The Fall of Roe v Wade: US Politics, June 2022

xposts re: whether trump knew about the hang mike pence stuff

yes, he knew, and he (Trump) said he thought Pence deserved it. from today:

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CASSIDY HUTCHINSON: I'm going to go hand the phone to him and he said, Ok. So I went down. I asked the valet if Mark was in the dining room. The valet said, yes. I opened the door — The dining room, briefly stepped in to get Mark's attention. I showed him the phone, like flipped the phone his way so he could see it said Jim Jordan. He had stepped to where I was standing there holding the door open, took the phone, talking to Jim with the door still propped open, so I took a few steps back.

So, I probably was two feet from Mark. He was standing in the doorway going into the Oval Office dining room. They had a brief conversation. And in the crossfires — you know, I heard briefly, like, what they were talking about, but in the background I had heard conversations in the Oval Dining Room with the — at that point talking about the hang Mike Pence chants. [End videotape]

LIZ CHENEY: That clip ended, Ms. Hutchinson, with you recalling that you heard the president, Mr. Meadows, and the White House counsel discussing the hang Mike Pence chants, and then you described for us what happened next. [Begin videotape]

CASSIDY HUTCHINSON: It wasn't until Mark hung up the phone, handed it back to me. I went back to my desk a couple of minutes later. Him and Pat came back, possibly Eric Herschmann too. I'm pretty sure Eric Herschmann was there, but I'm — I'm confident it was Pat that was there. I remember Pat saying something to the effect of, Mark, we need to do something more.

They're literally calling for the vice president to be f'ing hung. And Mark had responded something to the effect of, you heard him, Pat. He thinks Mike deserves it. He doesn't think they're doing anything wrong, to which Pat said something, this is f'ing crazy, we need to be doing something more. Briefly stepped into Mark's office, and when Mark had said something — when Mark had said something to the effect of he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. Knowing what I had heard briefly in the dining room coupled with Pat discussing the hanging Mike Pence chants in the lobby of our office and then Mark's response, I understood "they're" to be the rioters in the Capitol that were chanting for the vice president to be hung. [End videotape]

LIZ CHENEY: Let me pause here on this point. As rioters chanted hang Mike Pence, the president of the United States, Donald Trump, said that "Mike deserves it," and that those rioters were not doing anything wrong. This is a sentiment that he has expressed at other times as well. In an interview with ABC News correspondent Jonathan Karl, President Trump was asked about the supporters chanting hang Mike Pence last year.

it's really amazing that we had such a truly delusional lunatic as president. we've machiavellian lunatics before, but no one this "out there"

For whatever reason this gave me the solid laugh I needed today

<3 glad to hear that :) truth really is way, way stranger than fiction, it has now been conclusively proven

Cheers, KM

I appreciated how prone L. Cheney was to reiteration in today’s hearing, like, to underline how completely insane all of this was

treezy none of my responses are critiquing what you've said btw, I was mocking the commentary on Twitter that was omnipresent today. I pretty much agree with your takes.

ah gotcha

Yeah, he responded to Jonathan Karl, re hang Mike Pence, "It's common sense, it's common sense"(adding something about "when there's blatant voter fraud").

Right, KM? Pretty sure that was it, rhyme and all.

lmao and i believe pence is still sort of tepid and circumspect in his criticisms of trump

same as it ever was
same as it ever was

it's really amazing that we had such a truly delusional lunatic as president. we've machiavellian lunatics before, but no one this "out there"

"well, see, the president believed due to his reading of, um, the consitution, that i should be hung for treason by a mob. he thought they should flay my skin in the public square, as was done, i believe, to some witches in medieval europe. i happen to have a different view of this issue. but i still respect the great work the president did in passing the largest tax cuts in a generation"

seriously the only public figure I can think of who is as impenetrably strange as him is probably Tommy Wiseau

Kyrie Irving

xpost dow

close, i think! according to the transcript it was

JONATHAN KARL: Saying hang Mike Pence.

DONALD TRUMP: Because it's — it's common sense, Jon. It's common sense that you're supposed to protect — how can you — if you know a vote is fraudulent, right, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress?

pence is a coward, but i do think he truly believes in the evangelical stuff and probably really does see trump as a Cyrus-like figure, a very flawed, perhaps even completely evil man that god is using as part of his plan for mike pence and his friends and family to enjoy celestial heaven while their enemies burn, eternally. which, by the way, is as long as you've been alive, every single second, burning agony for those that are there, only your whole lifetime is but a grain of sand on a beach that is getting more sandy with every passing agonizing burning second

xp what is odd is that some people don't see trump as weird. like, i remember an old colleague who was a liberal and she said "the appeal of trump makes sense. he is just your classic, straight white alpha male businessman. successful, tall, like ronald reagan or mitt romney." i was amazed someone saw him as a run of the mill rich guy and not like a perverted version of that archetype constructed in a nightmare.

no disrespect to Cyrus by comparing trump to him there, lol

yea Kyrie is a good comparison but Kyrie at least generally seems to dislike talking to people while both Trump and Wiseau can never stop talking mostly thanks to this weirdly aggressive tendency to lie about every portion of their lives

they just sit there as the the ketchup goes flying and meadows doomscrolls and people are using american flags to stab people, and they think "god, i hope i'm not expected to kiss mother in public in heaven. that's embarrasking, gee willickers"

kyrie doesn't seem like he emerged from the lodge in twin peaks though.

way upthread treesh asked:

wtf was trump planning to do if they let him go to the capitol?

I'm guessing he intended to further incite the mob to accomplish his most important goal: stopping the certification. I expect he thought his personal presence would sufficiently 'inspire' the mob to ensure that Pence and the Congress could not do their job. Once the process of Biden being officially declared the winner was halted he expected to use the resulting chaos, fear and doubt to buy time, during which he could manipulate the outcome in his favor using lies, threats and intimidation. He probably had no real plan of action beyond that.

Add: He may have hoped that with a bit of luck the whole election could be thrown into the House of Representatives or be settled by appealing to "his" Supreme Court. God knows Justice Thomas would have been on board with that.

secretly hoping Ginni Thomas is the person involved with the witness tampering.

Yeah in an ideal world the Thomases being directly involved might just automatically invalidate everything they did since. & subsequently the other big thing at the moment would just go bye bye.
But would be a bit deus ex machina and not very likely.
But god fate of that pair needs to be nasty.

what if there was someone materially responsible for getting Thomas into his position, by gaslighting, excluding, and ostracising his victim, and refusing to allow corroborating witnesses to tesitify

Actually ideal result is not that overturning Roe vs Wade is undone but that something a lot more coherent is put in isn't it? I have heard people saying that it doesn't really go far enough in any way. Would be good if those working on any further legislation would be end users so not largely men. & if church and state could be like separated or something.
Do wonder what an actual Jesus, a swarthy radical jewish guy would think, instead of his ersatz replacement of recent centuries convenient blue eyed white geezer who nicked his name. & handily follows puritanical church creed and stuff.

ILX poster Conrad and I saw this Shakespearean play about DJT

https://www.oldvictheatre.com/stage/event/the-47th

which is close to things discussed above.

oh and Glastonbury is my scene is it

what if there was someone materially responsible for getting Thomas into his position, by gaslighting, excluding, and ostracising his victim, and refusing to allow corroborating witnesses to tesitify

poster Imago: do you, also, like Shakespearean theatre?

Lol

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mesa-county-clerk-tina-peter-loses-race-for-colorado-secretary-of-state

Lol “we’re not done fighting” at 15% behind

I mean, based on the level of fraud, that means she's actually up by about 118 points.

from a 2018 article in the new yorker about the Fair Housing Act:

Late in President Barack Obama’s second term, in 2015, hud adopted meaningful regulations that put teeth in the Fair Housing Act’s mandate to foster integration. The new rules focussed on enhancing access to good schools, jobs, transportation, recreation, and social services. The regulations had strict time lines, which held both the local jurisdictions and hud accountable. Fair-housing advocates rejoiced. Then came the election of Donald Trump. In January of this year, hud Secretary Ben Carson announced that the department would postpone the Obama-era requirements until at least 2020.

anyone know the status of these regulations?

https://www.hud.gov/AFFH should have links to the relevant rules & regulations, to the extent that they have been written -- AFFH was still very much an idea, not even really a pilot program yet, when Obama left office.

Restored last year I think

https://www.hud.gov/press/press_releases_media_advisories/HUD_No_21_098

thanks yall

my nomination for July thread title:

“Bad handwriting, that of a Whacko?”

xp
I misspoke -- "affirmatively furthering fair housing" (AFFH) is a provision in the text of the Fair Housing Act that has been in place for a long time, but was always basically handwaved away at the level of enforcement. What changed with the Obama-era regulations was that municipalities were being encouraged to submit an Analysis of Fair Housing (AFH) instead of an Analysis of Impediments (AI), with the understanding that they could be required to develop action plans in the future in order to continue receiving HUD grants, if just "removing impediments" hasn't done enough to achieve meaningful housing integration. But it never actually got to that point (afaik) before Trump took office. I know Philly was one of the metros that was on HUD's radar c.2015-16 for falling short of the AFFH mandate, but I'm quite sure nothing ever came out it.

For more on the AFH put together by Philadelphia in 2016 that was read by nobody ever: https://philly.curbed.com/2016/10/28/13440026/philadelphia-assessment-of-fair-housing-report-explainer

xxxxxpost Aimless add re Trump wanting to further inflame the troops on 1/6:

: He may have hoped that with a bit of luck the whole election could be thrown into the House of Representatives

Mo "IT"S TIME FOR KICKIN ASS AND TAKIN NAMES" on 1/6 Brooks and other Reps requested pardons in advance---Mo also made smirking reference to things getting settled in the House when a reporter mentioned the failure of Trump's 69 lawsuits and call to the Supreme Court re fraud. Maybe thinking of the Hayes vs. Tilden "Compromise," which was pretty much the Ted Cruz proposal.

gotta say it is frustrating to see the vast majority of media attention being given to Trump reaching for the steering wheel and throwing dinner plates when it was also revealed that he actually made an attempt to get heavily armed people into Capitol grounds, presumably to murder the people they straight up said they wanted to kill. if they wanted to write about that shit they should just go work for Jimmy Fallon

^^^^

every. fucking. time. the media on all sides latches on to the stupidest fucking detail that can be easily dismissed and allows too many people to just shrug off the whole thing.

We need a meme of the Founding Fathers crying over ketchup oozing down a wall

the steering wheel is of importance because it shows how important being there in person was to him (and casts his sulking afternoon in the white house in a different light).

the ketchup thing (and the stupid headlines) are dumb because it's already well known that he does shit like that

Not to minimize the very serious stuff that came out of yesterday’s hearing, but the steering wheel thing also links back to the prior Trump steering wheel thing (the fire truck, right?), which made him seem to some like a lovable idiot, an overgrown child pretending to drive a parked vehicle - in marked contrast to what we learned about Tuesday.

But yeah the larger point stands

I think it’s also getting a lot of attention because it’s a profound and immediate expression of utter and total desperation. It’s small and isolated but it underscores how addled and far gone he is.

And of course Trump's surrogates are already pushing back on that story in the media. It's the weakest point of her testimony, being nothing but pure hearsay (and it was presented as such, she didn't claim to have personal knowledge of the incident).

For his supporters though, being fought off by secret service while he was trying to join them like he said he would is essentially a heroic act.

I'm not arguing that these aren't important details to have on the record, I'm expressing disappoint in the outlets that seem to be fixated on those two details in isolation.