what america thinks of what the world thinks of america

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The day he quit as PM, Tony Blair said "This is the best country in the world".

I was bemused. He presented no evidence to support this statement.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:20 (one year ago) link

Tom D: isn't that true of France, the Republic of Ireland and a lot of other places?

Yes.

Eavis Has Left the Building (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:40 (one year ago) link

My viewpoint might, to be fair, be influenced by coming from a country whose only reason for existing is "this Belgian mercenary dude got a county given to him by the king of Castille and decided he wanted it to be a kingdom instead".

Well, the UK only exists because England needed to ensure a Protestant succession to the throne and to bail out Scottish aristocrats who'd pissed away their money trying to set up a colony in Panama (which was a stupid idea but was sabotaged by England anyway).

Eavis Has Left the Building (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:50 (one year ago) link

... when I say bail out what I mean, of course, is bribe.

Eavis Has Left the Building (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:50 (one year ago) link

Every country thinks it’s exceptional, it’s just the powerful ones tend to want the others to share in their self image.

29 facepalms, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:31 (one year ago) link

Also, if you set your country up last week I’m interested in hearing about your founding principles but if you’ve been around for centuries what matters is your track record and any special pleading about the loftiness of your unachieved ambition is gaslighting.

29 facepalms, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:35 (one year ago) link

FWIW this looks a fair example of what I was talking about:

I’M NOT YET READY TO ABANDON THE POSSIBILITY OF AMERICA

What I can say for certain is that I’m not yet ready to abandon the possibility of America—not just for the sake of future generations of Americans but for all of humankind. I’m convinced that the pandemic we’re currently living through is both a manifestation of and a mere interruption in the relentless march toward an interconnected world, one in which peoples and cultures can’t help but collide. In that world—of global supply chains, instantaneous capital transfers, social media, transnational terrorist networks, climate change, mass migration, and ever-increasing complexity—we will learn to live together, cooperate with one another, and recognize the dignity of others, or we will perish. And so the world watches America—the only great power in history made up of people from every corner of the planet, comprising every race and faith and cultural practice—to see if our experiment in democracy can work. To see if we can do what no other nation has ever done. To see if we can actually live up to the meaning of our creed.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/barack-obama-i-still-believe-america/617073/

the pinefox, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:30 (one year ago) link


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