2008 Primaries Thread 3: The Rejecting and Denouncening

Rudy made a few nice speeches for a week after Sept 11. The stuff "that people didn't know about" (besides the genius move of putting the emergency command post at the World Trade Center) was that most of NYC had soured on his petty, autocratic, vindictive style by Sept 10.

At least a politically ambiguous, whiny-voiced Jewish veep helped Gore win Florida.

ie "speaking and carrying himself" not as important as actually protecting the health of the people of NY, or letting the EPA do its job, or coordinating emergency services properly, or telling people the air actually wasn't safe to breathe or or or... seriously the list is endless. There's a reason the NY Firefighers Union was actually following him around on the campaign trail specifically to dispel the myth of how well he "handled" 9/11.

o. nate, rudy blew up 7wtc, do keep up

^^^^No one's disagreeing with this^^^^ xposts dammit

But there *was* something that people (people who were and probably still are ignorant of all of Rudy's evil deeds) picked up on in his communication in the week that followed 9/11.

I still can't believe gore picked lieberman.

Check this out. And that's from one of the most non-partisan/non-political magazines you'll ever see.

o.nate, you may well know this, but jhoshea is referring to the fact that, contrary to video appearances and talking head narratives, other than his (self-?)reassuring speechifying, and (dangerous? white house-directed?) quick comeback effort, rudy arguably had no idea what was going on on 9/11 (hampered by bad prior decisions), and ran from danger. not that one should necessarily blame him aside from his office.

jhoshea, you may well know this, but o.nate is not a furriner

But there *was* something that people (people who were and probably still are ignorant of all of Rudy's evil deeds) picked up on in his communication in the week that followed 9/

He carried himself as a leader more effectively than W.

It wasn't so much credulous media as media desperate for some kind of narrative to stick on the story and 'plucky mayor' worked even though that story's relationship with any kind of objective truth was tenuous at best.

i.e. projected "decisiveness."

The point I was trying to make is that I don't really think lumping Bloomberg and Giuliani together as examples of "media construction" is really particularly interesting or informative. One is clearly much more famous than the other and for quite different reasons.

oh good, we're back to how "leaders" "carry" themselves

OMG ALL U RETARDED FUCKING IDIOTS RUDAY GAVE A SPEECH OMG GREAT FU

THEY GUY IS 100000% FRAUD

HE ELEVATED HIS MOBBED UP DRIVER TO POLICE CHIEF THEN SPENT 9/11 REAPPROPRIATING HIM AS HIS DRIVER AGAIN WHILE DUDE SHOULD HAVE YOU KNOW BEEN DOING POLICE CHIEF STUFF

HE PUT THE FUCKING EMERGENCY COMMAND CENTER IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER WHICH HAD ALREADY BEEN THE TARGET OF A TERRORIST ATTACK - ALL SO HE COULD WALK THERE FROM CITY HALL

HE BLOCKED THE PURCHASE OF NEW RADIO SYSTEMS THAT WOULDVE ALLOWED SUPERIOR COMMUNICATION ON 9/11 AND LIKELY SAVED THE LIVES OF HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE

HE WAS A FUCKING HORRIBLE FASCIST AS MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY

WHAT DID THE PRESS SAY ABT HIM IN THE WAKE OF 9/11? OMG WAHT A GREAT SPEECHES I LUV YOOU GOOO GOO GAHHHHH

xpost sorry
The fact is--evil incompetent media or not--Rudy played his cards brilliantly, for a while at least.

Ambinder:

The First Read gang is all a-buzz at the Obama-Needs-A-Jew-On-The-Ticket-Angle, but I think the best way to look at an Obama-Bloomberg ticket is by noticing their complimentary traits. Obama isn't much of an administrator or a details guy by his own admission, while Bloomberg is so concerned about Your Health and Welfare that he studies intently the ins and outs of congestion pricing and trans-fats. He's a prime minister-type -- although he brings an outsider's sense of efficiency to the bureaucracy. Let Obama be the vision guy; Bloomberg could be the brass-tacts administrator.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/obama_bloomberg_is_extraordina.php

the media /= New Yorkers

First, the media's just pointing out obvious truths about Clinton. Now, they're fabricating Giuliani myths out of whole cloth!

My suggestion: don't be so selective about when you power up your phearsome media bullshit detectors

Let Obama be the vision guy; Bloomberg could be the brass-tacts administrator.

Obama is Bush to Bloomberg's Cheney? I never got the impression that Obama wasn't a "details guy," but I could be wrong.

btw, Bloomie is a paternalist extraoirdinaire, right down to guns, so I don't think he's gonna help too much with libertarians, and would do damage to Obama on that front. he's a bad pick.

hillary blew up 7wtc

if the media is so down on HRC why are they still treating this like the neck-and-neck contest it isn't?

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lol tracer addressing the thread as a whole

guys i miss having mitt and rudy and huck to kick around, john mccain is the most boringest republican nominee ever.

^^^ This. He's the most boringest and the most irritatingest ("My friends, my friends, my friends, my friends . . . .").

yeah sorry but I think Giuliani barely deserves a lick of credit for his 9/11 press-conferencing. The public would have rallied around any competent-seeming (emphasis on "seeming") mayor after an event like that.

Not really sure why Bloomberg's persona should be compared to Giuliani. If anything he seems to have been a mayor who wasn't initially very good at projecting a strong persona, and who only grew on people over time by coming across as a measured, careful decision maker who at least believed he genuinely had the public's best interests in mind. Are you saying that that itself is a constructed image?

four score and seven posts ago

I do not think Obama will be picking Bloomberg for much of anything apart from 'warm-up guy'.

http://ro.getalyric.com/mp3/versuri/cantece/phish-4642/rift-15091/my_friend_my_friend-81458/

four score and seven posts ago

-- gabbneb, Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

And thirty seconds ago! It's hard to keep up!

hurting im saying that people have only the foggiest idea of bloomie the guy and that if they were exposed to him on any regular basis they wouldnt really like him cause hes a weirdo - which is exactly what happened w/giuliani

i don't think bloomie really compares to giuliani on the weirdo scale

its true that rudy is an alltime weirdo - but still bloomie is plenty weird

Do people actually call Bloomberg 'Bloomie'?

standard operating procedure as outlined by nypost/dailynews style manual

bloom dog

thanks jhoshea

btw, Bloomie is a paternalist extraoirdinaire, right down to guns, so I don't think he's gonna help too much with libertarians, and would do damage to Obama on that front. he's a bad pick.

It's true that Bloomberg's anti-gun position will not endear him to Midwestern libertarians - however, his pro-business credentials might help, as well as his independent credentials (and erstwhile identification as a Republican), and his reputation as a no-nonsense, non-partisan pragmatist. Is it likely that Obama would pick a pro-2nd Amendment VP choice anyway? Who would it be? Webb?

he doesn't have to pick gun enemy #1. Webb could be a very strong possibility if it were not for the Senate seat thing. 'independent' means different things. he will not help in the midwest.

all of bloomberg's cred in flyover states will be washed away when they someone points out that he's as gay as a $13 bill

Many New Yorkers were genuinely surprised that Giuliani could exhibit any human-like characteristics at all.

"human-like"

obama /webb is v appealing

You mean Cynthia Webb, right? Executive administrative assistant at Exelon Nuclear?

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/224/AB7

really dont think bloomberg has any cred in flyover states to begin with

no this guy tracer

http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/images/Jim-Webb-Boots-Iraq.jpg

Giuliani = had cred in flyover states until people saw what a creep he was
Bloomberg = has none right now, could probably gain some but it would take way too long

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc

omg hil didn't lie about bosnia

i mean im not personally that into webbs politics/reagan history but there is undeniable synergy there

Que I know - but I thought it was bad form for this thread to show no results for Ctrl-F "Exelon"

How about Mark Warner? Is it too late for him to ditch his Senate run?

he ditched it, didn't he?