Zapruder film, like Doug Polk seems to be doing, but the reality is that nerves can be a real factor in these sort of games. she's playing 10x her normal stakes in a televised game vs. someone who had been bullying her around, totally understandable if something in her brain just misfired. hell it's happened to me at the 1/3 game in the casino, I've galaxy brained myself into laydowns I'd never make otherwise
as far as misogyny goes, maybe there was in Garrett's decision to approach her and accuse her of cheating to her face. I can't imagine he'd do that to some of the guys in that lineup. but all that in regards to the hand itself is just plain wrong. if you polled the 100 best players on the planet all 100 would say it was a horrible play. if you polled the 100 worst they'd probably all say it was bad too. the call is incredibly odd no matter how good a poker player you assume Robbi is. fwiw she does seem to have been professionally coached and has been playing for at least a decade, so I'd say she's probably better than at least half the people commenting on this right now
― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:00 (one year ago) link
there's nothing wrong with saying it was a bad play, it's the immediate conclusion on zero proof that she was cheating, forcing her to hand over money that was probably won legitimately, and, as far as I know, continuing to hold on to that money with zero intention of giving it back while not climbing down one bit from the cheating charge despite the fact that it seems unlikely, there's still no proof, and such public claims could easily be the grounds for a defamation suit.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:12 (one year ago) link
not only is there no proof of cheating the allegation doesnt even really make sense
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:14 (one year ago) link
One should always side-eye claims of cheating simply based on odd behavior precisely for reasons detailed above, human error is a thing of many degree. Cheating in a casino itself is hard enough to pull off due to spotters and cameras, much less a poker tournament. Nothing wrong with investigating any potential malfeasance based on the unlikely nature of the bet, but there's a difference between that and drawing the conclusion up front, or drawing it without any corroborating evidence. much like the chess "vibrating anal beads" story.
this is why I like the fishing scandal. something was amiss, so the tournament sponsor cut open the finish, found weights, and began screaming in the faces of the cheaters and told them to leave.
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:24 (one year ago) link
I'm kind of surprised this is still ongoing and that Adelstein hasn't moderated his accusations even a tiny bit as far as I know
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:26 (one year ago) link
I've definitely seen people misread hands during the much lower stakes matches I play in before.
it's me, I'm hands
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:28 (one year ago) link
even had a dealer announce the wrong hand the winner and didn't react quick enough to point out his mistake before he yanked away the cards (which meant I lost out on quite a big pot). wasn't for real money, mind. or I probably would have reacted more
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:29 (one year ago) link
much like the chess "vibrating anal beads" story.
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, October 5, 2022 2:24 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i would just like to say for the record that the anal beads theory originated as a joke on a stream and a bunch of outlets picked it up because of course i mean its irresistible
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:34 (one year ago) link
Oh I totally know it was never a real viable theory, it's just that it went from that joke to people acting as if it is what actually happened or what the person is seriously accused of doing. like my friend shared it w/ me and I was like "this article doesn't say 'he won cos anal beads', it says he's accused of cheating and someone else said "lol what if it was vibrating butt beads"
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:37 (one year ago) link
yeah as nonsensical as calling with Jack high in that spot is I'd argue it's actually more nonsensical to have access to a cheating device the entire stream and only use it on that particular hand. I'm not gonna rule out 100% she was cheating but if she was it almost certainly had to be something specific to that hand. so Garrett saying right away that she was getting buzzed was pretty weird. maybe he knows something or was suspicious beforehand. either way super odd for a guy who you'd think definitely knows how things work in the poker world to make that kind of accusation. he isn't just some random guy.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:42 (one year ago) link
he couldve just had a strong emotional reaction and cant find it in himself to back down
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:47 (one year ago) link
not to mention he has the money and would have to give it back
once he backs down, he gets (rightfully) accused of putting an unfair target on his opponent's back, so he's not going to back down
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:48 (one year ago) link
Uhhhhh….what
Hustler releases a statement that one of the High Stakes Poker production employees took $15,000 of Robbi chip stack after the game!!! WTF is going on??? pic.twitter.com/6hNZooiLxD— Joey Ingram 🐉 (@Joeingram1) October 6, 2022
― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2022 00:06 (one year ago) link
what the hell
― lag∞n, Friday, 7 October 2022 00:07 (one year ago) link
[working a job recording an event] i think i will do a crime during this
― lag∞n, Friday, 7 October 2022 00:09 (one year ago) link
wow he's a reporter: https://lvchronicle.com/author/bryans/
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 7 October 2022 01:35 (one year ago) link
Garrett seems to think this is going to vindicate him somehow, sounds like he knows something. or maybe he's bluffing
― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2022 02:50 (one year ago) link
yeah but even if he is bluffing you still can't call there
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 7 October 2022 02:59 (one year ago) link
This is getting really weird
I received the following statement from @RobbiJadeLew regarding the recent @HCLPokerShow revelation that $15K was taken off her stack.More coming an an article that’ll appear on @PokerNews. pic.twitter.com/8ik91wWwgh— Chad Holloway (@ChadAHolloway) October 7, 2022
― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2022 04:42 (one year ago) link
pretty charitable of her which is cool.
sadly while all this was happening D.B. Cooper came out of hiding, stole the rest of the chips, and parachuted out of the building
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 October 2022 04:45 (one year ago) link
What is going on here
So I got a message … @Joeingram1 pic.twitter.com/4S2zvR5BmQ— Robbi Jade Lew (@RobbiJadeLew) October 7, 2022
― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2022 18:06 (one year ago) link
This woman is…incredibly odd
https://t.co/0Ac06b5DkQ
I don’t think that mysterious box in her pocket was anything but cmon it was not just glare
― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2022 18:16 (one year ago) link
just got on GGpoker, had to hold some BTC while waiting for my affiliate to come through. he took forever and I lost $300 thanks to the dumb crypto market. I know it's probably keeping online poker alive, but still, fuck Bitcoin
― frogbs, Thursday, 9 March 2023 21:42 (one year ago) link
WSOP $1,500 7-Stud is streaming on YouTube (I've never had a PokerGO subscription), and it's been a good watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIStzOpRN44
― underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Monday, 5 June 2023 03:07 (one year ago) link
lol just clicked on it and theyre talking about pokemon
― lag∞n, Monday, 5 June 2023 03:20 (one year ago) link
Fantastic stuff cheers
― nxd, Monday, 5 June 2023 11:18 (one year ago) link
Stayed up past midnight (Pacific Time, even!) watching the last three play this out for hours. Loved it. The wholesome rail vs. the rail of mooks added to it, but mostly it was the first time I had watched an unedited 7-stud tourney for hours.
― underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Monday, 5 June 2023 18:30 (one year ago) link
$3.1 MILLION POT!! THE BIGGEST POT IN THE HISTORY OF TELEVISED POKER!!@TomDwan vs @CryptoApprenti1 Tom Dwan is now winning more than $2 MILLION tonight pic.twitter.com/Fiv7ldVykt— Hustler Casino Live (@HCLPokerShow) May 31, 2023
this stream was incredible
― k3vin k., Monday, 5 June 2023 18:32 (one year ago) link
that's a 1550BB pot which would be the biggest I've ever seen in a cash game by some measure
― frogbs, Monday, 5 June 2023 18:37 (one year ago) link
lmaooo "all in? is that for sure? I'm gonna go get a water"
― frogbs, Monday, 5 June 2023 18:41 (one year ago) link
the big blind ante makes it a little smaller effective but yeah there were some insane hands
― k3vin k., Monday, 5 June 2023 18:43 (one year ago) link
I haven't watched Tom Dwan in a while I had no idea he swore that much
― frogbs, Monday, 5 June 2023 20:50 (one year ago) link
dwan’s really the goat man
― k3vin k., Monday, 5 June 2023 20:53 (one year ago) link
lol I remember when he turned 21 and started playing televised games a lot of people said he'd be broke in a year
― frogbs, Monday, 5 June 2023 20:56 (one year ago) link
the percentage of biggest tv hands ever that hes been involved in is very high
― lag∞n, Monday, 5 June 2023 21:05 (one year ago) link
that High Stakes Poker hand where he bluffed Barry Greenstein and Peter Eastgate w/ QT on the T22 board is still my favorite televised poker hand. blocker bluffing wasn't really a thing back then, especially not in big 3-way pots. it really blew a lot of minds when people figured out what he was doing
― frogbs, Monday, 5 June 2023 21:39 (one year ago) link
its crazy how much better people are now at poker
― lag∞n, Monday, 5 June 2023 23:05 (one year ago) link
Yeah I think your average 25NL reg is probably better now than the high stakes pros were during the poker boom. Thankfully there still seem to be enough whales and shitty rakeback grinders that you can still turn a profit. It’s definitely harder now though. Live poker on the other hand hasn’t really changed much at all.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 00:45 (one year ago) link
we need legal online play in order to usher in another poker boom
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 00:58 (one year ago) link
the other day I listened to a podcast which argued that the biggest change in understanding between now and 20 years ago is in how much variance there really is, especially in PLO where it's possible to have hot or cold streaks which last years. ultimately he says that in the pre-online era it really wasn't possible to play enough hands to get a good handle on who the best players really were, and that virtually every "pro" who played big and made a lot of money pre-Party Poker was either rich enough to ride out the variance or just started on a heater. he thinks there were probably dozens of potential Tom Dwans and Junglemen out there but few of them ran as good as they did where they could really commit themselves to the game. definitely rings true for me at least, had I not run well my first few months playing online I probably would have given it up within a year. poker is so uniquely frustrating when you're on an extended downswing, it just feels like there's nothing you can do but give up.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 01:05 (one year ago) link
whenever this thread pops up I end up watching an hour of poker highlights on Youtube and I don't know why - I haven't played a hand in a decade and I was absolutely terrible even among friends who were also bad, I don't have the attention span to play cards for more than like 20 minutes at a blackjack table.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 01:44 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDt90EyZnWA
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 29 June 2023 04:00 (one year ago) link
incredible - was laughing throughout the entire section with Hellmuth and Gus. though his math on the Gus Hansen section is way off - that only applies if you get called by everyone, and if you did technically you'd only have to win once to win the tournament. I would guess just blind shoving every hand in a 6 person sit n' god you'd probably have like a 6-8% chance of winning it all.
god I used to love watching this stuff in college. better than any game show if you ask me. watching these dudes in the WSOP go on 3 day heaters, suddenly finding themselves at a featured table and allowing themselves to think just a little about the possibility of a big payout and some TV fame, only to get doinked by an 8 on the river. after which the camera just lingers on their face as they realize they will almost certainly never have this opportunity again. tough to watch I guess but still, great people-watching. also so many of them were massive dicks so it was easy to figure out who to root for.
― frogbs, Thursday, 29 June 2023 14:05 (one year ago) link
https://philgalfond.beehiiv.com/p/elephant-poker-room
galfond could certainly use an editor, but I completely agree. doug is an amazing player and peerless analyst (when he puts work into it…he doesn’t prep as much for his videos these days) but he’s a bully and his non-analysis videos suck
― k3vin k., Friday, 30 June 2023 23:15 (one year ago) link
Charlie Carrel is an antivaxxer who I had to block because he shares too much LibsOfTikTok bullshit, seems like one of the last guys who should be talking about "empathy". Regardless Doug is a total dick whose brain has been infected by YouTube disease, he's a great analytical player but shockingly unnuanced when it comes to any other topic.
the JNandez thing was real bullshit too, I primarily play PLO these days so I know his stuff pretty well, dude definitely seems legit to me. Doug feels like he's trying to be some Fantano-type personality whose appeal expands beyond poker while JNandez really is all business. dragging his name through the mud was a real dick move.
I like Galfond, like DNegs he seems like one of the actual good guys in poker, but yeah that sure was a lot of words
― frogbs, Monday, 3 July 2023 14:03 (one year ago) link
just catching up on this doug polk is a bull story ten months later and i dont think its necessarily wrong that doug is a bully but i think theres some nuance missing in galfonds essay and other talk ive seen on the situation which is that matt berkey is a weird dick whos always "speaking his mind", prob a bit of a cry bully sitch going on here, got into a beef with doug which i dont totally know the origins of but i remember he said he was gonna play in a game doug was playing in and was talking shit like these math guys may be good online but get them on the felt where im king and well see whats up and then backed out, so berkey is beefing with doug hes pretty unlikable not totally honest he runs a coaching site thats prob not very good and doug is like this guy sucks i hate him which is a not unreasonable conclusion, but he doesnt really consider his position of power or maybe he just thinks its cool and good that hes powerful and its his right to crush berkey, whatever it is he obvs took it way too far and deserved to be called on it, but berkey jumped in the octogon and got wrecked too
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 May 2024 16:00 (four months ago) link
i watched an episode of that show where the players wear headphones to block out the sound so they can talk about the hands while they play and berkey and his protege were on and they were just not cool or nice guys very arrogant and lame, so i can understand how when a guy who sucks steps to you its just insulting, even by poker standards they came off as notably low quality guys
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 May 2024 16:07 (four months ago) link
wait a sec what is this show, feel like even if you can't hear exactly what people are saying there are still all sorts of tells you could pick up just hearing a guy talk about what he's actually thinking in a hand
I agree most big name poker players are arrogant and obnoxious, comes with the territory I guess. I mean the way the game works even the best players still lose a ton so maybe they always feel like they have something to prove. Polk in particular is a guy I wouldn't mind never seeing again.
― frogbs, Monday, 6 May 2024 16:43 (four months ago) link