The Fall of Roe v Wade: US Politics, June 2022

yeah

seems insane

"iT's A nOtHiNgBuRgEr!"

so I'm really glad I didn't know any of this shit on 1/6 or I may have passed out

honestly i think if he could have gotten there he would have stood near his car and waved at them or something, and left shortly after, awkwardly. i'm sure he wanted to storm the capitol in his mind, or whatever. but in reality there would just be a very strange photo of him standing by his armored vehicles, waving at the proud boys and oath keepers trying to murder mike pence, per his instructions, as well as some of the worst people in the united states cheering for him.

all of that sounds really pathetic, but it perfectly fits with his self-image and what's important to him, i think. he had just lost an election, even his own cronies like barr were telling him the stolen election stuff was bullshit, and he must have known, somewhere in his head, that having rudy giulini and that one total fucking idiot, i forgot her name, be the face of his effort to steal the election would not end well. jan 6 was a shit show but it was also maybe his last chance (of that year) to double-down for the billionth time, and maybe it would work. if you always double-down, it just has to work once. and they got pretty close to what they wanted that day! i mean, a good part of the reason things didn't get any worse was _the integrity of mike pence_, and man that has to scare the living shit out of anyone who hears it

i don't mean it's a nothingburger, it's clearly MORE evidence that he led a criminal conspiracy to overturn the election that resulted, ultimately, in a deadly riot at the capitol.

i just mean it is funny to think about what was going on in his mind at that time. like, was he picturing himself marching into congress while it was in session or something?

remember that scene in the film Rudy where the whole crowd chants "Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!" because they were so inspired by his story, caught up in his special moment? basically he wanted that, for him. A crowd of his people, the ones with really tacky taste, all together. they probably would have chanted his name, too, or said something like "we want trump". i mean, people kind of casually accept that trump is a narcissist, but that shit is real and there is no more tailor made narcissistic fantasy than being the president and having a mob of your supporters willing to kill people on your command. i guess

i think for me it's just the image of meadows on his couch, doomscrolling and doing jackshit about anything when he's the fucking chief of staff. what a towering jackass

i'm honestly surprised the secret service didn't just let him doddle over there

https://i.imgur.com/kUUQku8.png

i believe this image is the key to the united states of america and the next 250 years

i wonder if trump knew they wanted to hang mike pence and, if so, if he was planning some stirring brutus-like speech to justify it

what exactly was going on with the metal detectors? he demanded that they be removed from the area near where he was speaking? were they?

Somewhere today I saw that he wanted to go there with the metal detectors down, because of "the visuals": a nice picture, as Karl surmised, with the biggest, most beautiful crowd possible, cheering on his biggest, most beautiful speech possible. And then, and then---aw, whatever happened, happened. But no ketchup on the wall today, buddy.

“ honestly i think if he could have gotten there he would have stood near his car and waved at them or something, and left shortly after, awkwardly. i'm sure he wanted to storm the capitol in his mind, or whatever. but in reality there would just be a very strange photo of him standing by his armored vehicles, waving at the proud boys and oath keepers trying to murder mike pence, per his instructions, as well as some of the worst people in the united states cheering for him.”

For whatever reason this gave me the solid laugh I needed today

I think "the visuals" was supposed to be an alibi or scale-down, and we may hear it on Fox.

xposts re: whether trump knew about the hang mike pence stuff

yes, he knew, and he (Trump) said he thought Pence deserved it. from today:

...
CASSIDY HUTCHINSON: I'm going to go hand the phone to him and he said, Ok. So I went down. I asked the valet if Mark was in the dining room. The valet said, yes. I opened the door — The dining room, briefly stepped in to get Mark's attention. I showed him the phone, like flipped the phone his way so he could see it said Jim Jordan. He had stepped to where I was standing there holding the door open, took the phone, talking to Jim with the door still propped open, so I took a few steps back.

So, I probably was two feet from Mark. He was standing in the doorway going into the Oval Office dining room. They had a brief conversation. And in the crossfires — you know, I heard briefly, like, what they were talking about, but in the background I had heard conversations in the Oval Dining Room with the — at that point talking about the hang Mike Pence chants. [End videotape]

LIZ CHENEY: That clip ended, Ms. Hutchinson, with you recalling that you heard the president, Mr. Meadows, and the White House counsel discussing the hang Mike Pence chants, and then you described for us what happened next. [Begin videotape]

CASSIDY HUTCHINSON: It wasn't until Mark hung up the phone, handed it back to me. I went back to my desk a couple of minutes later. Him and Pat came back, possibly Eric Herschmann too. I'm pretty sure Eric Herschmann was there, but I'm — I'm confident it was Pat that was there. I remember Pat saying something to the effect of, Mark, we need to do something more.

They're literally calling for the vice president to be f'ing hung. And Mark had responded something to the effect of, you heard him, Pat. He thinks Mike deserves it. He doesn't think they're doing anything wrong, to which Pat said something, this is f'ing crazy, we need to be doing something more. Briefly stepped into Mark's office, and when Mark had said something — when Mark had said something to the effect of he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. Knowing what I had heard briefly in the dining room coupled with Pat discussing the hanging Mike Pence chants in the lobby of our office and then Mark's response, I understood "they're" to be the rioters in the Capitol that were chanting for the vice president to be hung. [End videotape]

LIZ CHENEY: Let me pause here on this point. As rioters chanted hang Mike Pence, the president of the United States, Donald Trump, said that "Mike deserves it," and that those rioters were not doing anything wrong. This is a sentiment that he has expressed at other times as well. In an interview with ABC News correspondent Jonathan Karl, President Trump was asked about the supporters chanting hang Mike Pence last year.

it's really amazing that we had such a truly delusional lunatic as president. we've machiavellian lunatics before, but no one this "out there"

For whatever reason this gave me the solid laugh I needed today

<3 glad to hear that :) truth really is way, way stranger than fiction, it has now been conclusively proven

Cheers, KM

I appreciated how prone L. Cheney was to reiteration in today’s hearing, like, to underline how completely insane all of this was

treezy none of my responses are critiquing what you've said btw, I was mocking the commentary on Twitter that was omnipresent today. I pretty much agree with your takes.

ah gotcha

Yeah, he responded to Jonathan Karl, re hang Mike Pence, "It's common sense, it's common sense"(adding something about "when there's blatant voter fraud").

Right, KM? Pretty sure that was it, rhyme and all.

lmao and i believe pence is still sort of tepid and circumspect in his criticisms of trump

same as it ever was
same as it ever was

it's really amazing that we had such a truly delusional lunatic as president. we've machiavellian lunatics before, but no one this "out there"

"well, see, the president believed due to his reading of, um, the consitution, that i should be hung for treason by a mob. he thought they should flay my skin in the public square, as was done, i believe, to some witches in medieval europe. i happen to have a different view of this issue. but i still respect the great work the president did in passing the largest tax cuts in a generation"

seriously the only public figure I can think of who is as impenetrably strange as him is probably Tommy Wiseau

Kyrie Irving

xpost dow

close, i think! according to the transcript it was

JONATHAN KARL: Saying hang Mike Pence.

DONALD TRUMP: Because it's — it's common sense, Jon. It's common sense that you're supposed to protect — how can you — if you know a vote is fraudulent, right, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress?

pence is a coward, but i do think he truly believes in the evangelical stuff and probably really does see trump as a Cyrus-like figure, a very flawed, perhaps even completely evil man that god is using as part of his plan for mike pence and his friends and family to enjoy celestial heaven while their enemies burn, eternally. which, by the way, is as long as you've been alive, every single second, burning agony for those that are there, only your whole lifetime is but a grain of sand on a beach that is getting more sandy with every passing agonizing burning second

xp what is odd is that some people don't see trump as weird. like, i remember an old colleague who was a liberal and she said "the appeal of trump makes sense. he is just your classic, straight white alpha male businessman. successful, tall, like ronald reagan or mitt romney." i was amazed someone saw him as a run of the mill rich guy and not like a perverted version of that archetype constructed in a nightmare.

no disrespect to Cyrus by comparing trump to him there, lol

yea Kyrie is a good comparison but Kyrie at least generally seems to dislike talking to people while both Trump and Wiseau can never stop talking mostly thanks to this weirdly aggressive tendency to lie about every portion of their lives

they just sit there as the the ketchup goes flying and meadows doomscrolls and people are using american flags to stab people, and they think "god, i hope i'm not expected to kiss mother in public in heaven. that's embarrasking, gee willickers"

kyrie doesn't seem like he emerged from the lodge in twin peaks though.

way upthread treesh asked:

wtf was trump planning to do if they let him go to the capitol?

I'm guessing he intended to further incite the mob to accomplish his most important goal: stopping the certification. I expect he thought his personal presence would sufficiently 'inspire' the mob to ensure that Pence and the Congress could not do their job. Once the process of Biden being officially declared the winner was halted he expected to use the resulting chaos, fear and doubt to buy time, during which he could manipulate the outcome in his favor using lies, threats and intimidation. He probably had no real plan of action beyond that.

Add: He may have hoped that with a bit of luck the whole election could be thrown into the House of Representatives or be settled by appealing to "his" Supreme Court. God knows Justice Thomas would have been on board with that.

secretly hoping Ginni Thomas is the person involved with the witness tampering.

Yeah in an ideal world the Thomases being directly involved might just automatically invalidate everything they did since. & subsequently the other big thing at the moment would just go bye bye.
But would be a bit deus ex machina and not very likely.
But god fate of that pair needs to be nasty.

what if there was someone materially responsible for getting Thomas into his position, by gaslighting, excluding, and ostracising his victim, and refusing to allow corroborating witnesses to tesitify

Actually ideal result is not that overturning Roe vs Wade is undone but that something a lot more coherent is put in isn't it? I have heard people saying that it doesn't really go far enough in any way. Would be good if those working on any further legislation would be end users so not largely men. & if church and state could be like separated or something.
Do wonder what an actual Jesus, a swarthy radical jewish guy would think, instead of his ersatz replacement of recent centuries convenient blue eyed white geezer who nicked his name. & handily follows puritanical church creed and stuff.

ILX poster Conrad and I saw this Shakespearean play about DJT

https://www.oldvictheatre.com/stage/event/the-47th

which is close to things discussed above.

oh and Glastonbury is my scene is it

what if there was someone materially responsible for getting Thomas into his position, by gaslighting, excluding, and ostracising his victim, and refusing to allow corroborating witnesses to tesitify

poster Imago: do you, also, like Shakespearean theatre?

Lol

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mesa-county-clerk-tina-peter-loses-race-for-colorado-secretary-of-state

Lol “we’re not done fighting” at 15% behind

I mean, based on the level of fraud, that means she's actually up by about 118 points.

from a 2018 article in the new yorker about the Fair Housing Act:

Late in President Barack Obama’s second term, in 2015, hud adopted meaningful regulations that put teeth in the Fair Housing Act’s mandate to foster integration. The new rules focussed on enhancing access to good schools, jobs, transportation, recreation, and social services. The regulations had strict time lines, which held both the local jurisdictions and hud accountable. Fair-housing advocates rejoiced. Then came the election of Donald Trump. In January of this year, hud Secretary Ben Carson announced that the department would postpone the Obama-era requirements until at least 2020.

anyone know the status of these regulations?

https://www.hud.gov/AFFH should have links to the relevant rules & regulations, to the extent that they have been written -- AFFH was still very much an idea, not even really a pilot program yet, when Obama left office.