The Fall of Roe v Wade: US Politics, June 2022

i'm talking about the way it was done. they stranded women and families who have been murdered by the Taliban. he fucking rushed it so we could make it a lil celebratory thing bc our experience as americans is all that matters. my wife literally, to this day, gets plea's from women to help her get out. the last one mentioned that the taliban had sent pictures of her murdered family to her house. so yeah, not really an odd thing to get pissed about

get them out

I think there's a lot of good things the Biden administration has done, maybe nothing splashy and certainly not enough to meet the moment, but still...

https://apnews.com/article/climate-biden-and-environment-government-politics-13e5d01c3f43c899e39f337d478c1179

idk if the time is right for someone like AOC just yet, but no one else is stepping up to be the face of the Democrat party. I'm thinking someone like Elizabeth Warren could be successful, but hopefully it's someone several decades younger than she is

and sorry but it's a shame more ppl on this board aren't pissed about it

i've come to really dislike Biden. in a way i didn't think was possible when i voted for him. the fucking gall of pulling troops out of afghanistan because you want to hit the anniversary of 9/11. fuck

― Heez, Tuesday, June 28, 2022

You had me until the last sentence. A cheap politician's trick, but we're out.

Did you read anything I wrote after that?

Biden's been excellent with nominating judges, better than Obama and even Trump.

And his Title IX rules acknowledge and protect trans citizens.

I’m confused y’all are cool with how we left Afghanistan?

I’m emphasizing HOW here

I’m mostly not cool with how we ever went there to begin with. And embarrassed to say I bought into Obama’s “good war” narrative early on. what a shitshow, stem to stern

and by god we’ll do something just as stupid again

this is good i guess: https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/06/28/taliban-afghanistan-white-house-money/

and i get that Biden's hands were basically tied due to trump completely removing the afghan govt from negotiations... it's just pathetic the way they evacuated

One of my best friends covered the war as a political reporter, Heez, and as much as he opposed the war and lauded the administration's move he too thought abandoning crucial allies a catastrophe. We did get about, what, 120,000 out iirc?

So I sympathize with you and your wife's positions.

yeah, my wife personally helped get women out so it's a big issue for me. i play basketball with a former afghan soldier (he's terrible). i just don't see how anyone could justify how we left that country and the fact that it was rushed so we could hit an anniversary just makes me think fuck us

Very interesting seeing the John Oliver piece on overcalculating how much water was being tyaken out of teh Colorado river and comparing the non mathematics with the amount of resources taht are going to be taken up by the children who will be forced to be born if nothing chnages here. I'm just listening to America Dissected talking about the results of last week's decision. Which is where teh idea of calculating assumed resources is coming from.
Like somebody is living in a fantasy world.
& one would hope taht if there is such a thing as a right this could not be conceived of being a thing that was something other than a mistake that somebody would be trying to disown by now.
Still hoping for some kind of saviour though I hope it is more public will being strong enough not only to overturn this but to use the opportunity to get to a more permanent more egalitarian end

good for Biden’s number of judges (seriously, pretty astounding numbers). but I’d like to see some stats on where they’ve worked (I’m going to wager a lot of DLA Piper types), who they’ve defended (probably Exxon) and their records while on the bench. I suspect those stats would show a lot of deference to the worst entities on earth.

But tbc, I’m posting from a place of ignorance so very happy to be proven wrong. I just anticipate a lot of future galaxy-brained decisions protecting the powerful and further immiserating the not, and then getting to hear about “well that was a Biden appointment so hey what can you do”

Kentaji Brown Jackson obv a notable and important exception.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2022/06/02/bidens-judicial-appointments-still-very-diverse-but-numbers-may-be-falling-off/

What happens when all the extra unwanted kids are born and take up space and aren't just a moral abstract that one can beat people around teh head with. & the overstretched finances of parents who didn't want more kids don't stretch to fit things. & the church and the supposedly moral upright don't help fund the lives they have forced into being. How many underclasses are created and where do they live and what do they eat. & how much more waste do they create.

The Afghanistan withdrawal date was negotiated with the Taliban (by Trump) and extended once by Biden. We weren’t in a position to unilaterally extend it again, by late summer we were operating at the indulgence of the Taliban.

"even to semi-rational people a candidate who receives relentless negative coverage begins to seem tarnished"

all good people in politics receive massive negative coverage. You have to maintain your values and understand that these people are good and see them as the opposite of tarnished.

That's from UK experience, anyway.

I’m confused y’all are cool with how we left Afghanistan?

There was no good way to leave that would not have resulted in the Taliban rapidly sweeping into power and much of the panic and chaos we witnessed. The Kabul government was a house of cards. Our leaving removed its only prop and it fell instantly.

You seem to think it was possible to execute a massive airlift of all the Afghanis who wanted to leave. The very fact of organizing such an operation would have been a signal that the Kabul government was doomed to fail.

I try imagining how that could have been arranged with the blessing of the Afghan government and an apparatus for evaluating whose applications for asylum met a politically acceptable set of criteria, when there would have been at least half a million rushing for the exit. My imagination fails to find a version of reality where that could have happened.

i'm sorry am i the only one who has read about how the actual evacuation went down? it was a miserable failure

the Biden admin thought the afghan govt would hold kabul for months

and yeah they had complete control of kabul and could have evaculated a lot more

great imagination, Aimless!

miserable failures really have to be priced in any time we start world copping. like what’s the bar for success? Libya?

yall i am solely talking about the evacuation. i very much understand that biden had no choice but to pull the troops (which i support!), but it was a failure that fucked so many women. i'm certainly not in support of world copping

It's much easier to imagine if you eliminate from consideration all the missteps and accumulated blunders from 2002 to 2021 of which the withdrawal was the culmination.

I thought people found occupying Afghanistan deeply difficult since Europeans started trying to. & the Brits had been writing about their failure to do so throughout the 19th century and fun things like that.
So continuing to try might seen a tad Quixotic but Trump didn't make things nay easier talking openly about actual gain one could expect to take home with him.

sounds like today's testimony will be particularly damning

Very interesting seeing the John Oliver piece on overcalculating how much water was being tyaken out of teh Colorado river and comparing the non mathematics with the amount of resources taht are going to be taken up by the children who will be forced to be born if nothing chnages here.

I liked that piece because it demonstrated how absolutely insane capitalism can be, the issue on its own seems manageable but it's getting complicated by the fact that they're building fucking golf courses and resorts in the desert, it's truly maddening

Hutchinson testifying that Meadows (and Trump) informed about men armed with AR-15s etc. at the 1/6 rally and had no reaction

Spears at the end of flagpoles even!

Sharks with lasers.

lol again can't believe anyone suggesting we don't pay attention to this

the antics of the SA are merely a distraction and we should only confront Herr Hitler in the marketplace of ideas

Thanks for the link Alfred. This looks promising: Over a third of Biden’s 42 2021 appointees had some public defender experience, and almost as many had at least three years’ experience. As a proportion of all appointees, they more than doubled public defenders among Obama’s appointees, and were much more than other predecessors.

Trump physically attacking his aide in the car--did this come out before?

no

fucking crazy

Jfc

And throwing his lunch against the wall, but that would surprise no one I guess.

I like the pulling off the table cloth and making everything fall on the floor move
Very rich kid

I don't buy that Trump actually used adult people's dishes when eating.

I have to say, if this is the best response they have...

Just about everything she's saying is HEARSAY. WHO CARES!!!!! Hey Cassidy, you were chosen to be a witness just like the others were. FOR OPTICS. Some "lawyer" and "investigators" like hanging out with you. GO HOME. pic.twitter.com/6XZx4Lhlii

— G Raymond Kelly (aka Greg Kelly) (@gregkellyusa) June 28, 2022

Jurors regularly have to evaluate the credibility of witnesses and their testimony. She seemed pretty damned credible to me and was very careful to confine her testimony only to what she had seen or heard.

"I like to angrily throw food at the wall! He's a regular guy, just like us!"

in Truth Social, Trump dismisses Hutchinson as something akin to a coffee boy pic.twitter.com/D4r7x0xw3M

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 28, 2022

yea this is nuts and I think it's pretty clear that these hearings are revealing quite a bit more than just what we saw

I'm still not convinced anything important is gonna happen but it seems really clear that Trump deserves to be in jail

TBH trumps fans love this kind of violent baby tantrum shit they think it’s what real manly men do and if they don’t do this themselves in real life they wish they could.