like the queen this thread will never die: in which we ALL resign (ourselves to disgusting miseries to post-boris politics 2022)

yep

oh christ I clicked on it. McT has a Starmer piece in it as well.

and guess what, it's bad not good!

He secured his greatest triumph when party delegates belted out “God Save The King” this weekend on their conference’s opening day. There were no boos or catcalls — just genuine passion.

xxxp "eat my dirt, sickle beard!"

I think there's another thread - ha, probably more than one - talking about PR in the UK. I think on balance electoral reform would be a good thing but at the moment I don't see it being anything other than a recipe for a soft right stranglehold on parliament. Probably should still happen simply because it's more ethical than FPTP but it's no panacea

In this country it would mean the Lib Dems would often function as kingmaker so critical support to Kieth here lol.

yah always selfishly been in favour of pr just so i could finally vote in a general election and feel like my vote counts. of course now i won't vote labour so i probably wouldn't bother anyway.
xp

The reports have said that Lab are ignoring PR. They have to push that line otherwise coalition of chaos makes a comeback xp

yeah I think Kieth or one of his creepazoids has said it would be like an admission that they can't win in the FPTP system

As Scotland is gone it would take a house market crash to keep Tories at home and deliver a majority to Labour.

Ultimately it's a load of tripe. Democracy is never very representational, at least 30% don't ever bother with it. PR is too much of a 'one neat trick' to re-shape the fundamental problems we have.

What little I've seen in the way of leftist progress in Europe (and I stress it's not much to write home about) is almost always down to small leftist parties getting into coalitions with the labour equivalents (which will always tend towards the centre left if not centre right). Wouldn't PR make this a more viable way for the left in the UK? And isn't the fact that the libs dems are the third biggest party reflective of fptp, i.e. within such a system only ppl with LibDem brain would bother joining a third party?

I can envisage Labour making something of a comeback in Scotland. The only way is up after all.

My feeling is that the Labour Party currently is far more likely to go into coalition with parties or MPs nominally to its right

I think that piece by Bastani is just pure positioning, like this stuff.

I've had many political differences with @lisanandy but this is massive and incredibly welcome. There is no bigger political issue in the UK than housing and this is a straightforward declaration for a socialist approach over continuity neoliberalism. https://t.co/uybqizc7kr

— Jeremy Gilbert (@jemgilbert) September 27, 2022

You might see some kind of meld of "nice" Tories and Lib Dems increasing the chances of that

Sorry for XPs, I don't get the warning on my phone

The lab right will never allow them within an inch. They'll never get rent controls out of this lot!

Under pr a left alternative could put pressure on Lab but UKIP did do so under the old system xxp

Or current system

My feeling is that the Labour Party currently is far more likely to go into coalition with parties or MPs nominally to its right

Sure, and this is by and large true for its continental equivalents too. The trick is for electoral results to align in a way that they don't have the choice.

Well UKIP was as much a pressure group as a party looking for any kind of electoral victory, I suppose it's *possible* that a single issue left party could bring something like that about under the current system but doesn't seem very likely to me.

Not an electoral party, agree.

State of this.

Starmer is now changing tone. Missions do not achieve themselves, he says. You need to make tough choices.

He says Labour will set up an Office for Value for Money, ensuring money is spent well. And that means that the government will not be able to spend money on things a Labour party would like to do as quickly as they would want.

Snappy sentence.

great way of breaking pledges: honest, was going to nationalise energy, but office for vfm says no.

the quiet man is turning up the volume!

office for value for money??? how are they this bad.

OFFICE4VALUE4MONEY4U

terrible news for the MoD oh wait

That policy gives the lie to all of the other shit they’re peddling - it’s all got a massive asterisk beside it

shocked. shocked, I tells you

UPDATE: Rupa Huq has now had the whip suspended by Keir Starmer for her comments about the Chancellor earlier today. https://t.co/vBkmqlxwcy

— Paul Brand (@PaulBrandITV) September 27, 2022

'superficially black' is very unfortunate phrasing, but it feels like it's not a good thing that about half of the time when a public figure is censured for racism it's a member of an ethnic minority who has said something that upset the tory party

is the full context of what she said available anywhere? the second quote about the 'little brown guy' is barely intelligible on its own

xp she was commenting on his privilege and background which sounds incredibly bad!

Explained better here

if that MP was gunning for Kwarteng's blackness because he's evil, it would be a bit less icky to me, but looking at this full quote, she's actually saying he's 'superficially Black' because he sounds posh and had an elite education...

— natty kasambala (@nattykasambala) September 27, 2022

she could have made some valid points about how meaningless so-called representation is in Kwarteng's case without using that terrible phrase.

Yeah, it’s a deeply weird connection to make at best, there are rich black people same as anyone else and that aspect isn’t really her place to comment on…

predictable response of all the worst racists on twitter calling out her racism.

Just pathetic.

Some new detail on Great British Energy - the publicly owned energy firm announced in Keir Starmer's speech

- It is a generation company, not retail
- Labour is not nationalising any existing company, supplier or retail
- This is effectively a start-up to grow British renewables

— Jessica Elgot (@jessicaelgot) September 27, 2022

When you're contorting things this much just to preserve the functions of the economic status quo it's an enormous red flag

Needing to de-carbonise to save the planet (forget that, how about your sorry selves) and this is the response?

Lol.

There's a real chance Labour will face a 1997 situation at the next election: a once-in-a-generation chance to transform the UK. Blair was too cautious. Starmer can't make the same mistakes. Labour must plan for full-spectrum constitutional, political, social and economic reform. https://t.co/z3F90g0dSL

— Jeremy Cliffe (@JeremyCliffe) September 27, 2022

Cliffe is demanding more of Lab than Owen Jones who called this speech 'fine'.

Blair wasn't too cautious, those were his politics ffs

willing to grudgingly accept "too cautious" as a widely-understood euphemism for "pissed away a twice-in-a-century chance to change the polical direction of the UK"

anyone believing kier starmer or tony blair has/had any desire to truly transform the country is an idiot or a political commentator "at it". the most they aspire to is making the place ever so slightly better to live in for a slightly widely part of the population than previous.

*slightly wider

the moment starmer gets any push back from the institutions and companies at the top table now he'll cave and apologise for even having had the thought in the first place.

Painfully accurate

If you need to vote for a racist, transphobic, deeply establishment party to assuage some kind of bad childhood feeling about the other team well, good luck with that