like the queen this thread will never die: in which we ALL resign (ourselves to disgusting miseries to post-boris politics 2022)

anyway, as you were. just curious why anyone in the uk gives a shit about interest rates given how the mortgage market there works.

ok. always fun to chat.

Likewise.

i have no memory of that post, but reading it back it's a bad post and it barely makes sense. sorry.

Here are other American internet ppl reacting to mortgage rates

I always forget that mortgage rates in Europe and the uk aren’t fixed https://t.co/mnl9w4RCE3

— suzuki ingmar burgman (@xoayquanh) September 26, 2022

Great, any party will have to deal with Lib Dems till the end of civilization. I vote dictatorship.

BREAKING: Labour conference just voted to support Proportional Representation.

— LCER (@Labour4PR) September 26, 2022

xp: another American who is devastated at these rates.

Aghast to learn the UK has a substantial number of mortgage holders with floating rates. The coming crisis will absolutely devastate a lot of peoples' lives, with lots of folks possibly losing their homes https://t.co/aug2hmgdGW

— René 🟥 (@rcmoya84) September 26, 2022

he should read the bit on money saving expert where lewis tells uk borrowers not to worry about variable rates.

it’s almost as if it were grossly immoral to profit from a system that loads up so much risk onto families and individuals borrowing money for shelter sorry just gonna stop myself there

i thought PR was off the table so conference will just be ignored?

well apparently not. great news for Femi and other melts

What a weird photo

Great to be on the same team as @GNev2. pic.twitter.com/nUCzpSXdfE

— Keir Starmer (@Keir_Starmer) September 26, 2022

Money is made up so..

If it is true that the Tories leaked information to Truss supporting hedge fund managers about the mini-budget which allowed them to make billions by betting that the pound will fall, then this is a scandal of Watergate proportions which should bury them for a generation pic.twitter.com/g3S1RrIH0A

— Stephen Reicher (@ReicherStephen) September 26, 2022

FT looking for a cut in spending with a heavy heart 💓

https://www.ft.com/content/d357477c-4021-4fb2-adfd-73cfc20f014c

Bullish bets and going long on the pound would mean hedge funds lost money, mind.

https://www.tomorrowspapers.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Daily-Star-20.jpg

a+ headline

Haha...yes!

I hate to admit it, but Keir Starmer is good at politics.

The most mentioned word in Machiavelli's Prince is 'necessity'. Doing what is necessary is all Starmer is driven by. The left should watch, and learn. Me for @unherdhttps://t.co/dRK4A12kM6

— Aaron Bastani (@AaronBastani) September 26, 2022

If he convinces enough people that the poll lead is because Labour is the party of rules and responsibility, it's going to be a very long rest of eternity.

i think we can expect some genuinely socially unpleasant stuff from a Kieth government, but as with everything in UK politics i get no sense of the reality of how much of the public is invested in him or Labour from social/media, polls etc

one of the most important reasons not to vote Labour for me is the hope that these creeps won't be able to claim a mandate based solely on dislike for the incumbents

hah hah did Bastani lose a bet or something.

(xp) That's how it works though.

Lilico knows

I still think the market reaction was mainly to what the mini-Budget said about the BoE decision, but I've thought of a potential secondary factor. The market may have felt that the mini-Budget implied a Labour victory in 2024/25 is more likely than they had previously thought.+

— Andrew Lilico (@andrew_lilico) September 26, 2022

The odd thing about Bastani's claims now is that he has frequently stated before that KS is *bad* at politics, because inexperienced. So he seems to be U-turning on this particular assertion.

PR and electoral reform would be good. It is good that the Labour conference voted for them. The fact that the Labour leadership then states they will ignore this shows that what conference votes for is meaningless and they might as well not hold a conference. The media do not mention this last fact.

i imagine the implied hook of bastani's piece is that this piece represents -- or just plain presents -- an epiphany (which is indeed a fancy greek term for u-turn)

i'm also guessing that he only properly read machiavelli pretty recently and it BLEW. HIS. MIND.

but the second bit may be unfair (also unfair: i'm not going to read this piece, bcz no one needs to read bastani in any longer format than the tweet)

He has been talking about things like Machiavelli for years - I think this is a long-term reference point for him. Part of his schtick is to use very old theories and models, especially eg: Italian Renaissance, amid C21 modernity.

lol sounds like i'd enjoy reading him (not going to tho)

writing it in unherd is the cherry on the cake. He frequently has made bad grandstanding posts and then later taken an opposite position with no acknowledgement that he was previously full of shit - as seen in some of the replies when he's posting about The Labour Files. I'm not going to give a click to unherd or this daft cunt, but he seems to have done a reverse version of what I described here. Another of his previous takes was Kieth is bad at politics and his politics are bad, but you've still got to vote for him.

What is Unherd? Is it like Spiked or something, right-wing libertarian?

yes pretty similar and right-wing libertarian. The funny thing is, apparently they don't even pay that much.

A second Woodrow has hit the Bastani

— labourfan69 (@labourfan69) September 26, 2022

https://unherd.com/author/terry-eagleton/

😃

it has pretensions to being an inclusive intellectual journal albeit one weighted towards the right -- and at one time it *did* i believe pay quite well but no longer (tho as is the way of things it may bung useful names a lot more than e.g. mere scribblers like me) (i have never pitched to unherd)

tbf i don't think it's as flagrantly and needily cynical as sp!ked but what is

Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour would crush civil society
BY ROGER SCRUTON

time to see if the salisbury review still exists

it does!

oh yeah Pinefox, I forgot to mention Douglas Murray has written a lot for them.

https://salisburyreview.com/wp-content/uploads/salisbury-review-3.png

unherd is a safe space for terfs iirc

yep

oh christ I clicked on it. McT has a Starmer piece in it as well.

and guess what, it's bad not good!

He secured his greatest triumph when party delegates belted out “God Save The King” this weekend on their conference’s opening day. There were no boos or catcalls — just genuine passion.

xxxp "eat my dirt, sickle beard!"

I think there's another thread - ha, probably more than one - talking about PR in the UK. I think on balance electoral reform would be a good thing but at the moment I don't see it being anything other than a recipe for a soft right stranglehold on parliament. Probably should still happen simply because it's more ethical than FPTP but it's no panacea

In this country it would mean the Lib Dems would often function as kingmaker so critical support to Kieth here lol.

yah always selfishly been in favour of pr just so i could finally vote in a general election and feel like my vote counts. of course now i won't vote labour so i probably wouldn't bother anyway.
xp

The reports have said that Lab are ignoring PR. They have to push that line otherwise coalition of chaos makes a comeback xp

yeah I think Kieth or one of his creepazoids has said it would be like an admission that they can't win in the FPTP system

As Scotland is gone it would take a house market crash to keep Tories at home and deliver a majority to Labour.

Ultimately it's a load of tripe. Democracy is never very representational, at least 30% don't ever bother with it. PR is too much of a 'one neat trick' to re-shape the fundamental problems we have.