which, tbf, should be permanently stamped on all of your posts. I apologize for being antagonistic upthread.
― We were clothed, except for Caan, who was naked. Don't know why. (Neanderthal)
no worries, love you Neanderthal!
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 01:31 (three years ago)
i wonder, though, if the national democratic party isn't institutionally weak in a way that labour isn't. i'm not really aware how the labour party works, but in terms of selecting candidates, the democratic party process is a tremendously convoluted and arcane process of byzantine complexity. it is also patently obviously unjust, unequal, and unfair.
this is what it comes down to, uk labour has much more centralised power which is now being used to completely prevent the possibility of future challenges from the left, while the democrat establishment maintains control less directly, and while the primary processes are a mess they are at least democratic and the establishment can be beaten in them. i would also think that the blatant uselessness of the establishment in the current moment opens up more room for anyone running to the left of them in primaries, even very normie dems seem to be getting fed up with the lack of action now.
the us situation is of course still very bleak & set to get dramatically worse if the republicans are successful in seizing power in the way they've indicated, but it's going to be an unstable, turbulent time where things get dramatically shaken up, so much so that further opportunities for the left aren't out of the question.
― ufo, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 01:42 (three years ago)
many xps but the Democrats don't have to change the rules or purge the left, because the left doesn't have enough power to bother actively purging them (throwing money at primary challengers out of spite is still a good hobby). Token DSA members work to the party's advantage, keeping some percentage of self-identified socialists voting blue because AOC and Bernie give them hope.
Labour seems worse because it's been better in recent memory but at the last Labour conference didn't they have a vote supporting sanctions against Israel and describing it an apartheid state? That wouldn't happen in a thousand years in the Democratic Party - less than ten Democrats could even work up the will to vote against Iron Dome funding.
As for whether the Democrats are more left than they were 10-20-30 years ago, Jesse Jackson did almost as well as Bernie in the '88 primaries (as a Black man in 1988) and his platform was equally progressive. Outwardly the party looks better (in part because social media amplifies voices who'd never have gotten on Meet The Press in the '90s) but institutionally it's hard to say it's improved (particularly given that Biden, Schumer and Pelosi have all been playing leading roles in the party for most of those 30 years).
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 01:46 (three years ago)
there's a big difference between a party conference in the UK and the votes of elected US reps - a better comparison would be UK labour MPs to US dem house members, which still looks slightly better for the UK but again, the party is seriously trying to purge the remaining left (both membership and MPs), and there is no viable route for the left to expand its power within the party anymore. a UK labor government would not do anything remotely pro-palestinian if they win the next election, despite any symbolic motions the party conference may have passed, and the party has been actively working to expel anyone critical of israel.
because the left doesn't have enough power to bother actively purging them
there also isn't any way to directly do this in the US party structure, the democrats don't have members who can be expelled in the way that membership exists for political parties in most nations, so it would just mean trying to primary AOC etc. which they still have tried and just haven't been successful at yet
― ufo, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 02:21 (three years ago)
Congressional reps can be stripped of committees and completely isolated - withdrawing the whip but perhaps an even bigger deal since committee assignments are all-important in Congress.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 02:39 (three years ago)
but that'd be self-destructive rather than an effective power play, as it's still no guarantee of a successful primary challenge & it would mean they'd have less votes in congress
― ufo, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 02:49 (three years ago)
They still have just as many committee seats, they just get divided up among loyalists.
Fewer votes on floor votes and in leadership votes but that’s not much different compared to withdrawing the whip. The tools to discipline politicians are not wildly different - primarying and deselection, committee seats, etc.. Democrats don’t make use of them as much because they don’t need to, not because the organization can’t.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 03:17 (three years ago)
― papal hotwife (milo z)
idk, there are still conservative democrats who won't vote for literally anything meaningful on the democrats' legislative agenda. i think it's been noted in the past that such tools might possibly motivate these conservative democrats into supporting the democrats' agenda, but you know, it's a huge fucking risk, the democrats never have more than a razor-thin majority in congress. their ability to govern is always limited to what the most right-leaning democratic member of congress nationally will support. the republicans work in ideological lockstep with strong social cohesion - deviation from the party line, whatever the party line happens to be that week, is punished quickly and effectively. their failure to rule effectively is less about lack of organizational clout and more to do with the fact that their actual policies tend to be not just cruel and malicious but actually impossible to implement effectively - they are by any reasonable standard completely out of touch with reality. the democrats, in contrast, are a "big-tent" party, meaning in practice literally anybody who's not in absolute lockstep with whatever the republican party line happens to be that week (and yes, this even extends to bernie and AOC), which does sort of limit their ability to govern.
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 08:13 (three years ago)
Well, I'm not sleeping, again, so I guess I'm just gonna vent some. Just, you know, talk about my life a little, what it looks like in practice, what it looks like to be me.
Went to look at another apartment today. My ex and I broke up. We both care about each other a lot, a real lot, to where it hurts for us to talk to each other, and we're both trying to navigate this divorce. Shit happens, you know? A lot of divorces, they just defy easy explanation, easy categorization, but COVID stress has a lot to do with it. We've been through tougher emotional shit before and made it but you know, neither of us are at our best, we all the external stresses, we couldn't work shit out between us.
I've been trying to find another apartment for the past several months. This place actually got back to me, which is nice, a lot of people don't, but they only have a showing at 2 PM. It's way over on the other side of town and it's in the middle of my workday, but fuck it, it's not like I'm getting a lot of shit done at work anyway. I work from home, and one of the things I've discovered since working from home is that not being in an office environment makes it a lot harder for me to get anything done. It's an ADHD thing, apparently. "Body doubling". Being around people who are productive makes me more productive, and I just don't have that.
I have a prescription for Adderall but it only does so much. I've been on this particular med-go-round before. I've been addicted to prescription meds before, benzos prescribed to me in ever-increasing doses by doctors at the low-cost medical clinic in Florida who didn't know what to do with me and didn't seem to have the energy to care, exactly. Didn't have the energy to bother telling me about the withdrawal syndrome, either. Just like the benzos, the Adderall does something, I guess, but not enough. My brother, he saw what the benzo addiction did to me, he doesn't like that I'm taking Adderall. He's straight edge, he thinks I'm taking addictive drugs so I can be a better capitalist drone, and maybe I am, but what are my other options, you know?
I mean honestly it's hard for me to get motivated this month at my job, working for a Catholic health insurance company. I mean, I like the people I work with. I like my co-workers, all of whom are women. I consider a lot of them my friends. Their being accepting of me made my transition a lot easier. You know, one of them is in with a bad crowd, hangs out at one of those Christian churches, had a Trump bumper sticker on her car in 2016 and probably voted for him in 2020, but I genuinely like her. I think she's grown a lot over the past couple of years, done a lot of work on trauma, worked a lot to extract herself from the cycle of abuse, and you know, she just doesn't see the church she grew up in, the political party she's culturally associated with, as part of that cycle right now. That's painful to me, but her? Her I like.
I like my bosses, too, the upper management, who are all men, just like my co-workers are all women. My acting boss is a good guy. I like him a lot. He's LDS, taking the opportunity to move out to Utah. You know, it's his culture, right? It's where he's from. The Mormons are institutionally patriarchal and abusive and have fucked a lot of people up, but my boss himself, again, he's a good guy, kind, accepting. We've learned a lot from each other.
People tell me there are lots of jobs available right now, that working for a Catholic health insurance company, no matter how much I like the people I work with, just doesn't seem like "me", but you know what, the rest of my life has fallen apart, and I need _something_ that's relatively stable, and really, they don't ask a lot of me. They've been really supportive of me, not just of my transition, but of my mental health. I've had two rounds of transcranial magnetic stimulation in the past couple of years, two intensive outpatient mental health programs to try and deal with the stresses of life over the past couple of years, and you know, the support has been helpful, it's helped me a lot. Not enough, really, not enough, but a lot.
No, what I need to focus on now is getting an apartment, getting moved out of this place. It's not my place, it was _our_ place, too many bad memories. I don't know why finding a place is so hard right now. Getting to the place is hard, Google gives me these wacky street directions and what they say is a street is actually a bunch of people's homes. The homeless population has skyrocketed. During the first couple of years of COVID, under Trump, there weren't so many homeless people, there were eviction protections in place, but now that we're in a "post-COVID world", whatever that means, I guess those protections aren't necessary any longer. I don't know where all of the homeless people are coming from, whether they're being evicted locally or whether they're migrating here from other places. And, yeah, it's a contentious local issue. A lot of landlords want to make the homeless disappear, keep them out of sight, they're bad for property values, and you know, that's pretty reprehensible. Also, an increasing number of my friends are homeless, and they at least deserve some modicum of respect.
But more than that they deserve to have places to live, you know? And that seems to be even harder than respect. You live out on the street, life is hard, people aren't always polite, people aren't always _accepting_ of diversity the way folks are in professional settings around here. Some of them - not all of them, of course, but it's not really easy for me to predict _which_ ones exactly - will maybe yell slurs at my friends, creep on us, threaten violence against us. And all of the politics are based around, you know, _respecting_ them, it's important for us to not shun them and try and make them disappear like the landlords do, but nobody's even talking about, that I can tell, finding any homeless people permanent, stable housing beyond the wholly inadequate steps that are already in place. A couple of years ago the local government wanted to move them into an old prison, but that didn't work out. Not because it's inhumane to put homeless people into a prison or anything, it just wasn't _practical_.
Anyway, if I don't find myself somewhere to live, I guess that'll be me too, so it behooves me to treat them with respect at least. There just don't seem to be a lot of places to rent, and the ones that do bother to get back to me, they seem a lot less interested in renting to me once they see me. I mean, it's probably just my imagination. Sure, nobody treated me like this the last time I was looking for a place, before my transition, but lots of stuff has changed since then. Maybe it's just not enough these days to have a house and plenty of money and a solid credit rating, maybe that's just not enough to get you into an apartment. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough. I'm really tired and worn out.
They just renovated the particular place I'm looking at. I mean the complex is a shithole, but the apartment is renovated. Hell of a contrast. They make everything shiny and they put in all new appliances and jack the price up because of it. Well, I'm lucky, even the jacked up price I could still afford, if they were interested in renting to me, if I was interested in living there.
Everything has gotten a lot more expensive. I finally dragged myself out to the store the other day and a box of cereal costs $7.50. Look, I know inflation is a thing, I'm sorry to sound like a Karen, but that's a lot of fucking money. I work a professional job, I'm a white woman with a college degree and a professional certification. I get paid good money to stare blankly into the dead air a couple inches in front of my two monitors for eight hours a day. But you know, I'm trying to figure out how to manage on one income instead of the two my ex and I were living on, and it's an adjustment.
Wages have gone up on the low end, and I'm happy, but it's not even close to enough to live on. I remember just a couple of years ago the big thing was "fight for 15", and that's a bit of a fucking joke here right now. There are a couple of places still only offering $14.75 an hour, just as a "fuck you" to people who had the temerity to advocate for a living wage, but most fast food joints offer above that now, and they still can't find enough people to work at the wages they're offering, under the working conditions they're offering. It's great that Obama raised the federal minimum wage in 2009. It's what, $7.25? I can't say that the Democrats don't care about workers. I'm sure Biden would raise it again if it wasn't for those damn Republicans always wrecking their plans.
Nobody to work the jobs that we rely on workers for, and meanwhile more and more of us are out of work. Nobody can afford to rent or to own, which is I guess fine because there don't seem to be a lot of places available, even with the dramatic increase in the homeless population. It's weird. I don't super understand it. Probably investors or something. Real estate is apparently still a really good investment.
Anyway, I was talking about the apartment I was looking at yesterday. No cooling. It's stiflingly hot out, another heat wave, and it's only July. August is the really hot month. That was one of the luxuries of owning a home, we were able to put a heat pump in. If it gets too much over 100, which it does sometimes, even in Portland, it struggles to keep up, but on days like today, when it's only in the 90s, the heat isn't oppressive like it is for most folks around here. The atmosphere still _feels_ heavy and oppressive, but the temperature, the humidity, isn't.
I look at people talking about politics and they're arguing about, you know, what's more important to me, what issues matter more to me, "cultural" or "economic" issues, what policies the Democrats should take a stand on that would get me to vote for them, whether they _should_ even be trying to get my vote in the first place, and honestly I do think find it a little bit sickening? But I mean, there's a lot right now that makes me feel kind of sick and tired and queasy. Truth be told I'm going through another bout of suicidal ideation. I don't even like talking about it because everybody cares about me and wants me to be happy and wants me to get the help I need and I _have_, you know, I'm privileged enough that I _have_ gotten lots of help but honestly, you know, I tell my therapist this and she listens and she understands, she knows, my problem isn't mental illness, it's that being alive in 2022 is fucking bullshit. It's fucking bullshit and it sucks and it's totally ridiculous to ask _any_ of us to have to put up with the shit we have to put up with, on a regular basis. Human beings shouldn't have to live like this.
But hey, that's out of my control, right? Circle of control. Circle of control. No point in ruminating. No point in doom spiraling. I gotta take care of myself, because I'm worth taking care of, and if I don't have the resources to do that, if the many, many people who care about me don't have the resources to do that, well, you know, one does the best one can with what one has. And I am, and we all are. It's not really our fault that it's not enough. I'm as scared of change as anyone. For all the lit guillotine memes the kids like to share, I know it's my head that's on the chopping block like as not. No matter who's President, the fascists just seem more powerful than ever, right now, and yeah, I am grateful, these days, for anybody who's not overtly fascist, for everybody who's not actively calling for the eradication of "transgenderism". I just don't know how much longer I can keep living like this.
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 08:15 (three years ago)
Thanks to kate for some booming posts upthread.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 15:58 (three years ago)
things going well in the Democratic Party
I’m sorry this is 100% wrecker shit from Nomiki and co at this point. Really despicable to watch. pic.twitter.com/VHjSePqaT1— David Griscom (@DavidGriscom) July 13, 2022
― F'kin Magnetometers, how do they work? (President Keyes), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 18:58 (three years ago)
did this pareene piece get posted
https://forummag.com/2022/07/11/the-never-ending-war-on-the-woke/
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 19:00 (three years ago)
Thanks for the link, I hadn’t heard of Left Behind but have now added it to my reading list.
― blatherskite, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 19:30 (three years ago)
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/leftbehind/images/4/4d/Currie2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090108175521
oh really now?
― F'kin Magnetometers, how do they work? (President Keyes), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 19:40 (three years ago)
guh
Congratulations to the anti-PC brigade. You have gotten what you’ve wanted, over and over again, for many years. How’s it going?since their only political project is getting people w disposable income to send them money I can only assume they love it.
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 19:59 (three years ago)
anti-PC dems, centrists, media scolds, that is.I think the anti-PC right has other plans in mind
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 20:01 (three years ago)
― blatherskite
hopefully your reading list is like mine and this means you will never actually read it, god if only i could exist in such a state of edenic innocence
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 23:38 (three years ago)
Biden just got Mexico to pay $1.5 billion to secure the border with actual smart technology, not a dumb wall. Feels like the media should be talking about this more.— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) July 13, 2022
"We're better at Republican policy than Republicans"
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 23:45 (three years ago)
really does feel like harvard vs yale sometimes
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 23:53 (three years ago)
NEW: The NDAA bars the Pentagon from assisting Afghanistan in *any way,* after an @IlhanMN amendment was ruled out of order https://t.co/XOlKRn1moh by @DRBoguslaw— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) July 13, 2022
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 14 July 2022 00:01 (three years ago)
Yesterday I read a Guardian article that said that Joe Biden would probably be Democratic candidate in 2024.
I realise that Biden wasn't the best or ideal candidate in 2020. But won't he be a considerably worse candidate in 2024?
― the pinefox, Thursday, 14 July 2022 10:14 (three years ago)
Yes.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 July 2022 11:31 (three years ago)
For sure, but he would still have the advantage of being the incumbent (most presidents who run for reelection win), and it's not clear that anyone else in the party who actually wants the job is more popular than him.
Worth noting that the last time a sitting president was not his party's candidate despite being eligible for another term was LBJ in 1968. Had he run, he likely would have lost, anyway, but the fractious Democratic nomination process that year and Nixon's ultimate defeat of Humphrey do not offer a hopeful precedent.
― jaymc, Thursday, 14 July 2022 13:21 (three years ago)
he is too fucking old, so is sanders, so are a whole lot of the people who think the best use for their should-be-enjoying-their-golden-years brains & bodies is a job that ideally would go to somebody really sharp & up on current things and all. if the Democrats would run somebody young it would help them, they won't.
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 14 July 2022 13:29 (three years ago)
which way, Democratic Party?
I cannot believe I have to be on the same side as this person. She is neither helpful to the cause of democracy, nor half as clever as she fancies herself. https://t.co/9zdqmL4MJG— Rachel Vindman 🌻 (@natsechobbyist) July 13, 2022
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Thursday, 14 July 2022 13:29 (three years ago)
absolutely agree with JCLC. my one hang up though is that both ppl in this tweet are young, sharp and up on things. “natsechobbyist”
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Thursday, 14 July 2022 13:37 (three years ago)
Vindman is a newcomer to the Democratic Party. Her husband was on Trump's National Security Council and was shunned for testifying in the first impeachment.
― peace, man, Thursday, 14 July 2022 14:10 (three years ago)
ha! interesting. so at what point does the big tent start to actually hurt you
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Thursday, 14 July 2022 14:18 (three years ago)
When you reach over to grope a cute dude and it turns out to be a rattlesnake.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 July 2022 14:21 (three years ago)
Right, Rachel Vindman says she was a Republican until 2019: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/it-was-time-to-fight-back-my-journey-from-the-republican-party-through-grief-to-advocacy/ar-AAQ9hRb
― jaymc, Thursday, 14 July 2022 14:25 (three years ago)
the Republican gentrifiers in the Democratic party are upset that there are still brown people in the neighborhood
― F'kin Magnetometers, how do they work? (President Keyes), Thursday, 14 July 2022 14:32 (three years ago)
Amazingly, this article does not shit on the people interviewed:
Alexandra Chadwick went to the polls in 2020 with the singular goal of ousting Donald J. Trump. A 22-year-old first time voter, she saw Joseph R. Biden Jr. as more of a safeguard than an inspiring political figure, someone who could stave off threats to abortion access, gun control and climate policy.Two years later, as the Supreme Court has eroded federal protections on all three, Ms. Chadwick now sees President Biden and other Democratic leaders as lacking both the imagination and willpower to fight back. She points to a generational gap — one she once overlooked but now seems cavernous.“How are you going to accurately lead your country if your mind is still stuck 50, 60 or 70 years ago?” Ms. Chadwick, a customer service representative in Rialto, Calif., said of the many septuagenarian leaders at the helm of her party. “It’s not the same, and people aren’t the same, and your old ideas aren’t going to work as well anymore.”
Two years later, as the Supreme Court has eroded federal protections on all three, Ms. Chadwick now sees President Biden and other Democratic leaders as lacking both the imagination and willpower to fight back. She points to a generational gap — one she once overlooked but now seems cavernous.
“How are you going to accurately lead your country if your mind is still stuck 50, 60 or 70 years ago?” Ms. Chadwick, a customer service representative in Rialto, Calif., said of the many septuagenarian leaders at the helm of her party. “It’s not the same, and people aren’t the same, and your old ideas aren’t going to work as well anymore.”
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 14 July 2022 14:48 (three years ago)
Nate Cohn has a column in the NYT called the Upshot and recently posted an article there based on a NYT/Siena College poll that seemed to suggest that white liberal Democratic voters in upper income brackets are motivated by abortion and gun violence and could be counted on to vote in the midterm elections. Somehow this seems to me not to be quite the right footing for progress in the Democratic Party because I think economic issues even if unspoken are fundamental; carrying about anything else is a luxury. Why did he write this based on a college poll? What is a college poll?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/13/upshot/poll-2022-midterms-congress.html
― youn, Thursday, 14 July 2022 18:15 (three years ago)
Siena College's poli sci (or statistics or something) team does the polling.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 14 July 2022 18:16 (three years ago)
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)
tbh at this point i trust rattlesnakes more than i trust cute dudes, present company excepted
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 14 July 2022 18:18 (three years ago)
so at what point does the big tent start to actually hurt you
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will)
when you open a twitter account and start tweeting, as far as i can tell
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 14 July 2022 18:20 (three years ago)
yes, Siena College, realized after posting (bad parsing)
― youn, Thursday, 14 July 2022 18:25 (three years ago)
from 2006 (the possibilities for strategy if not purpose):
i think something that's still missing from a lot of this is an understanding that the current republican base was built from the ground up. it wasn't just a matter of coming up with the right code words or whatever, it was a long and systematic takeover of the party by various interest groups with overlapping or at least complementary agendas. the democrats at the moment seem disconnected from whatever constitutes their base, and even suspicious of it. it seems very top-down.
― youn, Thursday, 14 July 2022 18:31 (three years ago)
i do think it's worth understanding and analyzing the republican party as an authoritarian revolutionary movement, understanding their success and their failures, particularly in light of the democrats' tendency to self-define in negative terms, in terms of "we're whatever the republicans aren't"
like for instance, the republicans have certain advantages both structural and strategic. radical theocratic christianity, for instance, has become a huge asset to them. look at the way they've taken over the roman catholic church! a tremendous success. sixty years ago, catholics voted overwhelmingly democratic; now, they're a solidly republican bloc, and the way that happened was the willingness of theocrats to exploit roe v. wade specifically to gain catholics as allies. given the _outsize_ roman catholic role in the judiciary, this was a _significant_ long-term success.
all of american christianity, at this point, belongs to the republican party. it is the single largest base of organizational power within that party, and it has taken effective power starting from a grass-roots level (school boards, etc.) up through the state level, to where it can now legislate its agenda without restriction.
and what of christianity outside the radical republicans? it is dying, just as the democratic party is dying, by its understandable hesitation to engage in holy wars. they don't want _conflict_, they don't want _dissent_, they don't have the fervent conviction in their own unassailable _right_ that the theocrats do. "god", they say, "is not on our side; we strive to be on god's". well, that's not what the theocrats say! they proclaim it strongly and with absolute conviction, and who disagrees? nobody. all you can do with fanatics of this sort is shrug and walk away. you can't talk with them, you can't _reason_ with them. and these are the republican base, the people who have all of the power in america, although of course _they_ will swear up and down that they're the victims.
this is another key aspect to the republicans' success, their fundamental _narcissistic psychopathy_. they are willing to lie and cheat and steal, anything, _anything_, to gain power, which they self-conceptualize as "self-defense". i mean, it's right there in the 14 words, right? don't tell a republican where the 14 words come from and see how many agree with it. hell, don't tell a _democrat_ where they come from and see how many agree with it.
the limit, of course, is that they are delusional, narcissistic, psychopaths, on an organizational level. they can't govern effectively. hell, they can't even _rule_ effectively. all they can do is hurt people, and a moderate, discourse-based party like the democrats, one which believes, first and foremost, in _principles_ rather than _people_, one which is _universalist_, believes in _coexistence_, believes that deep down we all want the same thing, that all we have to do is talk out our differences - such an organization is powerless to stop it.
the challenge here is that there are three aspects here, three aspects which are compressed into a dualist framework, a framework which is one, or the other. the republicans have embraced the aspect of the destroyer. the democrats are left with this tension, trying to encompass the creator and the preserver at the same time.
but there is more of the destroyer than the preserver in me, in me now. i look at the america which was, many years ago, created, the america that was, the america which the republicans destroy, and i do not find it good. i find that the liberals' world had no place for me, that it _still_ has no place for me. i cannot be shoehorned into their vision. i do not _belong_, _cannot_ be in the world as they would have it. i am a monster produced by the "sleep" of reason. the world they want to preserve, to restore, is one which would be ruinous to me, which was ruinous to many of us - all those who were not old white landowning cishet men - and yet they persist in calling out, "bring the balance back". not only are they deluded in the belief that they can _do_ that, they are deluded in thinking i _want_ that. i do _not_.
the democratic party, as it is currently constructed, has as much future in this world, as much _use_ in this world, as mainline protestantism, which is to say: little to none.
y'all i _will_ get these reports run, i promise
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 14 July 2022 19:38 (three years ago)
(not making other or saying (or thinking?) they?)
― youn, Thursday, 14 July 2022 19:48 (three years ago)
― youn
was that to me? i can't parse that, i'm sorry
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 14 July 2022 19:57 (three years ago)
The Democratic Party in some ways seems not as inclusive as the Republican Party in its approach to working class voters.
― youn, Thursday, 14 July 2022 20:03 (three years ago)
what even are "working class voters", this is one of the fundamental framing divides the democratic party has, because all those jobs fucking got taken by machines, there's a bunch of people who are out of work or doing service industry bullshit, and the people who belong to that class - i admit "proletarian" is a big jargony word - aren't voting republican because they're _poor_, they're voting republican because they're _white_. enough with the stupid fucking euphemisms so liberals can avoid acknowledging race. see: thread on the pull quote from that guy in the article upthread where we're meant to _assume_ his skin color because actually talking about it in an article about _how the democrats are losing black voters_ would be gauche or something.
i mean unless i'm reading you wrong? this just seems like "hillbilly elegy" all over again. trying to get the "white working class vote" by being racist won't work because the democrats can't possibly be as racist as the republicans, even if they try really really really hard (and they do, a lot of the time).
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 14 July 2022 20:36 (three years ago)
for the record i did finally finish those reports, thank fuck
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 14 July 2022 20:37 (three years ago)
I think I meant that I think economic class is what matters most and that this cuts across lines of race, gender, religion, and views on personal liberty vs. the state, but many people might not identify with economic class most strongly or I may be wrong in my assumption.
― youn, Thursday, 14 July 2022 20:43 (three years ago)
i mean it's either/or thinking, _class and race cannot be differentiated_, black people are poor _because they're black_, trans people are poor _because they're trans_, white people are poor because they're brainwashed into supporting racist shitheads who appeal to their racism and blame minorities for their poverty. it's not the same thing. you want to try to make white people woke, be my guest, but that sort of thing doesn't seem to be playing very well right now.
"oh if we tell white people they're racist they're not going to vote for us", they're _already_ not voting for you, wake up and smell the napalm. throw away white cishet male voters, throw away a good chunk of white cishet female voters, a good chunk of white cis gay male voters, the more you try to hold on to them the more of us you keep away from the polls. get rid of white cishet candidates altogether. don't run them anywhere, don't run a white cishet guy for dogcatcher. the republicans have that market locked up, it's _nothing_ but a net disadvantage for y'all. go after women, go after minorities, do the work to build solidarity between groups with different interests - if the republicans can get mormons and baptists on the same fucking team y'all can get black guys and white trans women on the same team. and for god's sake, actually acknowledge the structural impediments that keep us from having a voice, all of the bullshit the republicans have put in place to suppress our vote, and _don't accept it as legitimate_, because it's fucking _not_, the cops are not _legitimate_, the racist carceral state is _not legitimate_. because if you agree to play by their rules, they've already fucking won.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 14 July 2022 20:54 (three years ago)
^This is a bad idea. There are plenty of white cishet male voters who are down with the cause(s). And running an entire political party based on identity is reductive and probably unworkable.
― DJI, Thursday, 14 July 2022 21:00 (three years ago)
P sure the numbers just don't work for that - too many of everyone who is not a white cishet man are either nonvoters or conservatives, including huge % of white women and growing percentages of hispanic voters.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 14 July 2022 21:08 (three years ago)
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Thursday, 14 July 2022 21:21 (three years ago)