Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

Fire station on the corner near where I stay is flying the flag at half mast today. Again.

why is the flag ever at full mast anymore even. should just be half mast all the time for the shootings that happen every day and quartermast when the day's toll is above, like, 50.

"i shouldn't gloom in here, this is the mass shooting thread -- oh."

each inch the flag is lowered further disrespects the troops

his is the mass shooting thread and not the Oakland thread

Gallows humor, but "you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"

Highland Park mass shooting update: Family calls police to say man threatened to "kill everyone." They take his knives. Father, however, later sponsors son's application for a gun permit. State gives it to him, couldn't prove he was dangerous. This is America

— Gregory Pratt (@royalpratt) July 5, 2022

Dog doesn't care about fireworks, but hates thunder and landscapers who tow those giant mesh trailers. Maybe it's the bass and duration.

I can tell the difference between the fireworks and the semi-automatic fireworks, but I'm not out there going, "Yessirree, that one was a Glock 920. Oooh, that one sounds like a Black Cat F14!"

It's sad I'm used to it, just like I'm numb to people who represent me in Congress taking the wrong side of this every time. So gallows humor it is.

I'm with BradNelson here.

I am 51 years old; I have lived lots of places. I was a Boy Scout. I worked for 20 years in intelligence, defense, and national security. At various times I've worked for the CIA, the White House, the Army, and the Coast Guard.

I have never held or fired a gun, and I don't think I have ever heard one fired in anger. Maybe I've heard ceremonial gunfire, with blanks? Like at a funeral or something. I can't remember a specific instance but it seems possible.

Guns are just not a thing in my world, and I don't think that's particularly weird or bubble-bound.

one story that comes to mind is when I was 13 during summer vacation my dad used to hide the power supply to the N64 somewhere because he didn't want us playing it all day

one rainy day I decided to take matters into my own hands and go into his room to find where he hid it. I never did find it but I did find his gun and some ammunition in a shoebox in his closet. I remember being in awe of it, both scared and fascinated

it definitely ran through my mind "I could kill someone now", not that I would ever consider the thought, but there were times I felt ostracized, misunderstood, angry, etc.

and so to me this is kind of the problem. when Columbine happened everyone was forced to confront the horror of it full stop. but for some it planted a seed. you can always go out and shoot people. as we've moved on and these shooting become more and more common that seed is now in everyone's head. if the world gets too much, if people just don't understand, or don't listen, or don't care about you, or if you get too indoctrinated into right-wing propaganda convincing you that society wants white men to just go away you can just buy a gun and fire into a crowd. then you'll be somebody and everyone will be sorry! it keeps happening because it keeps happening! and I don't see how we can stop it!

I used to think I could generally tell the difference, but I had a conversation last week with a guy who spent 11 years in the military before moving to the US and talked fairly convincingly about how even with his extensive experience it's grown more and more difficult for him to tell the difference when it comes to certain types of guns and calibers. He said some types of guns are very easy to distinguish from fireworks, but smaller caliber guns (iirc his explanation, he got very detailed and technical far beyond anything I've ever wanted to understand about guns) can sound extremely similar to firework pops. He said, particularly in an urban environment when, say, the fireworks or shot is in an alley with lots of surfaces to echo off of, it can become even more challenging.

I had a bullet come through my living room window about four years ago when I lived in Jersey City, NJ. I thought it was a lightbulb that popped (!!) when I heard it. Then the cops showed up. Shooting across the street, one wounded and a stray went in my direction. I took it as an omen, on top of the general malaise in the air at the time, to get out of Dodge. Have lived in Netherlands for three years now.

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There was a notorious shooting spree in Chicago in early 2021 where a guy shot and killed five people as he worked his way from the south side all the way to the north side that ended with a brief shootout between the shooter and the cops half a block from our house. I immediately knew those were decidedly not fireworks.

I had a very mid 2000s occurrence where my girl friend and I were watching the wire in her bed on a laptop. As some intense scene is just getting going, shots ring out right outside her window. Lots of shootings in that neighborhood including a terrible one where a guy lit up on crack just started firing randomly and killed a little kid

The man charged with killing seven people at an Independence Day parade confessed to police that he unleashed a hail of bullets from a rooftop in suburban Chicago and then fled to the Madison, Wisconsin, area, where he contemplated shooting up an event there, authorities said Wednesday.

My daughter is about to go to college there. When I heard that on the news I teetered between nausea and tears.

BREAKING: A rifle-armed Uvalde officer sighted in to shoot the Robb Elementary attacker before he entered the school but instead waited for supervisor permission -- one of many new revelations in a report obtained today by national experts about the May 24 police response. 1/4

— Tony Plohetski (@tplohetski) July 6, 2022

xpost My gf's cousin and his family were at the Highland Park parade (all safe, thankfully). My gf's niece and nephew live in Madison. I'm not proud of the deeply vengeful things I'm feeling towards this POS right now.

Presented without comment:

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene blames July Fourth mass shooting on LGBTQ plot to enact ‘more gun control’

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-blames-july-fourth-mass-shooting-on-lgbtq-plot-to-enact-more-gun-control/ar-AAZh2pN?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=835bc2fa55314e4d95fdc8cab42d49fb

Greene conceded that her bizarro theory might sound to some “like a conspiracy theory.”

“By the way, what’s the definition of a right-wing conspiracy theory?” she asked, shaking her head in disbelief that anyone could doubt her outlandish claims. “It’s just the news a month early.”

still waiting for Trump to arrest & execute the paedo-Dem cabal, any day now

Xpost oh cool, she's the own who saw "The Life of David Gale"

“By the way, what’s the definition of a right-wing conspiracy theory?” she asked, shaking her head in disbelief that anyone could doubt her outlandish claims. “It’s just the news a month early.”

and that's why they were so proactive and cognizant about preventing the spread of Covid? ... what a horrible person. She truly makes me resent the fact we belong to the same species.

I have to say this spree shooting comspiracy is like the worst conspiracy of all time, because nothing ever changes when they happen

my older brother watches Alex Jones sometimes and when I asked him about that he says "well he's really entertaining, I know it's mostly bullshit but, you know, he does in hindsight turn out to be right about a lot of stuff" and I could not press him hard enough to figure out exactly what he was ever right about

unfortunately there are zero consequences for lying or outright making stuff up in Congress so of course this is what they're gonna do

"No, man, they really ARE turning the frogs gay. He's wrong about everything else, though."

xxxpost Yeah, the people who think every boom is a gun have no idea. But a series of pops can be easily confused for a series of other pops. For a while here assholes were installing exhaust pipes that mimicked the sound of guns. A la

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, July 5, 2022 11:07 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Do Bubb Rubb and Lil' Sis have any comment?

marjorie taylor greene is a false flag to make right wingers look like a nest of whackos

I have to say this spree shooting comspiracy is like the worst conspiracy of all time, because nothing ever changes when they happen

― F'kin Magnetometers, how do they work? (President Keyes), Thursday, July 7, 2022 2:59 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Right? It's amazing how Defendants have been trying this same failed false flag operation for decades as gun control only gets weaker.

well it's not that *nothing* changes when there's another shooting. gun sales go up. so the gun manufacturers and the pols they pay are further incentivized to encourage more shootings.

god, it's somehow even worse than you thought

NEW: The @statesman just published surveillance footage from the Uvalde mass school shooting, which shows police in ballistics gear waiting around in a school hallway and EVEN STOPPING TO GET HAND SANITIZER while children and educators were slaughtered. https://t.co/GJWZjMH9Y2 pic.twitter.com/IoUVFGgPdj

— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) July 12, 2022

I don't feel bad for the pigs but I feel like these guys are gonna be haunted by this their entire lives. they let kids get murdered.

So this afternoon, CNN showed the Austin Statesman edit, 4 minutes, I think, of the 77-minute video, which has been scheduled to be shown by State Authoritahs to survivors in a few days (some parents said to be posting on Fecebook etc about being upset by this leak, Authoritahs def upset by it). Even with children's voices and gunfire edited out here, the short version was almost unbearable, can't imagine parents watching the full-length, full-audio thing. Watching the cops, yeah, that's what's left---well you do see the shooter entering the school and a classroom in a very business-like way, opposite most of the cops, who hang back and peep around corners as 2-3 of them run up to classroom door, then back down the hall, and nooobody's in charge. A mix of local and other uniforms, all training, incl. April exercise and the pages of lessons posted upthread have vanished like snows of yesteryear in places where it still snows. uggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh

can't imagine parents watching the full-length, full-audio thing. Or this cut---I'm sure some were blindsided by it.

I don't feel bad for the pigs but I feel like these guys are gonna be haunted by this their entire lives. they let kids get murdered.

These pigs definitely already think they're the victims here and couldn't give a fuck about the kids, just bathing in cry-bully whiny self pity

_I don't feel bad for the pigs but I feel like these guys are gonna be haunted by this their entire lives. they let kids get murdered._


These pigs definitely already think they're the victims here and couldn't give a fuck about the kids, just bathing in cry-bully whiny self pity

ok you're probably right

the footage is so fucking infuriating, cops just dawdling around, one of 'em has a big grin on his face, another has his cell phone out and you can see his home screen is the blue lives matter Punisher flag

Cops are like pro wrestlers, except unlike wrestlers, their adoring fans don't know they're fake

Shot by a "good guy with a gun." Has that ever happened before?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gunman-kills-three-in-indiana-mall-before-being-shot-by-armed-bystander/ar-AAZGwkG?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=60dbf6d2d11e4eeb855f0f11a620a7e1

Texas church shooting a few years ago, though only after the gunman killed 20+

Yeah, that's the thing. Even in the best-case GGWG scenario, there are almost always already dead people by the time the Lone Ranger rides in.

So much in this, w CNN viewing "hours of bodycam footage" as well as quoting most inclusive report so far---struck by this in the latter:

Uvalde shooting report describes multiple failures and a 'lackadaisical approach' by law enforcement

The 77-page "interim report," first made available to the victims' families, described "an overall lackadaisical approach" by nearly 400 officers who responded, a number of whom were from federal agencies...The report found "the entirety of law enforcement and its training, preparation, and response shares systemic responsibility for many missed opportunities."
According to the report, police who made entry knew there had been gunfire, evidenced by a "cloud of debris" in the hallway, bullet holes in the walls and spent rifle casings on the floor.
But there was no evidence officers had "any contemporaneous understanding, as they arrived in the building, that teachers and students just then had been shot inside the classrooms."
It would be more than an hour before officers finally breached the classroom, killing the shooter.
According to the committee's report, first responders "lost critical momentum" by treating the situation as a "barricaded subject" scenario, which calls for a more measured response compared to an active shooter.
f they had recognized the situation as an active shooter scenario, they should have prioritized the "rescue of innocent victims over the precious time wasted in a search for door keys, and shields to enhance the safety of law enforcement responders," the report states.

Of the 376 responders on scene, 149 were from the United States Border Patrol, 14 were from the Department of Homeland Security and 91 were from the Texas Department of Public Safety. The report did not state when officers from each responding agency arrived on scene.

..."My approach and thought was responding as a police officer. And so I didn't title myself," Arredondo said in the investigative report.

The report also noted others could have assumed command.
Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training "teaches that any law enforcement officer can assume command, that somebody must assume command, and that an incident commander can transfer responsibility as an incident develops," it says.
"That did not happen at Robb Elementary, and the lack of effective incident command is a major factor that caused other vital measures to be left undone," according to the report.

Breakdown in communication
...Arredondo previously told the Texas Tribune he left his two radios outside the school because he wanted his hands free to hold his gun.
Robb Elementary had its own issues, per the investigative report, which found that poor WiFi "likely delayed the lockdown alert" the day of the shooting. Not all teachers received the report immediately, and the school intercom was not used to communicate during the lockdown.
"As a result, not all teachers received timely notice of the lockdown," the report says.
Additionally, the school had what the report calls "recurring problems" with doors and locks, including the locking mechanism to room 111, which was "widely known to be faulty, yet it was not repaired."
"Robb Elementary had a culture of noncompliance with safety policies requiring doors to be kept locked, which turned out to be fatal," the report says.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/18/us/5-key-takeaways-uvalde-report-and-video/index.html

https://www.vice.com/en/article/akevd5/denver-cops-mass-shooting

So the GGWGs should have shot the cops, yeah?

This is the problem with the GGWG scenario, too. Only a matter of time before some armed vigilante does the same. We need less guns not more.. cops included.

i'll never forget an interview i saw with a guy who was nearby the gabby giffords shooting and was armed, ran towards the sound of the shots with his gun drawn, rounded a corner and saw a guy with a gun and came within an instant of firing before he realized it was the cops and they had already taken the shooter down. he seemed truly shaken and haunted by the idea that he came within a split second of shooting a bunch of people for no good reason.

If he was a cop he would have thought up a good reason

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I remember that same incident.

Prez OTM

I was fortunate enough to see a screening of the new Gabby Giffords documentary, "Gabby Giffords Won't Back Down," last night. Highly, highly recommended. It works on so many levels, from an indictment of gun violence to a story of absolutely heroic resilience and determination. Gabby was there afterwards for a Q&A and lots of hugs. She is a remarkable human being.

I should have said, "an indictment of political inaction on gun violence."

Gunman killed 3 at state park before dying from self-inflicted wound, Iowa authorities say. It appears he was camping with the three, but no info on how he related to them. (Poorly, lol.)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/gunman-killed-3-at-state-park-before-dying-from-self-inflicted-wound-iowa-authorities-say/ar-AAZSaVT