Everytime somebody dies itβs like tweeters resume their arms race to come up with the most galaxy brain nonsense
― brimstead, Thursday, 8 September 2022 17:56 (two years ago) link
ugh it's unusable right now, i've already muted 'queen' what more do they want from me
― (grim) pump track (wales) (map), Thursday, 8 September 2022 20:26 (two years ago) link
lol its good imo
― lagβn, Thursday, 8 September 2022 23:08 (two years ago) link
Today was the first day I was actually tempted to scroll my TL since giving up Twitter a month ago. Like, this is what Twitter is for!
― jaymc, Thursday, 8 September 2022 23:12 (two years ago) link
i'm british, i follow quite a lot of british people. but i would say 80% of the tweets i saw about the queen were because i follow lag00n.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Thursday, 8 September 2022 23:14 (two years ago) link
i love days like this: it's iron chef twitter, where everyone gets the same ingredient and has to make something out of it. really shows you something.— Slade (@Slade) September 8, 2022
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 8 September 2022 23:20 (two years ago) link
β π ππ’π¨ (caek), Thursday, September 8, 2022 7:14 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
some good tweets today!
Shrekβs Adventure! London joins millions of mourners around the UK and the world in paying tribute to HM Queen Elizabeth II. United in our loss β we give thanks for a life of extraordinary service to this country, the Commonwealth and the wider world.— Shrek's Adventure! (@ShreksAdventure) September 8, 2022
― lagβn, Thursday, 8 September 2022 23:22 (two years ago) link
@Slade otm
― jaymc, Thursday, 8 September 2022 23:25 (two years ago) link
this would be fun if i didn't find every single aspect of the topic gruelingly boring and predictable.
― (grim) pump track (wales) (map), Friday, 9 September 2022 00:02 (two years ago) link
yeah usually this shit annoys me but itβs actually cracking me up today, idk, itβs like the gong show or something
― brimstead, Friday, 9 September 2022 00:24 (two years ago) link
I was hoping that was Slade the band.
― sweating like Cathy *aaaack* (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 9 September 2022 03:33 (two years ago) link
Has this been posted yethttps://takes.jamesomalley.co.uk/p/what-will-actually-happen-when-the
― kinder, Friday, 9 September 2022 08:15 (two years ago) link
today in βthe internet is physical and also you canβt just accumulate infinite data and expect it to always be availableβ https://t.co/JL5c8PxQcu— Talya Cooper (@talya_cooper) September 12, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 08:28 (two years ago) link
absolutely no idea what that tweet means.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 15:39 (two years ago) link
the server farms are in danger of overheating
― You can't spell Fearless without Earle (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 15:42 (two years ago) link
today in server farms are real farms
― lagβn, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 15:43 (two years ago) link
xp i'm talking about the retweet. i work at twitter. i understand the story. i worked on the outage all last week.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 15:43 (two years ago) link
It is the equivalent of every time someone on ilx says, "That's why I'm glad I still purchase physical media."
― You can't spell Fearless without Earle (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 15:46 (two years ago) link
so they're saying "don't forget twitter.com is not a big book"?
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 15:49 (two years ago) link
i think its saying people think the internet is some magical always on thing but really its subject to the physical world, which is maybe true but doesnt really warrant the sage insight tone, i mean who gives a shit if twitter goes down really, except for caek who has to do some prob annoying work on it
― lagβn, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 15:50 (two years ago) link
I dunno. Maybe they mean climate change could wipe out the vast store of valuable tweets just like the Library of Alexandria was destroyed.
― You can't spell Fearless without Earle (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 15:51 (two years ago) link
I think they mean that data doesn't float around in an actual magic cloud, it lives in servers that are subject to environmental impacts just like everything else.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 15:52 (two years ago) link
the one area imho people should think more about this is photographs, if theyre purely digital theyll be gone sooner than later, print them out if you want future generations to be looking at their great great grandmother
― lagβn, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 15:53 (two years ago) link
it's nothing to do with climate change fwiw.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 15:54 (two years ago) link
the headline says it is, the story doesn't, and the story is right.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 15:55 (two years ago) link
the story says:
"Extreme heat in California has left Twitter without one of its key data centers"
So the extreme heat has nothing to do with climate change?
― You can't spell Fearless without Earle (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:02 (two years ago) link
the failure of an air conditioning system (that every data center needs, even if you put the data center at the north pole) is nothing to do with climate change.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:04 (two years ago) link
don't put data centers at the north pole btw
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:06 (two years ago) link
Are we reading a different story?
βOn September 5th, Twitter experienced the loss of its Sacramento (SMF) datacenter region due to extreme weather. The unprecedented event resulted in the total shutdown of physical equipment in SMF,β Carrie Fernandez, the companyβs vice president of engineering, said in an internal message to Twitter engineers on Friday.
― You can't spell Fearless without Earle (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:06 (two years ago) link
like I know you have inside knowledge, but the story does talk about weather and extreme heat
― You can't spell Fearless without Earle (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:07 (two years ago) link
Ultimately: were climate change conditions responsible for the cooling system failure or did it just fail regardless
― Evan, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:10 (two years ago) link
ah, yeah sorry, skipped the quote from comms. "due to extreme weather" is ... arguable. can't say more. anyway yes, it's an interesting story! it's not interesting because βthe internet is physical and also you canβt just accumulate infinite data and expect it to always be availableβ
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:10 (two years ago) link
β lagβn, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 bookmarkflaglink
I get the sense from tech people that data will always be safe and available until the end of time (or the end of twitter).
So here we have a story where climate change is saying nope.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:17 (two years ago) link
i don't think anyone in tech thinks that.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:20 (two years ago) link
I do.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:22 (two years ago) link
tech is full of the weirdest long termist / thought experiment / prepper people. these people are mostly insane, but you can't accuse them of blithely assuming that datacenters will never go down. they worry about a list of thing that includes asteroids.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:23 (two years ago) link
if they had a magical belief that all data was safe then twitter would be down right now, and when it came back up it would be missing data.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:24 (two years ago) link
That's what I'm saying, they have magical beliefs. There is definitely no logic to it.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:29 (two years ago) link
this reminds me, do we have a thread about the long termist/effective altruism movement?
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:36 (two years ago) link
Recent discussion here - rationalism AI cultist creeps
― death generator (lukas), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:39 (two years ago) link
β π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, September 13, 2022 12:06 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
too late im doing it now
― lagβn, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:41 (two years ago) link
thank you xp
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:44 (two years ago) link
if you run a/c systems a lot more than usual they're likely to wear out, but sometimes they just... do that.. regardless. or break
one of those thing where I'd almost trust someone with an hvac background to manage a group of people administering a data center than I would some software developer who has worked their way up, because one group understands the rate of mechanical failure, and the other has a lot of weirdos who have brain holes
― mh, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 17:03 (two years ago) link
one interesting thing about this has been seeing the order in which they're letting people bring systems back up, which is very highly correlated with the amount of brain holes one associates with that subgroup of engineers. i.e. the less you know about software, the sooner you get back in.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 17:40 (two years ago) link
and if you know anything about machine learning you're at the back of the line, which is 100% fair enough.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 17:41 (two years ago) link
machines should not be allowed to learn
― lagβn, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 17:42 (two years ago) link
another reason βthe internet is physical and also you canβt just accumulate infinite data and expect it to always be availableβ is dumb is its use of the word "infinite" tbh
― mark s, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 17:47 (two years ago) link
I have visited a large data center and this is close to the truth. One of the guys managing the data center talked about a certain piece of software for distributing work across machines as being rated to XX megawatts, which kinda floored me.
― death generator (lukas), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 17:48 (two years ago) link
Maybe βthe Internet is not eternalβ is a shock to people too young to have lost their Geocities pages.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 17:51 (two years ago) link
they are amazing places. wish i'd gone into hardware tbh. i'm not sure if it's a problem or not that building them in a way that is truly resilient is beyond the abilities of everyone (including nation states) except aws, gcp and azure.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 17:51 (two years ago) link