Things you were shockingly old when you learned

Learned this last one from one of my kids.

here's daffy saying it to elmer fudd in 1948:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8MRRq36d6w

here's bugs saying it abt yosemite sam in 1951 (the version i mainly remember):

However, an earlier Looney Tunes cartoon, "What Makes Daffy Duck" (1948) DID have Elmer being called nimrod...by DAFFY. So it was actually Daffy who first used the term sarcastically https://t.co/RoRAGLNFho

— Charles Brubaker - TEAM BLOOM (@bakertoons) October 25, 2020

annoyingly wikipedia mentions a 1932 example (pre-bugs or daffy) without properly sourcing it

oops those are the same:

While Bugs did use "nimrod" sarcastically once, he did it to refer to Yosemite Sam, not Elmer. This was in "Rabbit Every Monday" (1951), where Bugs, feeling guilty for tricking Sam, said "I couldn't do that to the little Nimrod" (skip to 6:50) https://t.co/IOPnzEFTB4

— Charles Brubaker - TEAM BLOOM (@bakertoons) October 25, 2020

I was somewhat less old (but still shockingly so) when I realized that El DeBarge was the name of one of the guys in DeBarge and not just a rebranding of DeBarge (as 'The DeBarge').

fuck all those looney toons villains anyway, according to this 1998 cartoon promo they're all chasers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2ombeEg0VA

watching the Sky Arts documentary about the Blitz Club in london that spawned the new romantics. hadn't realised the club was a London blitz-themed club full of wwii era posters etc

The original linking (no pun intended) of "dog" with sausage - as in, eventually, "hot dog" - goes back to the middle of the nineteenth century in the US, when the nursery rhyme song "Oh where oh where has my little dog gone?" was twisted to torment German immigrants:

"Oh! Where, oh! Where ish mine little dog gone?
Oh! where, oh! Where can he be?
His ear’s cut short, and his tail cut long:
Oh! Where, oh! where ish he?

Tra, la la….

Und sausage is goot: Baloney, of course,
Oh! where, oh! where can he be?
Dey makes ‘em mit dog, und dey makes ‘em mit horse:
I guess dey makes ‘em mit he."

FWIW, "hot” was code for "dodgy;" "hot" dogs were cheap.

though i have long known that there are correspondences between many hebrew / arabic names (e.g. abraham and ibrahim), i was just made aware of two fairly obvious ones: david / dawud and solomon / sulayman

Sherilyn Fenn is Suzi Quatro's niece according to Quatro in her memoir Unzipped. Don't think I've heard that before picking the book up a few days ago.

Woah.

Seconded.

Chuck Eddy mentions that in Stairway to Hell.

That Nichelle Nichols from Star Trek wasn't called Michelle.

Arabic one I just learned.

aubergine (UK/France) <- alberginera (Catalan) <- al-badinjan (Arabic) -> brinjal (India)

not shocking, but neat.

I really want a terrible fake american derivation for eggplant now, but after egg-plant it’s like fuck, do u c?

What the “circular file” means

I think I only saw why the name eggplant applies a couple of years ago. Since the version that is normally seen in supermarkets etc is the aubergine purple teardrop shaped one and small rounder white ones only turn up in Asian shops. & even then are more likely to be Green striped or black or something.
Like some types actually look egglike.

They all look egglike when they first start to grow I think

https://✧✧✧.shop✧✧✧.com/s/files/1/2406/3467/products/Intore_AfricanEggplant4edsq_1024x1✧✧✧@2✧.j✧✧?v=1650043634
or
https://www.thespruceeats.com/thmb/cPVQfx_aOvzW94t7jgU1BRzKE8c=/450x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/GettyImages-126552553-5c5dd7adc9e77c0001d31c52.jpg

though not sure either is likely to work and this as in the emoji is the way that I was always seeing them
https://gardenplannerwebsites.azureedge.net/plants/aubergine-2x.jpg
though on a shelf or display or whatever not with much connection to a plant it was growing from

I came across aubergine as a colour when i first started buying fabric last decade and wasn't sure exactly what shade it would be. What I saw was a deep purple, not as blackish as some of these turn out to be.,

BUt seems that there is a wide array of different varieties, just came across a page recommending 17 that one should look into growing. So not sure what that is a boiling down from.
I do tend to put aubergine in most of my weekly cookups and use it to guage if the dish is done. THough think I may be checking sweet potato's hardness recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHhsc4lYamc

AUBERGINE!

Taiwan was a Japanese colony for 50 years. Somehow that fact escaped me until today.

Didn’t know that either. To what extent is the population there even of the same historical group? I sorta assumed there was a big influx of people that would outweigh the population who would have been subject to that occupation.

A great movie about the late 40's bloody and authoritarian Kuomintang takeover of Taiwan is Hou Hsiao-hsien's masterpiece, A City of Sadness.

TY calzino

Been in a “the past is not dead” mindframe this past year, having read snyder’s _bloodlands_ followed months later by putin hitting ukraine. really really swerved my perceptions.

like, with the starvations, death camps, war, political psychoses, and forced out- and in-migrations, to what extent are populations of national spaces even of the same historical memories?

totally

we grow up thinking of nations as these fixed linguistic and ethnic entities but yes even within living memory in many many places this is just not the case

Mick Jones and Grant Shapps are cousins.

The black shapp of the family.

Today I learnt from this thread that Nimrod was ever used as a pejorative, in Looney Tunes or otherwise! Only knew it as the name of a Biblical hunter and an aircraft.

i think i saw the hunter reference in my youth (wanna say in moby dick?) and as i only was aware of the cartoon pejorative i was sorta baffled. "yeah, that ahab, what a maroon!"

I knew it as an insult from Looney Tunes and was confused when Nimrod later turned up to be the name of a villain in the x-men comics. I just assumed nimrod meant dummy, and couldn't figure out why this character had such a name.

My dad used to write a newspaper column on outdoors sport, and whenever he got verbose and referred his "nimrod brethren" it would prompt an angry letter or two from hunters who felt insulted.

https://www.swl.usace.army.mil/Missions/Recreation/Lakes/Nimrod-Lake/

I was just thinking about how, growing up at the height of “Tears in Heaven” airplay, I thought Eric Clapton was an American soft rock/adult contemporary singer until my late 20s. It was only then I learned he was known as a guitar virtuoso, and over the last 5 years ago that I learned, in the following order 1) he was in Cream, 2) Cream is British 3) he is British.

lol i think i had a similar arc with eric clapton

I mean, judging him just on the hits like "Rock n' Roll Heart", he is kinda in that Bob Seger mold.

I learned as a teenager that Clapton was a bellend via music press mentions of his racist rant and support for Enoch Powell. Then when I was about 15 and watched The South Bank Show on Jimi Hendrix, which featured a lot of him talking then I learned as well as being a racist cunt he was also a detestable personality!

It was also just yesterday, looking up his wikipedia, that I learned he’s a pretty shitty person (racism, spousal abuse, etc). Not surprised that’s left out of guitar god hagiography, though.

I didn't learn about Clapton being a racist until I got to ILX.

TIL that the opening narration of The Texas Chain Saw Massacre is delivered by John Larroquette.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGMSTzXOSNU

That the Mark Frost who writes golf books--one of which, The Match, looks out at me when seated at my desk--is the same Mark Frost who produced Twin Peaks. Also, Lucas Giolito of the White Sox is his nephew.

(Had no idea about John Larroquette and TCM, either.)

Some stuff about our next Prime Minister. She has a daughter called Liberty (ugh). She had an affair with Mark Field MP when both were still married, that's Mark Field MP whose sole claim to fame is grabbing young women round the neck and throwing them out of Mansion House speeches.

The size of the Terracotta Army's burial site or rather the emperor they were created to serve, & them having been brightly coloured on discovery but that faded within a couple of hours of them being exposed to the air.

xp

also I recall someone posting that it's an open Westminster secret that she frequently sleeps with her spads. I'm not certain if they meant all 5 of them at the same time!

there was an East Pakistan, separate from West Pakistan

yeah, read about that a few months ago and I was hearing there were a number of partition documentaries and podcasts appearing that woulld be likely to look into it. Seemed to be quite somke distance from the other section of Pakistan. Is it because of different areas of majority muslim population and them not wanting to move absolutely everybody included or possibly not being able to. Nasty feeling population may have been seen more as statistics than people.

THink one place I read about it was The Upstairs Wife: An Intimate History of Pakistan by Rafia Zakaria who I'd read a book on White Feminism by.

how shockingly old will you guys be when you learn about Bangladesh?

What are they teaching young folks at school these days.