this is a hilarious turn of events
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 16:51 (one year ago) link
The best part of the livestream is that we get to hear all the questions, not just the ones the judge allows to be asked/answered.
Also, I get the sense that the plaintiffs lawyers are performing a bit for the livestream whenever they're on break.
― There are a million things you could object to, and they're all sustained. (WmC), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 16:53 (one year ago) link
The jury questions are hysterical, clearly some offended jurors giving him the business about calling them blue collar people from another planet or whatever the line was
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 17:32 (one year ago) link
Lawyer here đź‘‹ Here's why sending all your clients text messages to the other team's lawyers is actually a bad idea (1/58) 🧵— Rajat Suresh (@rajat_suresh) August 3, 2022
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 18:23 (one year ago) link
most of my beloved law-pod shitposters weren't paying attention when the story dropped -- like the issues raised in the trial weren't subtle or goofy enough? -- so watching them gradually catching up over the last hour or so has been a niche joy
pic.twitter.com/ATkBLCmhyj— Richie Deals (@allahliker) August 3, 2022
― mark s, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 18:45 (one year ago) link
And here's where the phone thing gets reeeeal interesting.
Also here is what happened with Alex Jones’s cell phone, according to Mark Bankston: the phone’s contents were put in a Dropbox folder the two parties had been to using to exchange materials roughly ten days ago— dan solomon (@dansolomon) August 3, 2022
Specifically
Bankston used some of the material on the phone in his cross examination. Could only begin going through it last night. Will be looking through it for information that is newsworthy or relevant to law enforcement, and offering that to media/LE as they determine appropriate— dan solomon (@dansolomon) August 3, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 18:50 (one year ago) link
Can't wait for the Alex Jones 1/6 texts to drop
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 19:02 (one year ago) link
loving this
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 19:02 (one year ago) link
How does like 12 levels of motions practice upon the revelation of inadvertent production happen, and a demands for rulings on same and privilege and discussions in camera, and…wtf are these ppl
― Warning: Choking Hazard (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 19:12 (one year ago) link
The J6 committee has already said they’re gonna be requesting that phone data. Gonna be loads of fun when a Congressional committee starts itemizing all the ways the ohone messages differ from hus statements in his deposition.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 19:14 (one year ago) link
We're gonna find out who the aliens really are
― F'kin Magnetometers, how do they work? (President Keyes), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 19:20 (one year ago) link
“Life comes at you fast”
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 19:33 (one year ago) link
This, and the other two juries, are going to determine appropriate penalties.
these will be financial penalties rather than carceral penalties, right?
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 19:44 (one year ago) link
Dude's totally pulling a bawling Jim Bakker routine before the day's over. These charlatans always come crashing down the same way.
― henry s, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 19:46 (one year ago) link
I don't think so. More money to be made from his fans (and they're STILL out there) continuing the persecuted martyr routine.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 19:54 (one year ago) link
the laffs keep coming
Alex Jones' ex-wife here, and I'm going to subpoena this data! Won a jury, lost my kids for blowing the whistle on infowars. Subpoena request will go out t o d a y.https://t.co/uu90cvQuOl— Kelly Jones (@RealKellyJones) August 3, 2022
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 20:00 (one year ago) link
Okay I expected a few laughs over this, but this is the gift that keeps on giving.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 20:03 (one year ago) link
Seriously, if we could harness all of the schadenfreude as an energy resource, we’d be off fossil fuels by December
― castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 20:06 (one year ago) link
and we have yahtzee folks
Child porn found in documents Alex Jones sent to lawyers of Sandy Hook families, court filing says https://t.co/FUgYzZ11Ln— Andrew C Laufer, Esq (@lauferlaw) August 3, 2022
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 20:12 (one year ago) link
maybe the luke wilson lawyer is actually a whistleblower
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 20:16 (one year ago) link
Really starting to get the feeling that there was nothing unintentional about his lawyer's moves here.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 20:19 (one year ago) link
The Simulation is finally letting us have a little fun
― Are U down with the BVM (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 20:19 (one year ago) link
the good news is that the world's leading expert in uncovering conspiracies and asking questions, alex jones, is ideally suited to lead the investigation into the questions about how his own lawyer handed over the contents of his entire phone to the Sandy Hook lawyers, and then didn't assert privilege afterward.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 20:21 (one year ago) link
the child porn story is three years old (and a difft courtcase i assume)
― mark s, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 20:22 (one year ago) link
Okay, yeah, just saw the date on that article. That Laufler tweet is misleading as fuck.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 20:24 (one year ago) link
ah yes
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 20:25 (one year ago) link
I mean, it's not wrong, but tweeting that link out now is a little disingenuous.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 20:28 (one year ago) link
it's definitely worded in a confusing way. otoh, I fully expect more heinous shit to turn up at any second
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 20:30 (one year ago) link
EIGHT FULLY GROWN ELEPHANTS!
― There are a million things you could object to, and they're all sustained. (WmC), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 20:55 (one year ago) link
I just
Unbelievable.Alex Jones' lawyer just closed his argument in the Sandy Hook defamation case with German pastor Martin Niemöller's "First they came for the socialists... Then they came for the Jews..." prose poem.Again, this was Alex Jones' lawyer.— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) August 3, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 21:14 (one year ago) link
Are they done for the day, or is this picking up again soon?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 21:21 (one year ago) link
... then they came for the insane, ranting conspiracy theorists who monetized others/ grief and pain, and I did not speak out - because I thought "good riddance."
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 21:29 (one year ago) link
i really do want to know more about the luke wilson lawyer, after this is over. hopefully someone looks into him, just as a human interest story if nothing else. i can't help but think that alex jones' case was horrible that his legal representation knew that it would be reputation-ruining to stand up for him, so they sacrificed luke wilson to do it? but i'm thinking wilson also knew that it would be a bloodbath, so he decided to demand extra compensation and turn the antics up to 11 for what he knew would be his final bow as a performance comedy lawyer? i'm just asking questions about all this and it's only my opinion
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 21:35 (one year ago) link
Correct, unless the perjury stuff has legs, which would be a separate criminal case.
― doomposting is the new composting (PBKR), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 22:09 (one year ago) link
This thing is like a Beckett play (or late period Adam McKay) - it begs to be dramatized, somehow, even if the cause for the hearings was altered to something less tragic/soulless.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 22:29 (one year ago) link
wanna see it turn into a neil labute play
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 22:40 (one year ago) link
So, today. Hahahahaha.
― death generator (lukas), Thursday, 4 August 2022 00:19 (one year ago) link
Pretty much!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 August 2022 02:26 (one year ago) link
I literally cannot imagine a minimally competent attorney having things play out quite this way by accident. But that’s complicated and weird. So Occam’s says his counsel is unimaginably awful then? I mean, pretrial you may (likely even) have agreements on unintentional production or go by rcp or maybe local rules on failure to produce, and i dunno here. Given we have an atty flipping off opposing counsel in the courtroom, i’m still just— wtf are these ppl. It’s so fucked up. In layers.I should probly go read a law blog but fuck that lol.
― Warning: Choking Hazard (Hunt3r), Thursday, 4 August 2022 02:51 (one year ago) link
On the other hand, imagine having Alex Jones as your client.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 August 2022 03:07 (one year ago) link
Legal experts will tell you it’s difficult to get the death penalty in a civil trial, but I really think Alex Jones can pull it off here— pixelatedboat aka “mr tweets” (@pixelatedboat) August 4, 2022
― frogbs, Thursday, 4 August 2022 03:09 (one year ago) link
Did closing statements finish yesterday? I had to go to work while Reynal was talking about how much $150M would weigh.
― There are a million things you could object to, and they're all sustained. (WmC), Thursday, 4 August 2022 14:01 (one year ago) link
Yup, jury now deliberating as of yesterday late afternoon
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 August 2022 14:04 (one year ago) link
His lawyer basically went "Uh can we do that over?" re phone stuff and the judge said:
"I'm not going to seal the quantity of information without knowing what's in it."— Travis County Judge Maya Guerra Gamble, rejecting Alex Jones's motion as to the phone data — as well as his bid for a mistrial— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) August 4, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 August 2022 15:06 (one year ago) link
Sounds like the J6 Committee could have the phone as soon as today -- and Bankston talked about it containing "intimate messages to Roger Stone," and I'm not going there.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 August 2022 15:12 (one year ago) link
I have transferredthe datathat was onyour cell phone and whichyou were probablyhiding from prosecutionForgive methey were incriminatingso guiltyand so many— Johnny McNulty (@JohnnyMcNulty) August 3, 2022
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Thursday, 4 August 2022 15:22 (one year ago) link
omg
― castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 4 August 2022 15:23 (one year ago) link
jury's deliberating on a restitutional figure and after that a punitive figure, i believe
― mark s, Thursday, 4 August 2022 15:25 (one year ago) link
xp lol at the icebox poem
This Popehat piece is good.
When modern American political culture winds up in court, the... participants are speaking different languages, and using language in different ways. Courts are focused on a taxonomy of words. Are they factual? Are they opinion? Are they literal or figurative? Courts also care about the literal truth of words. That’s central to defamation law — it’s not defamatory unless it was false. Courts are about analysis, and the entire project of the law is about words meaning specific things.But modern American political culture is emotive and even artistic. It uses language like a musician uses notes or an impressionist uses brush strokes. Whether it’s Marjorie Taylor Greene talking about Bill Gates' efforts to colonize our bowels through "peach tree dishes" or Alex Jones ranting about gay frogs, modern politicians and pundits use language to convey feelings and attitudes and values, not specific meanings. If you demand Alex Jones defend the specific meaning of his words, it’s like demanding your eight-year-old defend his statement that his birthday party was the best day ever when previously that’s what he said about Disneyland. Trump was the Salvador Dali of this movement, his speeches full of melting clocks of ire and resentment. As an artist of lies he was prolific.I’m offering a descriptive observation, not a positive normative judgment. Truth exists. Truth matters. Even if Alex Jones’ broadcasts are dreamscapes of spleen, they have real-world effects. Some people take them literally and act accordingly, as we’ve seen as the parents of murdered children tell their harrowing stories of the harassment Jones encourages. And a society where words are unaccountable, where language is just us finger-painting with our own shit, is ungovernable and unlivable.The point is that courts are ill-equipped to deal with people like Alex Jones, and people like Alex Jones are ill-equipped to deal with courts. Jones’ catastrophic testimony in his own defense illustrates this. Jones struggled to fit his bombast within the framework of the law, within the distinction between fact and opinion. It’s a bad fit because that’s not how he uses words. If Jones had been honest — an utterly foreign concept to him — he might have said “I just go out there and say what I feel.” The notion that Sandy Hook was a hoax is a word-painting, a way of conveying Jones’ bottomless rage at politics and media and modernity, and he can no more defend it factually than Magritte could defend the logical necessity of a particular brushstroke.
But modern American political culture is emotive and even artistic. It uses language like a musician uses notes or an impressionist uses brush strokes. Whether it’s Marjorie Taylor Greene talking about Bill Gates' efforts to colonize our bowels through "peach tree dishes" or Alex Jones ranting about gay frogs, modern politicians and pundits use language to convey feelings and attitudes and values, not specific meanings. If you demand Alex Jones defend the specific meaning of his words, it’s like demanding your eight-year-old defend his statement that his birthday party was the best day ever when previously that’s what he said about Disneyland. Trump was the Salvador Dali of this movement, his speeches full of melting clocks of ire and resentment. As an artist of lies he was prolific.
I’m offering a descriptive observation, not a positive normative judgment. Truth exists. Truth matters. Even if Alex Jones’ broadcasts are dreamscapes of spleen, they have real-world effects. Some people take them literally and act accordingly, as we’ve seen as the parents of murdered children tell their harrowing stories of the harassment Jones encourages. And a society where words are unaccountable, where language is just us finger-painting with our own shit, is ungovernable and unlivable.
The point is that courts are ill-equipped to deal with people like Alex Jones, and people like Alex Jones are ill-equipped to deal with courts. Jones’ catastrophic testimony in his own defense illustrates this. Jones struggled to fit his bombast within the framework of the law, within the distinction between fact and opinion. It’s a bad fit because that’s not how he uses words. If Jones had been honest — an utterly foreign concept to him — he might have said “I just go out there and say what I feel.” The notion that Sandy Hook was a hoax is a word-painting, a way of conveying Jones’ bottomless rage at politics and media and modernity, and he can no more defend it factually than Magritte could defend the logical necessity of a particular brushstroke.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 4 August 2022 15:37 (one year ago) link