garrett also left the game after this hand and weirdly she gave him his money back too
― nxd, Friday, 30 September 2022 18:41 (one year ago) link
Garrett blocked me. Guilty as charged. What an honest man. He cornered me & threatened me. If he has the audacity to give me the death stare ON camera, picture what it’s like OFF camera. I was pulled out of the game & forced to speak to him in a dark hallway. Full details to come— Robbi Jade Lew (@RobbiJadeLew) September 30, 2022
― The self-titled drags (Eazy), Friday, 30 September 2022 21:09 (one year ago) link
well of course you got the death stare on camera, you just made maybe the craziest call in televised poker history in a huge pot
kinda fun to see people proclaim her innocence by saying "she's a bad player, bad players make bad plays", it kinda belies the notion that most of the people commenting on this have no clue what they're talking about. just because someone is bad at something doesn't mean they do the worst possible thing every chance they get. if an NBA player suddenly starts shooting at the wrong hoop you don't say "what do you expect, he sucks". Robbi's play here is one of the few spots in poker where there's a clearly wrong decision, even if you have a read you are very confident in. this doesn't mean she cheated of course but the only times I've seen calls like this are when the person was revealed to be a superuser OR when they were 37 Coors Lights deep
obviously Adelstein handled this in a really bad way but he's also one of the most experienced and recognizable players out there now so I at least put some stock into the idea that if he thinks something's up then something probably is. its not like he hasn't lost big pots on camera in bizarre ways before.
― frogbs, Friday, 30 September 2022 21:33 (one year ago) link
This is also my home game, so was a fun detail:
J4o is our home game’s prop hand ( the buzzsaw ), but today its ceiling has been reached. Who knew there would be so much collateral damage 🎈— 🎈Brandon Shack-Harris (@Oscillator_WSOP) September 30, 2022
― The self-titled drags (Eazy), Friday, 30 September 2022 21:40 (one year ago) link
wow looks like this story has actually become somewhat mainstream as evidenced by bad takes like this one getting 250k+ likes
I am hearing now that dudes are mad at a woman for beating them in poker because she gambled on a statistically bad hand after reading her opponent’s tells, which is, as far as I was aware, the exact reason they call poker “gambling” and not “statistics”— Katie Martin (@katiedimartin) October 2, 2022
― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 14:54 (one year ago) link
yeah, it's been all over the place, the idea that he was bluffing therefore it was smart of her to call seems like a pretty plausible description of her (very wrong) thought process
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 15:16 (one year ago) link
In the low-stakes regular game where I play, there's one player in particular who gets morally incensed any time someone beats him on a hand they obviously should have folded. It's a lot easier to do when there's only like $5 in the pot, of course, but to him it's the principle of the thing: People shouldn't play bad poker, regardless of the outcome.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 15:58 (one year ago) link
in poker you want people to play bad against you lol
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:03 (one year ago) link
this is true, but the flip side is sometimes they win regardless, and it's foolish to be a big crybaby about it
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:07 (one year ago) link
yeah if you cant accept that the worse play wins sometimes then poker is prob not the game for you
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:09 (one year ago) link
in regards to the hand, her misreading it makes sense it doesnt really matter how long she looked at it if you think you have a three you can stare at four and think its a three no problem top chess players have thought a piece was on a different square than it was while staring at the board for many minutes, seeing his cards could also work, if you had a cheating set up with someone telling you the cards or whatever it would be an insane spot to use that cheat in but people do insane things
always funny when you misread your hand thinking youre strong and end up winning on what was really a bluff
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:11 (one year ago) link
Yeah, he actually quit playing for about six months once because he was so mad about a bad beat. I agree this is his problem, not poker's.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:22 (one year ago) link
he should play chess the good play wins every time
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:23 (one year ago) link
yep, no cheating scandals in chess, no siree...
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:24 (one year ago) link
people cheating in chess is funny, i guess i can understand it at the top levels theres some sort of real benefit but doing it, against average players online whats the point, yet people do do it, every once in a while lichess will give me 5 points back because i lost to someone who was caught cheating lol
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:27 (one year ago) link
That Katie Martin thread makes me mad because of the "lol I admit I don't know how poker works so I'm going to summarize the scenario in the most reductive incorrect way possible, double down, and ignore all the actual well-intentioned corrections offered by people ".
Like the idea that misogyny has nothing to do with this is probably wrong, I'm sure that a male doing this would also have been put on blast, and they have been in the past, but their excuses/alternate explanations would be more likely to be believed, perhaps default assumption wouldn't be cheating for some. Not to mention the dark alley confrontation which was probably terrifying.
But the inability to accept that the situation was seen as suspect for legitimate reasons is just willful ignorance, even accepting that. Esp since tweet thread poster is a Ph.D student and capable of doing the homework.
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:40 (one year ago) link
there 100% was misogyny involved here but the conclusion that "she made a brilliant play actually" is way wrong
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:51 (one year ago) link
Otm
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:56 (one year ago) link
in regards to the hand, her misreading it makes sense it doesnt really matter how long she looked at it if you think you have a three you can stare at four and think its a three no problem top chess players have thought a piece was on a different square than it was while staring at the board for many minutes
starting to think this was probably it and that Robbi, understandably, did not want to let on that she misread her hand and was perhaps goaded by Garrett's response into insisting it was some kind of insane soul read. if there's one trait a lot of bad players share it's a total inability to ever admit they may have made a bad decision. (alternatively, maybe she *did* peg Garrett's exact hand, but forgot to consider that he would also be bluffing a bunch of other hands that she's losing to) obviously you can break everything down as though you're watching the Zapruder film, like Doug Polk seems to be doing, but the reality is that nerves can be a real factor in these sort of games. she's playing 10x her normal stakes in a televised game vs. someone who had been bullying her around, totally understandable if something in her brain just misfired. hell it's happened to me at the 1/3 game in the casino, I've galaxy brained myself into laydowns I'd never make otherwise
as far as misogyny goes, maybe there was in Garrett's decision to approach her and accuse her of cheating to her face. I can't imagine he'd do that to some of the guys in that lineup. but all that in regards to the hand itself is just plain wrong. if you polled the 100 best players on the planet all 100 would say it was a horrible play. if you polled the 100 worst they'd probably all say it was bad too. the call is incredibly odd no matter how good a poker player you assume Robbi is. fwiw she does seem to have been professionally coached and has been playing for at least a decade, so I'd say she's probably better than at least half the people commenting on this right now
― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:00 (one year ago) link
there's nothing wrong with saying it was a bad play, it's the immediate conclusion on zero proof that she was cheating, forcing her to hand over money that was probably won legitimately, and, as far as I know, continuing to hold on to that money with zero intention of giving it back while not climbing down one bit from the cheating charge despite the fact that it seems unlikely, there's still no proof, and such public claims could easily be the grounds for a defamation suit.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:12 (one year ago) link
not only is there no proof of cheating the allegation doesnt even really make sense
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:14 (one year ago) link
One should always side-eye claims of cheating simply based on odd behavior precisely for reasons detailed above, human error is a thing of many degree. Cheating in a casino itself is hard enough to pull off due to spotters and cameras, much less a poker tournament. Nothing wrong with investigating any potential malfeasance based on the unlikely nature of the bet, but there's a difference between that and drawing the conclusion up front, or drawing it without any corroborating evidence. much like the chess "vibrating anal beads" story.
this is why I like the fishing scandal. something was amiss, so the tournament sponsor cut open the finish, found weights, and began screaming in the faces of the cheaters and told them to leave.
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:24 (one year ago) link
I'm kind of surprised this is still ongoing and that Adelstein hasn't moderated his accusations even a tiny bit as far as I know
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:26 (one year ago) link
I've definitely seen people misread hands during the much lower stakes matches I play in before.
it's me, I'm hands
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:28 (one year ago) link
even had a dealer announce the wrong hand the winner and didn't react quick enough to point out his mistake before he yanked away the cards (which meant I lost out on quite a big pot). wasn't for real money, mind. or I probably would have reacted more
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:29 (one year ago) link
much like the chess "vibrating anal beads" story.
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, October 5, 2022 2:24 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i would just like to say for the record that the anal beads theory originated as a joke on a stream and a bunch of outlets picked it up because of course i mean its irresistible
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:34 (one year ago) link
Oh I totally know it was never a real viable theory, it's just that it went from that joke to people acting as if it is what actually happened or what the person is seriously accused of doing. like my friend shared it w/ me and I was like "this article doesn't say 'he won cos anal beads', it says he's accused of cheating and someone else said "lol what if it was vibrating butt beads"
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:37 (one year ago) link
yeah as nonsensical as calling with Jack high in that spot is I'd argue it's actually more nonsensical to have access to a cheating device the entire stream and only use it on that particular hand. I'm not gonna rule out 100% she was cheating but if she was it almost certainly had to be something specific to that hand. so Garrett saying right away that she was getting buzzed was pretty weird. maybe he knows something or was suspicious beforehand. either way super odd for a guy who you'd think definitely knows how things work in the poker world to make that kind of accusation. he isn't just some random guy.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:42 (one year ago) link
he couldve just had a strong emotional reaction and cant find it in himself to back down
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:47 (one year ago) link
not to mention he has the money and would have to give it back
once he backs down, he gets (rightfully) accused of putting an unfair target on his opponent's back, so he's not going to back down
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:48 (one year ago) link
Uhhhhh….what
Hustler releases a statement that one of the High Stakes Poker production employees took $15,000 of Robbi chip stack after the game!!! WTF is going on??? pic.twitter.com/6hNZooiLxD— Joey Ingram 🐉 (@Joeingram1) October 6, 2022
― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2022 00:06 (one year ago) link
what the hell
― lag∞n, Friday, 7 October 2022 00:07 (one year ago) link
[working a job recording an event] i think i will do a crime during this
― lag∞n, Friday, 7 October 2022 00:09 (one year ago) link
wow he's a reporter: https://lvchronicle.com/author/bryans/
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 7 October 2022 01:35 (one year ago) link
Garrett seems to think this is going to vindicate him somehow, sounds like he knows something. or maybe he's bluffing
― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2022 02:50 (one year ago) link
yeah but even if he is bluffing you still can't call there
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 7 October 2022 02:59 (one year ago) link
This is getting really weird
I received the following statement from @RobbiJadeLew regarding the recent @HCLPokerShow revelation that $15K was taken off her stack.More coming an an article that’ll appear on @PokerNews. pic.twitter.com/8ik91wWwgh— Chad Holloway (@ChadAHolloway) October 7, 2022
― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2022 04:42 (one year ago) link
pretty charitable of her which is cool.
sadly while all this was happening D.B. Cooper came out of hiding, stole the rest of the chips, and parachuted out of the building
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 October 2022 04:45 (one year ago) link
What is going on here
So I got a message … @Joeingram1 pic.twitter.com/4S2zvR5BmQ— Robbi Jade Lew (@RobbiJadeLew) October 7, 2022
― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2022 18:06 (one year ago) link
This woman is…incredibly odd
https://t.co/0Ac06b5DkQ
I don’t think that mysterious box in her pocket was anything but cmon it was not just glare
― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2022 18:16 (one year ago) link
just got on GGpoker, had to hold some BTC while waiting for my affiliate to come through. he took forever and I lost $300 thanks to the dumb crypto market. I know it's probably keeping online poker alive, but still, fuck Bitcoin
― frogbs, Thursday, 9 March 2023 21:42 (one year ago) link
WSOP $1,500 7-Stud is streaming on YouTube (I've never had a PokerGO subscription), and it's been a good watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIStzOpRN44
― underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Monday, 5 June 2023 03:07 (one year ago) link
lol just clicked on it and theyre talking about pokemon
― lag∞n, Monday, 5 June 2023 03:20 (one year ago) link
Fantastic stuff cheers
― nxd, Monday, 5 June 2023 11:18 (one year ago) link
Stayed up past midnight (Pacific Time, even!) watching the last three play this out for hours. Loved it. The wholesome rail vs. the rail of mooks added to it, but mostly it was the first time I had watched an unedited 7-stud tourney for hours.
― underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Monday, 5 June 2023 18:30 (one year ago) link
$3.1 MILLION POT!! THE BIGGEST POT IN THE HISTORY OF TELEVISED POKER!!@TomDwan vs @CryptoApprenti1 Tom Dwan is now winning more than $2 MILLION tonight pic.twitter.com/Fiv7ldVykt— Hustler Casino Live (@HCLPokerShow) May 31, 2023
this stream was incredible
― k3vin k., Monday, 5 June 2023 18:32 (one year ago) link
that's a 1550BB pot which would be the biggest I've ever seen in a cash game by some measure
― frogbs, Monday, 5 June 2023 18:37 (one year ago) link
lmaooo "all in? is that for sure? I'm gonna go get a water"
― frogbs, Monday, 5 June 2023 18:41 (one year ago) link