xxxpost Plus you've got a guy placed on the court by a President elected before anyone under 33 was even born taking away the rights of current and future generations of women
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:31 (two years ago) link
yea whoever said this feels worse than the Trump era was right, at least then you had the hope that things would turn around in 2020. Dems got all 3 houses and welp here we are. obviously I have a lot of frustration towards this current administration but I'm not sure what they even could do if Manchin and Sinema remain uncooperative, sure as hell feels like America is set up to reward bad actors
the other part is just seeing up front that the GOP really is that bad. I was holding onto hope that people on here and on Twitter were mostly overreacting, that surely the Trump administration wouldn't ACTUALLY try to overturn an election through a violent coup, that surely these SC justices wouldn't ACTUALLY try to overturn something as widely popular as Roe, especially after giving sworn testimony they wouldn't
it sucks because I had this sense of dread when RBG died, it felt nearly as bad as when Trump won somehow. but I realized I had been despairing too much, I just didn't have any more room to feel bad about it, and that for once you just gotta hope things will be alright. instead everything bad we thought was gonna happen wound up happening. I'm too exhausted to care anymore.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:42 (two years ago) link
I had that same dread. I hoped somehow we'd avoid an overturn but it felt inevitable. Esp when Loony Barrett was nominated
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:44 (two years ago) link
Why, I'd even go so far to say that she's more "notorious" than her predecessor!
― pplains, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 18:02 (two years ago) link
And the capper we all knew was coming...
The Supreme Court's first decision of the day is West Virginia v. EPA. In a 6–3 decision by Roberts, the court strictly curbs the EPA's power to mandate carbon emissions from existing power plants. https://t.co/EaPGix54LE— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) June 30, 2022
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:03 (two years ago) link
Biden should’ve said it an hour after the Court ruled.— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) June 30, 2022
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:04 (two years ago) link
at least to my reading they decided it somewhat narrowly (the EPA can't use the Clean Ar Act to curb carbon emissions because carbon dioxide is not classified as a pollutant) rather than completely gutting delegation.
― F'kin Magnetometers, how do they work? (President Keyes), Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:13 (two years ago) link
The Supreme Court's second and final opinion of the day—and the term—is Biden v. Texas, the Remain in Mexico case. The Biden administration wins, 5–4, with Roberts and Kavanaugh joining the liberals. Biden can rescind the policy. https://t.co/QIo8hJybz1— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) June 30, 2022
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:13 (two years ago) link
Not so fast tho...
I think this right. Today's decision is a victory for the Biden administration, but it gives Trump judges in the lower courts space to retake control of border policy on remand. Very troubling. https://t.co/wuKSlgRtLk— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) June 30, 2022
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:16 (two years ago) link
all of this is obviously very bad, but in a way is this a challenge to congress? to be more creative? to be more "activist" and prescriptive?
oh wait
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:19 (two years ago) link
if the Dem party was functional at all they'd be working on clear legislation to solidify these laws but I am guessing they see saving the planet we all live on as a divisive issue
― frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:27 (two years ago) link
It costs too much.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:29 (two years ago) link
I recently read a Stanford study which tried to estimate the cost of converting every nation on the planet to 100% renewables, landing on a number around $60 trillion
that's a lot, but they also estimated the planet would save $11 trillion or so every year, meaning it would pay for itself within 5 1/2 years. not to mention the massive impacts on the environment and public health
so of course our dumb species won't do it, we won't even try
― frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:33 (two years ago) link
In his dissent, Thomas claims that COVID vaccines were developed with the use of "aborted children." https://t.co/43cSrepGNn— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) June 30, 2022
jesus christ
― frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 15:05 (two years ago) link
clarence thomas i wish you a very die
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 30 June 2022 15:11 (two years ago) link
I still own isclarencethomasdeadyet.com. anybody wanna help me develop it?
I had a static page up on there that just said "unfortunately no" but idk maybe we can do better.
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 June 2022 15:16 (two years ago) link
Just in: In an election case out of North Carolina, SCOTUS agrees to review the "independent state legislature" theory next term. Under that theory, state legislatures have broad power to set rules for federal elections, even if state courts say those rules are unconstitutional.— SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) June 30, 2022
^^ very bad
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:00 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o593zZyfFfc
― Build My Gallows Hi Hi Hi (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:01 (two years ago) link
yea that seems to lay the groundwork to make the attempted coup in 2020 actually successful this time
― frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:03 (two years ago) link
From here it looks like a majority of the court would vote in favor of a ruling based on the legal theory that "might makes right".
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:05 (two years ago) link
“Supreme Court Rules That Supreme Court Lacks Legal Reason to Exist”
There’s a spoken word Godspeed You Black Emperor quote that suits how I feel about life in this country lately, let’s see, what was it?
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:32 (two years ago) link
It occurred to me yesterday: Bloom County devoted dozens of strips to Reagan, Poppy, and the legislative branch. Guess the Burger Court was too boring to satirize.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:36 (two years ago) link
They did!
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:39 (two years ago) link
ooh! Do show!
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:40 (two years ago) link
Oh, no, I meant: you’re right.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:48 (two years ago) link
They are telegraphing their intentions this far out and yet we can all rest assured that the Dems will not do one fucking thing to stop it. Time to get the fuck out of the country.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:47 (two years ago) link
It feels almost inevitable that the deciding vote in the House on overturning the popular vote in '24 will come from a far-right firebrand elected in '22 thanks to Democratic support in the primary.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:49 (two years ago) link
I have great-grandparents who came over on the boat from Finland, maybe it's time to start learning the language and exploring my options.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:50 (two years ago) link
will Geir take us in
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:50 (two years ago) link
Not that there is any realistic plan for getting the fuck out of Dodge, I'm just completely out of hope after the last two weeks. We've got a rogue SCOTUS completely crippling our democracy for the foreseeable future, the Dems are too busy fundraising to spend on far-right primary candidates to do a fucking thing to stop it and voting rights are being completely gutted. Hard to imagine how anything turns around at this point.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:51 (two years ago) link
My only option for grandparent-citizenship in Europe is fucking Poland (sorry Poles).
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:51 (two years ago) link
"The left needs to stand down so we can stop fascism!"*funds fascism*
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:52 (two years ago) link
Back in 2017, I predicted, only partly tongue in cheek, that Trumps' Court would not rest until it had reversed those pesky child labor laws. I really don't think it's out of the question.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:55 (two years ago) link
― joygoat, Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:21 (two years ago) link
Finnish isn't an actual language; it's something they made up to disorient and terrify the Russians during the war, and then it just kind of stuck.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:24 (two years ago) link
maybe we'll get lucky and some of these justices will live long enough to perish in one of the future natural disasters they directly caused with their epa decision
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:32 (two years ago) link
or Kavanaugh can get eaten by something
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:35 (two years ago) link
My grandmother spoke it before she spoke English; her parents spoke little English and never learned much in their small community in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. We hosted a Finnish exchange student about a dozen years ago. I saw an email he wrote to his parents--it looked like long strings of random vowels and consonants with the occasional umlaut thrown in.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:36 (two years ago) link
Reminds me of a story my grandfather used to tell about the rural Illinois town he grew up in; a Czech guy moved to town and assumed he was learning English from his neighbors, but he was actually learning Swedish.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:43 (two years ago) link
I feel like this EPA decision could be catastrophic
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 30 June 2022 19:20 (two years ago) link
Honestly, I don't. Big Industry has figured out that there's money to be made in doing things in a cleaner and more efficient manner. They'll make changes on their own (have already been doing so for years) and Republicans (and Joe Manchin) will scrape their knuckles on the ground and mutter "But we got the judges t'say y' didn't hafta!"
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 30 June 2022 20:05 (two years ago) link
Yeah I mean a decade ago this would’ve been really frightening but the entire energy sector does seem to be making a lot of strides right now
― frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 21:51 (two years ago) link
I don’t see some numbered industrial chemical company (for example) really caring what people on Instagram think, when they can save a few bucks by dumping their waste directly into the nearest river with zero oversight. It’s only going to take a small number of businesses to totally fuck shit up.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 30 June 2022 23:46 (two years ago) link
The year is 2024. SCOTUS just voted 5-4 to allow hunting homeless people for sport, with Roberts joining the minority, arguing that only homeless not actively seeking work should be hunted— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) June 30, 2022
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 1 July 2022 00:00 (two years ago) link
xp it is catastrophic. rolling back the power of federal agencies -- that is, the ones that serve interests other than corporate profits -- is going to be a major goal of this right wing court.
― treeship., Friday, 1 July 2022 01:40 (two years ago) link
Regarding the EPA decision, the major questions doctrine seems like a legitimate question to ask, following from the separation of powers. Roberts may be guilty of using incrementalism as a magic escape hatch, but I sometimes wonder if he is conscious of the reception of expert opinion. Is he pragmatic, institutionally grandiose, aware of anti-intellectualism in the 21st C., ... ?
But doesn't the investment in new sectors delay benefits, and would decision makers expect to be around to reap the benefits and to profit personally?
― youn, Friday, 1 July 2022 10:38 (two years ago) link
Government subsidies could provide the bridge to reduce the cost (and the delayed gratification) of the investment, so it is still plausible that Big Business could switch if anyone is still in touch with reality.
― youn, Friday, 1 July 2022 10:53 (two years ago) link
Have you read Kagan's dissent? It makes it clear how aggressive and results-oriented the application of this supposed doctrine is in this case. In the section of the law in question, Congress gave the agency the power to make these calls. The Court is, by fiat, deciding "ehhh.... no it didn't."
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 1 July 2022 11:39 (two years ago) link
I should read the dissent because the parts that were quoted in the NYT were memorable. Thanks.
I agree that it seems to have been a misapplication (if the doctrine itself is valid and worth retaining now and in the future, based on the little that I know of legal theory) and that the most likely interpretation is that Roberts made his decision based on outcome. (I still wonder about his motives and his rationale.)
― youn, Friday, 1 July 2022 11:51 (two years ago) link
His motives and his rationale are continuing to fatten the wallets of the Koch brothers and their brethren.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 1 July 2022 12:07 (two years ago) link