like the queen this thread will never die: in which we ALL resign (ourselves to disgusting miseries to post-boris politics 2022)

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seeing as just about anyone in the world with money to donate could join the party and vote in this leadership election, then perhaps the Con Home polling was never going to be that accurate

calzino, Monday, 5 September 2022 12:06 (three years ago)

zero mandate. lowest ever margin, never gone through a general.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 5 September 2022 12:17 (three years ago)

I heard someone making a Corbyn comparison the other day, as in she's detested by most of the party and popular with the membership. And they also said there will be letters of no confidence in as early as next week.

calzino, Monday, 5 September 2022 12:20 (three years ago)

Melt media dragging Truss's unpopularity, presumably they haven't noticed any of the opinion polls on the public's view of Kieth

seo layer (Noodle Vague), Monday, 5 September 2022 12:28 (three years ago)

Yeah, at least one Tory politician was saying that people had been coming up to him in the street and asking what happened to that nice Boris Johnson, we trust him, he'd see us through this crisis!

It would at least be funny to see him implored to return after a confidence vote and having to explain that he's really sorry but the Shakespeare biography's at quite a delicate stage right now...

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 5 September 2022 12:31 (three years ago)

was going to put this on the Real England thread but too depressing

#ThisMorning has turned completely dystopian and Black Mirror by offering to pay energy bills as a competition prize. pic.twitter.com/hs1DD6NXbo

— Scott Bryan (@scottygb) September 5, 2022

link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 5 September 2022 12:36 (three years ago)

This was pretty much exactly the result I expected. She was never going to win new supporters on the campaign trail lol, but she had such a formidable advantage to start with there was no pissing it away. Maybe if it had gone on for another three months.

Led By Honkies (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 5 September 2022 12:58 (three years ago)

posted at 12.47pm

Who will replace Liz Truss as the next Conservative Party leader?

Kemi Badenoch & Kwasi Kwarteng open as joint favourites.https://t.co/yVRtYvsLMO pic.twitter.com/UNzERL50eE

— Ladbrokes Politics (@LadPolitics) September 5, 2022

link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 5 September 2022 13:09 (three years ago)

Media class watching Boris go pic.twitter.com/MAGRhZXjrC

— Peter G (@pgofton) September 5, 2022

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 September 2022 13:10 (three years ago)

This is a tad premature.

Anyway, this is deffo the Queen’s final Prime Minister

— Jason Okundaye (@jasebyjason) September 5, 2022

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 September 2022 16:16 (three years ago)

its like he didnt even glance at the thread title

mark s, Monday, 5 September 2022 16:20 (three years ago)

or a tad late depending how you look at it

seo layer (Noodle Vague), Monday, 5 September 2022 16:27 (three years ago)

Ok but who is replacing her.

BREAKING: Priti Patel is quitting as Home Secretary and returning to the backbenches

— Sam Lister (@sam_lister_) September 5, 2022

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 September 2022 16:50 (three years ago)

surprise peerage for Eddie Dempsey

seo layer (Noodle Vague), Monday, 5 September 2022 17:02 (three years ago)

rumour is suella braverman for home secretary

lol we’re all gonna die

manic pixie dream shatner (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 September 2022 17:41 (three years ago)

This news won’t make Back to School headlines today, but it ought to be everywhere: Under this gov, a child born on 5th September 2006 can, if taken into care tonight, be placed in a hostel, caravan/barge with no guaranteed adult supervision. And their 15-year classmate, who is

— Rebekah Pierre (@RebekahPierre92) September 5, 2022

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 September 2022 20:25 (three years ago)

"Same Old Tories" from a rag that will tell you to vote for Kieth.

The Thing (dir: John Carpenter, 1982) pic.twitter.com/GhKzPRF9nb

— Richard Littler (@richard_littler) September 5, 2022

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 08:40 (three years ago)

This is just crazy

2/Energy companies would take out government guaranteed loans to bridge the gap between the wholesale price in the market and the fixed price they are charging customers. Those loans would be repaid over the next 10-20 years through supplements to customer bills...

— Simon Jack (@BBCSimonJack) September 6, 2022

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 11:37 (three years ago)

I think ILX should start a new UK politics thread today.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 11:42 (three years ago)

why? nothing much has changed.

link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 6 September 2022 11:57 (three years ago)

i think we should await until they own up to the Queen being dead, pace mark s and the ascencion

seo layer (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 September 2022 12:05 (three years ago)

THIS THREAD is our TRUE QUEEN and can NEVER DIE

mark s, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 12:13 (three years ago)

maybe the next DCMS minister won't be someone who publically admits to leeching someone else's netflix account. parliament's loss is literature's, er, gain?

koogs, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 12:23 (three years ago)

Lol was a single hospital built?

Fucksake, Guto. pic.twitter.com/UV0tY59kol

— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) September 6, 2022

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 12:27 (three years ago)

Start a new thread when we get a new hospital.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 12:28 (three years ago)

I always admired the way he addressed social care issues and built new hospitals in such a very modest + quiet under-the-radar manner, that nobody actually noticed he'd done this.

calzino, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 12:32 (three years ago)

lol we're all going to dye

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Tuesday, 6 September 2022 12:52 (three years ago)

Every now and the NY times publishes a voice that cannot be done so over here.

Has anyone come up with an explanation.

Nobody:
Absolutely nobody at all:
The New York Times: Well obviously the only possible inspiration for Liz Truss's policies is Enoch Powell pic.twitter.com/2uXBz7HYO2

— Robert Colvile (@rcolvile) September 6, 2022

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 13:44 (three years ago)

this fucking guy

The people at the NYT really are obsessed with denigrating the UK for some unfathomable reason. Any ideas?

— Alan Lyons (@alanlyons33) September 6, 2022

link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 6 September 2022 13:49 (three years ago)

Multi xp don't need a new thread for general politics but something for Energy/cost of living crisis seems timely.

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 13:54 (three years ago)

Well well..

It’s a reasonable view that we live in Powell’s Britain - we left the EU, immigration is the centre of debate, and the racism of the discourse about race is barely concealed by language of “woke”.

Welcome to the Long 68 - which has also given us equal marriage and dance music.

— John McTernan (@johnmcternan) September 6, 2022

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 14:42 (three years ago)

What's the big deal with invoking Enoch Powell? Thatcher was worse in many areas and they have no problems with her being mentioned every five minutes.

Buckfast At Tiffany's (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 September 2022 15:02 (three years ago)

powellism is just british politics in the so-called post-colonial era but I guess he's still considered an extreme figure than your average establishment tory despite his views having long since become common sense in our media and politics across party lines

this patriotism of getting all pissy when outsiders point out obvious things about this country and its culture that are shit is one of the many shit things about this country and its culture

Left, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 15:20 (three years ago)

Thatcher when young was an economic disciple of Powell's iirc

seo layer (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 September 2022 15:23 (three years ago)

i definitely read a good piece once about how Powell was one of the original movers in the Tory party to introduce monetarist economics and Thatcher was his agent

seo layer (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 September 2022 15:24 (three years ago)

remember a few years ago when Amol Rajan broadcast an actor reading the full the rivers of blood speech and boasted that his team "done an amazing production job" on it because it was a completely normal thing to do on rainy fascist island. Especially as even most of the opposition party had been doing years of "legitimate concerns" and the Tories were heading even further towards full fash at the time.

calzino, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 15:43 (three years ago)

it's easy to forget because so much of the other content is basically the same

I didn't even consider the economic angle and I need to find out more about that because it sounds important I was mostly thinking in terms of the cultural and national and racial aspects of what became thatcherism but of course the economy is a big part of that too

Left, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 16:02 (three years ago)

Powell was anti capital punishment, pro trade union and pro welfare state, I mean obviously he was a racist wanker but then so was Thatcher.

Buckfast At Tiffany's (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 September 2022 16:27 (three years ago)

this might be what i read - it references some academic stuff about it too

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2021/04/from-enoch-powell-to-margaret-thatcher

seo layer (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 September 2022 16:43 (three years ago)

Thanks for that piece, NV.

Braverman at the Home Office.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 18:36 (three years ago)

Hard to imagine anyone being worse than Priti Patel but...

Buckfast At Tiffany's (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 September 2022 18:54 (three years ago)

Rees-Mogg gets a cabinet post lol.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 19:01 (three years ago)

it’s the day they all became the britannia bunch!

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 19:05 (three years ago)

Shilliam is cited in that NYT piece, which is worth reading imho. For one thing, Kojo Koram is a Birkbeck lecturer, so it's not an "outsider" perspective though I'm sure the tories on twitter won't care.

In case you're paywalled:

LONDON — “Do we confront this moment with honesty,” asked Rishi Sunak, one of the two candidates running to replace Boris Johnson as prime minister of Britain, “or do we tell ourselves comforting fairy tales?”

The answer, from the Conservative Party membership, at least, is fairy tales. On Monday the members elected Liz Truss as their new leader and the next prime minister. In a campaign built around a belief in the miraculous power of tax cuts, Ms. Truss presented herself as the economic savior of a country heading into a winter of crisis. In the face of sky-high inflation and widespread economic misery, it’s a fantastical proposition.

But fairy tales don’t come out of nowhere. For her zealous commitment to privatization, deregulation and tax-cutting, many see Ms. Truss as a would-be second coming of Margaret Thatcher. Sealed by sartorial mimicry, there’s something in the comparison. Yet Ms. Truss’s most apt antecedent, in fact, is someone who had already left the Conservative Party under a cloud of controversy by the time Ms. Thatcher came to lead it: Enoch Powell.

Largely known for his bitterly racist denunciation of immigration, Mr. Powell has a claim to being Britain’s most influential postwar politician. That’s chiefly because, in an era of decolonization, he sketched out a route for Britain to maintain its global dominance. Fashioned in the dying of the imperial light, that roster of policies — preferential terms of global trade achieved through hard-line anti-migrant policies, shrinking the state, undermining organized labor and fostering finance — forms the basis of Ms. Truss’s politics today. The British Empire may have all but ended 60 years ago, but the country’s next prime minister is still in thrall to its legacy.

While Ms. Truss has been happy to court association with Ms. Thatcher — boasting that “we did great things in the 1980s” — she’s likely to be more wary of openly celebrating Mr. Powell. His name, after all, is synonymous with racism and xenophobia. Chiefly that’s because of an infamous speech he gave in 1968: Addressing a room full of Conservatives, he warned that immigration from the colonies would lead to a race war, resulting in the rivers of Britain “foaming with much blood.” Indulging in the language of bizarre colonial revenge fantasies, he spoke fearfully of how “in 15 or 20 years’ time, the Black man will have the whip hand over the white man.”

The speech, incendiary and unrepentant, forever sealed his reputation as Britain’s most famous nativist politician. But his notorious racism has overshadowed the extent to which he was also, in the words of the academic Robbie Shilliam, Britain’s first neoliberal politician. In this view, Mr. Powell was the first major conservative voice to break with the postwar consensus of social democracy and call for tax cuts, privatization and the free movement of money.

The evidence is clear enough. Just months after he delivered his “rivers of blood” speech, he spoke at a meeting of the influential Mont Pelerin Society, Friedrich Hayek’s international organization that spread the gospel of the free market, on the importance of freeing capital from the control of the state. He collaborated with and championed a free-market think tank, the Institute of Economic Affairs, at a time when its members were viewed as marginal eccentrics. In articles and speeches, Mr. Powell led the charge for turning Britain into the financialized economy it became in the later decades of the 20th century.

Behind his politics lay the empire — or, more accurately, its end. By the mid-1960s, the British Empire, once the proprietor of a quarter of the world, was winding down. As former colonies assumed independence, Britain faced a dwindling of its global dominance. To politicians like Mr. Powell, reared on British power, the dangers were paramount. How could Britain retain its imperial advantages, if not the empire itself? The answer he came to was simple: borders for the people of the empire but not for the wealth of the empire.

Ms. Truss is heir to this tradition of thinking. On immigration she has staked out a hard-line position, vowing to increase the border force by 20 percent and backing the government’s plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda. On the world stage, too, she is notably bullish — whether in threatening to renege on Britain’s deal with the European Union over the Northern Ireland protocol or promising to call out Vladimir Putin to his face. But it is on the terrain of the economy where her absorption in zombie imperial thinking is most striking.

In 2012, Ms. Truss announced herself on the political scene as a co-author of a book, tellingly titled “Britannia Unchained,” that argued that Britain’s diminished position globally was the result of an overextended welfare state raising generations of mollycoddled workers, derided as “the worst idlers in the world.” While she likes to wrap herself in the Union Jack, her position a decade on appears to be the same. British workers, she said in a recent leaked recording, lacked the “skill and application” of their foreign counterparts and needed to work harder.

The state, by contrast, should do less. Any effort to help Britons facing ruinously high energy bills, Ms. Truss has said, would amount to “handouts,” deeply undesirable even if, under pressure, she may have to resort to them. The only panacea for the country’s economic woes is tax cuts — likely to predominantly benefit the wealthy and big business — free ports and special investment zones where international capital can enjoy free rein. The state is to be cut down, wages restrained, red tape reduced, the market set free. This is pure Powellism.

The problem is that none of these prescriptions are likely to work. The economic cycle begun by Ms. Thatcher has long exhausted itself, and tax cuts have been consistently shown to increase inequality while having a negligible effect on growth or unemployment. And yet a plausible solution to the country’s woes lies close at hand: a price cap on energy bills, increased taxation on profits and state investment to rebalance the economy.

Instead, under Ms. Truss, the broken mentality of empire rules. And it is everyday Britons who will pay the price.

rob, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 19:11 (three years ago)

cheers rob, i saw tweets hinting that this was the angle of the NYT piece. of course this is why hacks belonging to the best newspaper industry in the world hate it.

seo layer (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 September 2022 19:24 (three years ago)

Thanks Rob.

"For one thing, Kojo Koram is a Birkbeck lecturer, so it's not an "outsider" perspective though I'm sure the tories on twitter won't care."

He isn't in the commentator club, and I doubt this piece could be published here.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 19:35 (three years ago)

Oh yes, that makes sense. And ftr, I meant some of the dimmer tweets I saw about how this proves yanks are jealous of the UK's superior command of tax policy or some such, more than anything anyone said itt.

rob, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 19:41 (three years ago)

So much murderer shagging in this letter.

Note the begging for a new hospital.

A personal statement.

Time for others to step up. I will be spending time with my family and doing no media requests. pic.twitter.com/8mFgIza9WL

— Johnny Mercer (@JohnnyMercerUK) September 6, 2022

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 19:43 (three years ago)

Btw rents are being frozen and there'll be no evictions. Here is a landlord having a normal one.

someone in the scottish landlords network is proposing a landlord strike. is someone gonna tell him...? pic.twitter.com/ug1Pru8I0U

— Gordon / rent controls fan account (@istreasatuatha) September 6, 2022

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 20:37 (three years ago)

Scotland only.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 20:38 (three years ago)


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