like the queen this thread will never die: in which we ALL resign (ourselves to disgusting miseries to post-boris politics 2022)

The Prince Charles Philip Arthur George is a really impractical name for a pub.

luckily there'll be no pubs left by next year

“Two soups” pic.twitter.com/g23Zp536Bq

— Robin Flavell (@RobinFlavell) September 9, 2022

i was going to post earlier that the problem with the nairn book (enchanted glass) is not in my opinion that great but its weakness is the anderson-nairn thesis

and i didn't bcz i was too busy to stop and explain what the anderson-nairn thesis was

anyway i just realised that the thesis is basically anderson and nairn yelling "totally normal country" for hundreds of pages, which is fine for a shitposting twitter account but thin stuff if yr a marxist historian trying to explain the exact thing yr shouting so you just shout it again

also "ukania" is like a morrissey shtick, to me

the problem with

is that the one about the foreshortened bourgeois revolution? if so it's the kind of thing that sounds vaguely plausible but i can see it being used to explain away everything weird in an ultimately unilluminating way

ukania is an irritating bit

still want to read it since any left writing that takes the monarchy seriously is strangley uncommon in the uk. though there may be something better

i'm being a bit flippant as per but really just the claim that like france had a PROPER revolution but the uk didn't -- than taking enormous pains to explain the difference (fine) while maintaining this abstract normative hierarchy abt what revolutions *shd* be like based more than anything on intellectual snobbery (anderson's besetting mode) and over-excitement abt france in the late 60s (fair enough, easy to get caught up in at the time)

except 50 years later i'm not really seeing how that the "good and proper" revolutions elsewhere (bourgeois and other) led to self-evidently better places

still want to read it since any left writing that takes the monarchy seriously is strangley uncommon in the uk. though there may be something better

Nairn would point out that any writing that takes the monarchy seriously is strangely uncommon in the UK.

I've been at the Vaneigem again this morning, I mean obv given the current circumstances, and almost the first point he makes in Revolution of Everyday Life is that the French Revolution very much failed to be good or proper

(which isn't to say if the Terror hadn't been allowed to complete it's task it couldn't've been, rest in power St Just)

i feel like "by definition" a revolution is not going to be etc (but this is my own chaotic priors so)

also i'm in the middle of rereading the black jacobins which is not polite abt the so-called revolutionaries back in paris (doesn't mention st juste but robespierre did not cover himself in glory)

I do remember it being somewhat heartening in describing the common people of Paris coming out onto the streets in support of the revolution in Haiti, but political power did not share in this solidarity

except 50 years later i'm not really seeing how that the "good and proper" revolutions elsewhere (bourgeois and other) led to self-evidently better places

it could be that the revolution *didn't* lead to a fairer distribution of wealth & power, it just put different people in charge, or it could be that it *did* lead to that (with the usual caveats, i.e., only if one happened to be male, and in many cases, white), but things simply became inequitable again between then and now. Pretty sure that in the case of the US things did get better initially only for them to greatly worsen since. I don't know enough about French history to know in which camp France falls into.

I would say France at least has a healthier culture of protest and civil disobedience than the UK tho how much of that exhibits true power and how much ends up as folklore is an open question I guess.

Which French revolution are we talking about, there's been a few.

usually, ‘la Révolution’ is the 1789 one.

The reason France is a republic now has precious little to do with the French Revolution. It pretty much happened by accident, many decades later after the downfall of Napoleon III when they offered the crown to a Bourbon descendant who refused because he didn't like the tricolor flag.

refusenik bourbon descendent otm it sucks there is only one good flag

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Unidentified_West_African_flag.svg/2560px-Unidentified_West_African_flag.svg.png

Pretty sure that in the case of the US things did get better initially only for them to greatly worsen since. I don't know enough about French history to know in which camp France falls into.

― Grandpont Genie, Saturday, September 10, 2022 9:08 AM (fifty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

american revolution is a weird one cause it was the local aristocracy revolting against the home office, same people were basically in charge before and after, its often held up as one that went relatively smoothly no extended civil war guillotine etc period but thats just cause there was more continuity than is typical, and of course there was eventually a civil war fought over the big issue they decided to punt on when devising their government

anyway i think its great than everyone can put politics aside for minute

An Irish friend says that when the news of the Queen’s death came through, ‘I was drinking in an Irish Republican Socialist pub here in Dublin… To a man & a woman everyone raised a glass to a woman who loved Ireland & did so much to bring about peace on our islands.’

— John Simpson (@JohnSimpsonNews) September 10, 2022

lol was just talking to another Irish (ex)ilxor about this. There’s so much narrative pushing that ACTUALLY real good Irish people are at most raising a glass in solemn favour and being perfectly grave and it’s ACTUALLY the evil woke Irish-Americans who are memeing it. I personally don’t really care tbh, she had a good visit to Ireland, but the figurehead of the empire and the immediate push to scold people who run the gamut from indifferent to celebratory is terrible.

I mean, like??? Even here?

Cryyyyying pic.twitter.com/jeGMFBzLcn

— bi ventura (@sonofedge) September 9, 2022

Woke Irish Americans, do they even exist?

Right?????

Hiiiiiiiiii

itt: sleepy joe erasure

lol suzy

Sorry suzy, I thought your ancestors were all planters for some reason

Prince William gets the Duchy of Cornwall, meaning;

- he’s legally entitled to drop a nuclear bomb on Cornwall

- he’s entitled to any dead whales or shipwrecks

- his Duchy gets your estate if you die alone in Cornwall without a will (see below)https://t.co/hTClqB972C

— Sarah_Woolley (@Sarah_Woolley) September 10, 2022

LOL don’t know what they did in Ireland apart from Methodism, but my great great grandfather was definitely a farmer after emigrating to Canada, and all his sons became doctors.

The State Funeral of Her Majesty The Queen will take place at Westminster Abbey on Monday 19th September.

Prior to the State Funeral, The Queen will Lie-in-State in Westminster Hall for four days, to allow the public to pay their respects.

— The Royal Family (@RoyalFamily) September 10, 2022

Real fucked up

I am lost for words.

Sky News reporting the Justice for Chris Kaba march as a tribute walk for the Queen's death.

Disgraceful. pic.twitter.com/3jsDmfq4C9

— Franklin Saint (@loyih92) September 10, 2022

american revolution is a weird one cause it was the local aristocracy revolting against the home office, same people were basically in charge before and after, its often held up as one that went relatively smoothly no extended civil war guillotine etc period but thats just cause there was more continuity than is typical, and of course there was eventually a civil war fought over the big issue they decided to punt on when devising their government

― lag∞n, Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:14 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is Hannah Arendt's argument: Americans didn't suffer from empty bellies like the French.

Also they weren't surrounded on all sides by armies pledged to destroy the revolution.

As one era ends, so another begins.

God Save The King.

— Keir Starmer (@Keir_Starmer) September 10, 2022

the avatar reminded me how much Starmer looks like Zenith from 2000ad

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQkdnNYWUAAfweH.jpg

Signalling at an aide through clenched teeth to move something out of his way pic.twitter.com/SSe8j8VeUz

— Emma Devlin (@theactualemma) September 10, 2022

Not sure who I feel sorrier for. Maybe they’ll bond over cheese.

Number 10 confirm that Liz Truss will be accompanying the King as he leads the national mourning across the UK next week. Scotland on Monday afternoon, Northern Ireland on Tuesday and Wales Friday.

— Will Hazell (@whazell) September 10, 2022

xp tbfttl he’s a member of the British aristocracy, their teeth kind of just do that

a deeply ugly man indeed

thread for KING CHARLES III (regnal name george vii)

so we can get back to the thread's true topic (the queen never dying)

Also they weren't surrounded on all sides by armies pledged to destroy the revolution.

― Buckfast At Tiffany's (Tom D.), Saturday, September 10, 2022 1:36 PM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah the thing the popular understanding of the terror misses is the context of war, not trying to defend the terror btw! but the idea that all of the head chopping was executing political adversaries in paris when a lot of it was more we are going drown these guys we caught conspiring with the austrian somewhere out on the front

the austrian is one austrian they really hated

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sky news has now issued a clarification after an earlier report wrongly described the Chris Kaba march as a tribute walk to the Queen.

such a grave insult to friends & family CK and people attending the march

It’s really scummy. This whole thing you’re getting the worst people in the country trying to pretend the Queen living through the era of decolonisation was due to her, and meanwhile the Met did this and it’s getting barely any coverage.

Okay folks buckle the fuck up because I have some more news about Liz Truss’ possible d/s relationship and her use of the day collar and I have to say I’m a true believer. Credit to @enemyofentropy for the following screenshots and @AliceAvizandum for inspiring them.

— Lilliana 🏳️‍⚧️ (@LillianaFuture) September 9, 2022

hell of a conspiracy thread here on the new PM!

lolllll

The ‘Socialist Republican pub in Dublin’ turned out to be Grogan’s pic.twitter.com/vY2vbHU6sG

— Andrew Flood 👨🏻‍💻📝🕺 (@andrewflood) September 10, 2022

for those not familiar with Grogan’s while I do like it it’s not exactly how I’d describe it. More of a hangout for artists who are fond of their pints and city centre shoppers who need to rest their feet. Not a starry ploughing to be seen

— Andrew Flood 👨🏻‍💻📝🕺 (@andrewflood) September 10, 2022