like the queen this thread will never die: in which we ALL resign (ourselves to disgusting miseries to post-boris politics 2022)

possibly it's the likelihood of the Stop Truss and Stop Rishi cliques coalescing around Mordaunt even if they don't like her is the reason why she's the current fav?

― calzino, Thursday, 14 July 2022 bookmarkflaglink

It's basically seen as a clean break with what has gone before. Badenoch is the same but has quite a bit less experience of cabinet or anything else.

he'll probably fuck off to the US, it won't take him long to renew his green card.

― calzino, Thursday, July 14, 2022 3:16 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

they actually make this pretty hard if you lose it by surrendering it early iiuc? you can keep him.

I don't think it will too much of a hurdle for someone who was already loaded and married into a billionaire dynasty, but critical support for strict US immigration bureaucracy if it tells him and his wife to fuck off!

Chris Mason as the chief political correspondent is like that bit of The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle where Ed Tudor Poll fronts The Pistols for a song.

mordaunt trans “row” on newsnight now. christian fraser doing a surprisingly good job grilling tories about it now. i.e. “why are you weaponizing trans people?” and “do you believe trans women are women?”

I was just reading this piece, which mentions Morduant's cowardly, disgusting behaviour.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/07/13/alice-litman-trans-nhs-care/

My dad (old labour type in his 70s, not at all woke) texted me her campaign video and said she is “insane” and “revolting”

apparently Mordaunt is the most popular candidate with the Remain wing of the Tories membership which must still be a thing.

this is bizarre because she supported brexit even during the referendum, unlike truss who just cynically pivoted afterward

I know, it was something mentioned on PM yesterday and I was thinking eh?

and also that bizarre thing of who is a "true brexiteer" brought up by Braverman yesterday. Like it's not enough to have campaigned and voted for it, if you were willing to entertain any of the compromise deals during May's last days then you were faking it.

that £326 cost of living payment I received yesterday was instantly wiped out by a £242.63 dd from British Gas this morning. lol I love this country.

Still £83.37 for the fruit machines tho

got to pay your bet365 tax

Maugham also after Starmer after the LBC interview.

His supporters are also bad at defending him.

I think the reality is probably that he did what he did to be elected leader with an open mind about policy, and reflecting the state of the labour party and its membership when he was elected, but has to be realistic now about what is needed to become a government

— Adam Wagner (@AdamWagner1) July 15, 2022

when Starmer lies for his own career advancement/breaks lockdown rules/has an extramarital affair it's different from when Boris does it and not a reflection of his character... yeah sure.

It's funny.

EXCLUSIVE:

Labour leader Sir @Keir_Starmer has told City A.M. that the UK can have a better economic future outside the EU than inside if the government slashes post-#Brexit red tape and diverges from Brussels’ regulations. https://t.co/ycR5YEleAX

— City A.M. (@CityAM) July 15, 2022

The March of Mordaunt! 💪🏻

— Penny Mordaunt (@PennyMordaunt) July 14, 2022

Wagner saying that lying to 500000 members makes Starmer a savvy political operator sums up the moral vacuity of these barrister melts. At least the good fox nonce has gone on a bit of a journey in the last few years and is unambiguously calling him untrustworthy, which is probably a word that frequently comes up in the focus groups as well.

ideology aside he is a spectacularly bad politician, and watching the blue ticks and plebs desperate to convince themselves otherwise is painful

yeah so far he has shown himself to be anything but savvy. Being a an opportunist and a liar isn't really a special skillset.

Reading this thread of someone talking to their Tory mum and I'd say that Starmer cannot convince anyone of anything. I am sure lots of people who voted for Johnson did so (unlike what the tweet below says) because they were convinced he could get Brexit over the line, and he delivered that.

It’s not going to work like that. Treat people like idiots and they won’t reward you for it.

One of the reasons people supported Johnson and Farage was they ‘said it like it was’. Obv they confected that air of sincerity, but it’s something people crave. That’s why it worked.

— Neville (@catherinebuca) July 12, 2022

The old 'people aren't idiots' with 'people like someone who says it like it is' equation.

there's plenty to learn and discuss about Johnson's successes and failures as a politician. like other right wing performers before him a lot of liberals have decided that he is bad at things when what they mean is he is good at things they don't like. no question that part of his success has been reaching a base that's allowed him to get away with shit because they hate the bland managerialism of a lot of professional politicians. Kieth can't win those people and keep the big brained "bland managerialism is good actually" people onside at the same time.

I've never been sure what people mean when they say that, for instance, Boris Johnson "says it like it is". What it basically comes down to is they agree with that he said and that's no great feat of legerdemain.

It's more about the way it's said than what's said.

"The problem of soaring temperatures is being exacerbated by many care homes being in Covid lockdown, which limits visitors and means residents are asked to stay in their rooms, which are often not air-conditioned.

“Some residents’ rooms have no fresh air if they only have patio doors which are locked to prevent them from going into the garden alone,” said Helen Wildbore, the director of the Residents and Relatives Association.

“For others, windows may only open a crack for safety. Whilst the hot weather may be uncomfortable and an annoyance for many of us, for older people in vulnerable situations the heat can be dangerous. More than 2,500 people died during heatwaves in 2020.”"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/15/heat-emergency-declared-in-england-as-temperature-expected-to-hit-40c

most of the UK public don't often encounter someone as upper class as Boris in their daily life and perhaps they don't realise how much contempt he has for them. He's a more fluid speaker than Kieth and is renowned for turning up at speaker events without any prep and improvising a load of bollox on the spot (which will probably still not be as stunningly tedious as when Kieth did that long "humorous" anecdote at the leadership hustings) . It's a third rate act for sure but some people seem to find it amusing, personally I'd have the cunt lined up against the wall and executed.

Kieth on the other hand seems relatable in a very painful way for anyone who has ever had a run in with a very standard and widespread type of middle management, that type who are incapable of breaking out of corporate speak boss wanker mode. To me it seems everything he's saying in the public realm is over rehearsed dishonesty and dripping with contempt for the electorate he's supposed to be trying win support from. It seems even people who are not very online or even politically engaged are picking up this from him as well.

xp

we’re so fucked lol https://t.co/aD9JHz7V4F pic.twitter.com/xY7Iwyk59t

— Dan Douglas (@dandouglas) July 15, 2022

That's just silly stuff that won't survive a spike in deaths or pressures in hospitals.

The campiaign not running as smoothly for Rishi a she expected.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2022/07/15/TELEMMGLPICT000302937857_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqZM02IzA6TOiSJb6bgfZLjvYHXVPU0FjFLPyf5U1sHfw.jpeg?imwidth=1240

"Kieth on the other hand seems relatable in a very painful way for anyone who has ever had a run in with a very standard and widespread type of middle management, that type who are incapable of breaking out of corporate speak boss wanker mode."

100%. And I cannot stand his voice.

Conservative leadership candidate Kemi Badenoch says the government should scrap housebuilding targets because targets "scare people".

"It scares people when we talk about building 300,000 homes because it sounds like all these homes are coming next door to them," she says. pic.twitter.com/jDCecuXtj4

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) July 15, 2022

He's a more fluid speaker than Kieth and is renowned for turning up at speaker events without any prep and improvising a load of bollox on the spot

read something where he did the same act at different events, turned up late, messed his hair before going onstage, fluffed some sheets of paper, said oh oops I forgot to prepare then "ad libs" the same exact story

Hayes and Badenoch sayin it like it is

Badenoch is considered some kind of deep thinker by these clowns too.

it's just basic Tory heartlands nimby appeasement, aimed at the least metropolitan section of the membership who are also least likely to vote for a black leadership candidate. So I guess her campaign is doomed.

meanwhile the Met are cleaning their act up

https://t.co/iV0GqHOAxU

— Taj Ali (@Taj_Ali1) July 15, 2022

you'd think they could find at least one senior copper who isn't an overt racist

nah just kidding you wouldn't think that

you can see from his face that the guy is just unadulterated pure Cop Scum, racism is in his DNA

I've never been sure what people mean when they say that, for instance, Boris Johnson "says it like it is". What it basically comes down to is they agree with that he said and that's no great feat of legerdemain.

― Eavis Has Left the Building (Tom D.), Friday, 15 July 2022 12:32 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I think part of it is that the job of being a front-line politician makes it impossible for you to be completely straight and candid because you have to hold together a coalition of groups with different interests and avoid saying things your enemies can use to attack your allies, a politician who never dissembles is someone who is fundamentally bad at their job. So the nearest you can get to an 'honest' politician is someone like Johnson or Trump who is open about the fact that they're slippery and giving a performance, and gives these little winks that let people feel like they're in on the joke, and that feels less insulting to a lot of the public that someone like Starmer presenting themselves as transparent and decent while simultaneously being tricksy and evasive.

I think the Johnson/Trump tactic of treating everything as a cynical joke only really works for the right though, or at least it only works as a destructive force to tear stuff down, it's not much good if your politics depend on convincing people that things could be better, so I don't know what lesson the left should draw from its success. Lewis Goodall wrote something the other day about a focus group on the tory leadership candidates where he said that funny tiktok videos were becoming increasingly important in forming voters impressions of politicians, which seems like it points towards more BJ style clowns. Short funny videos of Mick Lynch have been very successful recently, but those were specifically him making right-wing opponents look like fools, I don't know if you can use that medium for constructive rather than destructive purposes.

read something where he did the same act at different events, turned up late, messed his hair before going onstage, fluffed some sheets of paper, said oh oops I forgot to prepare then "ad libs" the same exact story

It was prob. this: https://reaction.life/jeremy-vine-my-boris-story/

saw something where Jeremy Vine dressed up as a cowboy and made a tit of himself on national television

Ah ha ha, is she funded by these swindlers or something?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/15/penny-mordaunt-repeatedly-advocated-use-of-homeopathy-on-nhs

can't believe a tory would support total bullshit that actually inflicts harm on the people it is supposed to help

🤪🤪🤪

For the #C4LeaderDebate Liz Truss has recreated Margaret Thatcher’s appearance from her 1979 election broadcast down to the last detail pic.twitter.com/pqzJPADQsl

— Andrew Gunn 🇺🇦 (@ASGunn) July 15, 2022

she's usually three sheets to the wind without even touching a drop of alcohol, or perhaps a more ableist way of putting it would be: she's a fucking moron. And I think most of her party knows this, but yeah let's go for some Iron Lady cosplay, lol her brain is like mushy peas.

starmer has been quite eye opening for me. not his politics, whatever they are, but his former career. I've only ever done minimum wage, intellectually simple jobs. I'm not smart. I'm certainly not clever enough to get a law degree pass the bar and rise to head of the cps. all of which I would imagine to be quite difficult and subject to quite a lot of competition.so while I am not in awe of people who can do so I at least recognise they are capable intellectually of something I am incapable of. and yet I have quite literally never heard starmer say something intelligent. not even something clever that I might not agree with. I always figured lawyers would at minimum be good at winning arguments but I genuinely cannot see how he can have ever convinced or persuaded anybody of anything ever. he is just a blank void. I can't even hate him like calz, all I feel is puzzlement.

on the few occasions where i've sat in on trials as a spectator my impression has been that the rhetorical cut and thrust is not good like they make it look on tv and in movies

don't talk yourself down here oscar, and don't overrate how clever you need to be to get a law degree. There are loads of thick fuckwits about with multiple letters after their names. Anyway I'd love to see Starmer try and re-wire a school in 6 weeks or manage a betting shop full of crooks and thugs! Therefore I'm much cleverer than him! And doing stuff like deporting an Asian autistic lad to a US supermax prison on the most dubious of evidence or supporting anti-GRT mobs doesn't require intelligence - it just requires you to be an evil piece of shit.

Watched a bit of that, first time heard Badenoch speak - she is total culture wars brainworms, answered a question about NHS funding by talking about chipping her tooth. Tugendhat was the only one that sounded like a professional politician.

(obvs all of them were very bad and we are all still fucked, goes without saying)